That was always one of my problems with Moyes.

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Mine was that he went defensive every time I saw Everton take the lead in their derby games.

I didn't want that kind of thinking at United.

I do like the look of Prandelli and Simeone but they haven't won much between them have they? That was always one of my problems with Moyes.
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From what I've seen of them, especially the former in the Euro's, they both look very astute managers.

How Prandelli dismissed Germany in that semi-final was a joy to watch.

Now for every Moyes so far there's a Conte at Juventus and other examples going further back.

Besides hasn't the Atletico manager already won a few cups?

You 2 probably know far more about Simeone as a manager than I do.

I just picture the dirty little f-cker on the pitch. He does look and dress like someone who could 'whack' someone if he felt like it.

That's true, 1982.

I guess the problem is that we have extremely high standards for what we deem enough for United manager.

Trophies, of course, being one of the biggest things they'd need on their cv, you'd imagine, but when you actually look at the managers available that would be deemed good enough for United, there aren't actually that many that have won lots of trophies.

Mourinho, Pep, Ancelotti and Capello are probably the best qualified in the trophy department but not really available anyway, and I wouldn't want Capello.

I guess if a manager can win trophies in Spain and isn't managing Real or Barca then he must be doing something special.

Still no decent argument from the people that don't rate Klopp

Maybe City fans don't want to believe you can get to the CL final with a team costing only £35m

Can you imagine what Klopp would do to our group of players? Kagawa, Mata and Januzaj in the midfield.

"Maybe City fans don't want to believe you can get to the CL final with a team costing only £35m "

To be fair, no English club could do that.

Melts

Forest?

City can't get to the CL final with a team costing £350m.

City can't get to the CL final with a team costing £350m.
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Wonder how much Real Madrid have chucked at it since their last final appearance?

Bears thinking about I suppose.

Real Madrid's relationship to the Champions League is more neurotic than Gollum's in Lord of the Rings.

Yeah it must be a ridiculous amount.

Surely the country has nothing to do with it. It's just whether a manager can get the players together good enough to perform through a combination of great management and luck.

It's 99.99999% not going to happen, but it's not impossible, just highly unlikely.

I think the country is relevant. As it needs to consider the economic framework of that league as well as the club's standing in the league compared to other sides.

Dortmund are the second biggest club in Germany and just needed rebuilding. They were able to sign up some of the best players in Germany for reasonable fees as a result of their standing as well as the teams above them, bar Bayern, not being on a level financially or on the pitch for them to compete with them.

Atletico are doing a similar job in Spain, yet they've spent a lot more than Dortmund did, it's just nowhere near as much as Barca and Madrid, and due to that, depending on how well they do this season, their achievements could be even more impressive than Dortmund's have been.

It could probably be done in Italy, I just doubt it could in England given how many rich clubs there are in the league.

Agreed VC, I meant nowadays. The youth setup and general set up in Germany enables a team like Dortmund to succeed easier than they would in England.

se85,
I pray we get him in the summer and he brings gundogan with him

melton, yeah that's another point worth considering.

That doesn't mean Klopp can't be a success in the prem, I think he can, specifically at United or Arsenal.

But doing what he did at Dortmund would be almost impossible in the prem.

And I don't think there's really a situation in the prem that would be comparable, the variables are completely different.

Thinking about it, how much would Francis cost forest nowadays? Considering it was the record fee at the time (I think, I'm trusting my memory here!), he'd probably be around 35 million just for him!

We (liverpool fc) were linked with Klopp to succeed Kenny.

This are the quotes then. ‘But I have a contract with Dortmund until 2016 and am going nowhere. I love it here and have no intention of changing clubs.’

If you appoint him you will get the best out of Mata, Januzaj and Kagawa.

Darren

But hypothetically why couldn't a club in England buy the same players Klopp has at Dortmund, it's not as if they were all players that were massively in demand and would have gone to a PL rival for big bucks? Surely their success was based on shrewd signings, great management and a very good youth set up. 2 of those 3 elements can be replicated in other countries.

Because down to the PL clubs being richer in the prem it's likely that the players signed by Dortmund would have cost a lot more had a PL club signed them.

And as I said, there's also the situation with it being Dortmund.

Liverpool could perhaps be seen as a comparison in terms of their situation in this league, but then in England there is also City, Chelsea, United, Arsenal and Spurs that were either just in a lot better shape on the pitch or financially stronger - the same cannot be said of the teams above Dortmund in Germany.

Personally I just find it unlikely to be able to do in England, primarily down to English football being completely different from German football.

What Juve did in Serie A is similar to Dortmund, albeit not getting to the CL final, but even then it's not because Juve are the biggest club in Italy and there's no super power like Bayern there.

Darren

But melton's point was not about domestic success, it was just reaching a CL final. Like I said it is 99.999999% unlikely but I don't think it's impossible.

Also I thought Lewandowski could have been sold to Blackburn for the same price he went to Dortmund?

Well then we'd have to agree to disagree.

It'd take a PL team more money than Dortmund spent to go from 13th to even get into the CL let alone being able to build on that and get to the final.

The situation they were in in German football allowed for that to happen, there's not a comparable situation in the pl, and why it wouldn't happen.

Yeah that may be. But would Gundogan and Reus cost a PL side the same amount that they did Dortmund? I'm not so sure.

But I just think melton's point is rather shot sighted, who knows how much football will change in the future, England's youth set up could improve, the money in the PL could drop, many factors could change.

Just seemed very short sighted to think no PL club could replicate it in the future.

It's like when people claim we'll never see players of the quality of player x again, it's such a short sighted view.