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posted on 19/5/17

comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ JeSuisPalestinian ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ (U18082)
posted 10 hours, 43 minutes ago
Bluebells do you know what the difference is between Hadiths and the Quran? You seem to be getting confused between the two. The Quran doesn't state the age a specific Hadith does. These are two separate things.
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I get they are two separate entities.

My question referred to the qoran being your guide and source of knowledge, and as I state over and over, man's interpretation differs so all religious texts are open to misunderstanding or distortion.
I simply asked if the qoran gave the age and details of the bride of Mohammad, as that would be relevant, surely.
If the qoran does not give such information, fair enough.

posted on 19/5/17

comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ JeSuisPalestinian ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ (U18082)
posted 10 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Kung fu

Genuine question.

Who is out to get Muslims, Islam and the qoran?

Who is behind this Holy War?
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Im not quite sure how you can ask me that question when there is a genocide in Burma as week speak and members of the Israeli Knesset call for the death of Muslims daily without getting punished.

This isn't fantasy this is fact.

I believe our government and America are cleaverer though, I don't think they care either way about Islam.

They do use it as a tool though.

Bluebells genuine question, why do you ignore overwhelming evidence from non Muslim political scientists who have data to refute pretty much all of your claims. Why do you ignore the words of Muslims not blowing up people when they give you irrefutable evidence from Islamic sources which prove without a doubt that no interpretation of the Quran can urge a Muslim to commit suicide whilst simultaneously taking the life of another person?
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I have done threads highlighting the Rahinja Muslim plight in Burma, bud!
I saw how the army and leaders in Burma were treating the Muslim minority, and I posted about it a few months ago.
I am not against Islam, the qoran or Muslim folk.

Just as I see the Rahinja Muslim suffering, so I watch christian or yazidi suffering at the hands of daesh, and I post, or if a Muslim extremist attacks innocent people in Europe.

I oppose all oppression and try to counter all bigotry and violence.

posted on 19/5/17

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posted on 19/5/17

The bible advocates slavery, animal sacrifice, putting people to death, and deems a host of normal every day activities to be ‘abominations’.

posted on 19/5/17

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 57 seconds ago
The bible advocates slavery, animal sacrifice, putting people to death, and deems a host of normal every day activities to be ‘abominations’.

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Don't see a problem with that.

posted on 19/5/17

Kung fu

To your genuine question about political scientists ....

I have Never said Islam or the qoran tells Muslim people to be suicide bombers.....never, ever would, so where you get that from, I do not know?
You may see my name, and equate what I say about daesh or Isis to that of some thick racist hating Allah, but read my posts carefully.
I am talking about the evil from daesh, AQ, Taliban, boko haram, al shabab, just as I talk about the evil from the ra, or uvf, or racist natzi types.
I have also opposed much western foreign policy in mainly Muslim lands, even though I wonder how local people would deal with Assad, Gadaffi, Saddam or the Taliban.We can debate that forever, tbh.

Please take me at my word when I state I am not saying the qoran tells Muslim men and women to blow themselves up.Seriously, that would be bonkers!

I honestly do not know where the leap comes from me slating the likes of the Taliban, to you saying I say the qoran tells people to commit suicide, by blowing themselves to pieces.
By all means debate and disagree, but do not put words in my mouth, or think you know what I am thinking, by linking me to some natzi islamophobe!

As you can also see from my posts, I actually defend people of All faith against the atheist, humanist and secularist argument, as recently as yesterday with decent poster baz...we totally disagree on faith, but bad and I simply chat, and it does not mean either of us hate Islam.

posted on 19/5/17

comment by Ollie Reeder (U10415)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 12 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 55 seconds ago
I know that blue. But you cannot possibly convince me that it's not an outdated notion, that served its purpose in helping (and destroying) civilisation. We need to move on now, anyone can see it's made up nonsense.
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Haha...........mate, you could start a war here๐Ÿ˜

I was atheist for many years, then born again in my late teens.Not into church much in the past, but from teens on, I always believed in God, and prayed.
Like Kung fu, I went through a party booze time, but stopped that too in 2009.
I have found spiritual calm and peace in God, and attend a country church in the middle of Antrim hills,,where I feel at ease.
I am not Into fundamentalist protestantism anymore, but rather a liberal to!erant christian faith, focusing on love and respect.
Being human, I am often caught between good and bad, doing the right thing, or sinning, but I try to live a good life.
Believe me, without faith in God, evil would have happened.
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Who would have created or carried out this evil?
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I was involved in loyalist politics during the troubles here, and when those close to me were murdered,,and I let hate and bigotry into my head, I was really angry and thought of taking militant action.
However, my faith stopped me, as I felt taking life was wrong, so I could not join or support those using terror to terrorize the republican movement and ra in particular.
So, it would have been me alone responsible to my evil, but God made me think again, thankfully.
When your mate's dad, and men you have sat beside in meetings are shot dead, the red mist can descend๐Ÿ˜ 

posted on 19/5/17

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 16 minutes ago
The bible advocates slavery, animal sacrifice, putting people to death, and deems a host of normal every day activities to be ‘abominations’.


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Yea, that is why I lean towards a God of love and try to keep it simple, having a personal faith, rather than taking the bible, Koran, or Torah as 100 per cent perfect.
This is why I tend to disagree with kung fu, the Free P types and evangelical right in America, along with much RC church doctrine, where the catholic church claims to be the one true church.That is why I have issues with my Ye must be born again protestant friends, andi am born again......I do not believe my non born again wife or daughter are going to hell!
Do you have any qoran quotes available wwspd, to highlight your views in that regard?

posted on 19/5/17

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 22 minutes ago
The bible advocates slavery, animal sacrifice, putting people to death, and deems a host of normal every day activities to be ‘abominations’.


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Old testament right......would you agree Christianity has moved on?

posted on 19/5/17

comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 57 seconds ago
The bible advocates slavery, animal sacrifice, putting people to death, and deems a host of normal every day activities to be ‘abominations’.

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Don't see a problem with that.
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Bloody liberals, eh๐Ÿ˜

posted on 19/5/17

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posted on 19/5/17

‘moved on’

Yes, and no. There are obviously still elements of the church that are stuck in the dark ages, and I abhor the vast wealth tied up in the church. Especially the Vatican. And it’s attempts to cover up decades of child abuse. But there are some that are more progressive.

Will actually be in a church tomorrow for the first time in years. Hopefully I don’t catch fire!

posted on 19/5/17

comment by Ollie Reeder (U10415)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 22 minutes ago
The bible advocates slavery, animal sacrifice, putting people to death, and deems a host of normal every day activities to be ‘abominations’.


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Old testament right......would you agree Christianity has moved on?
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As in....let's not look at that old evil book that is really quite f*cked up and instead spread the word of Jesus in the NT who actually appeared nice, and caring and open to help the 'lesser' or weaker people of the world ....whilst we do nothing of the sort..

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Oh so cynical.....what would Corbyn say?

posted on 19/5/17

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posted on 19/5/17

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 16 minutes ago
‘moved on’

Yes, and no. There are obviously still elements of the church that are stuck in the dark ages, and I abhor the vast wealth tied up in the church. Especially the Vatican. And it’s attempts to cover up decades of child abuse. But there are some that are more progressive.

Will actually be in a church tomorrow for the first time in years. Hopefully I don’t catch fire!
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Haha.....all the best for tomorrow, as I went through that stage of only being in church and chapel for weddings and funerals.
I never liked organised religion, authority, organised anything really, and skipped church from 1984 to 2012.
Only went back after a mates mum was buried from a wee country church in Ralloo, and it felt right.Tiny ageing congregation, but I like it there, and the drive or bike run up the hill๐Ÿ˜

The wealth of churches stinks, and if Jesus was around, tables would be turned over in anger.

We kinda miss or ignore the follow christ message, with all the pomp, hats, suits, self importantance and money gathering.

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posted on 19/5/17

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 11 hours, 31 minutes ago
The official death count for the Inquisition was actually quite low. Much of the stories regarding the Inquisition was fabricated by Protestant leaders centuries later in order to vilify the Catholic church.
This sort of propaganda was common during the time.
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Oh aye, blame us prods๐Ÿ˜
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Not blaming Protestants as individuals but it was common at the time that Protestant reformists would attempt to slander the Catholic Church by fabricating stories about them. The obvious example is the now infamous “flat earth theory”.
I'm not suggesting that the Church didn't have problems, but more that whatever problems it had were exaggerated centuries later (and still believed today).

posted on 19/5/17

comment by Zachsda(stealing sausages since 1978) (U1850)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ollie Reeder (U10415)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 22 minutes ago
The bible advocates slavery, animal sacrifice, putting people to death, and deems a host of normal every day activities to be ‘abominations’.


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Old testament right......would you agree Christianity has moved on?
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As in....let's not look at that old evil book that is really quite f*cked up and instead spread the word of Jesus in the NT who actually appeared nice, and caring and open to help the 'lesser' or weaker people of the world ....whilst we do nothing of the sort..

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Oh so cynical.....what would Corbyn say?
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He probably wouldn't debate it
I'm not religious and have no great issues other than when I'm told I'm going to hell or the rapture is coming etc
Be religious and enjoy it just give me peace to be happy as an atheist
To paraphrase the lyrics of a Sting song
"Athiests" love their children too"
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I give you peace ma son๐Ÿ˜‡

And as Dave Allen said, Thank God am an atheist๐Ÿ˜‰

posted on 19/5/17

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 11 hours, 31 minutes ago
The official death count for the Inquisition was actually quite low. Much of the stories regarding the Inquisition was fabricated by Protestant leaders centuries later in order to vilify the Catholic church.
This sort of propaganda was common during the time.
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Oh aye, blame us prods๐Ÿ˜
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Not blaming Protestants as individuals but it was common at the time that Protestant reformists would attempt to slander the Catholic Church by fabricating stories about them. The obvious example is the now infamous “flat earth theory”.
I'm not suggesting that the Church didn't have problems, but more that whatever problems it had were exaggerated centuries later (and still believed today).
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Of course reformed and roman churches spin tales about "black protestanrism" and popery.

Everyone does it, and we know history and political or religious history is written objectively, not subjectively.

I blame the pope.

posted on 19/5/17

Kung fu

My earlier question on who was at war with the qoran and Islam referred more to the west, and by war I meant who was against Islam or the qoran on here, or in general?

I did not know Israeli political figures literally called for the murder of Muslim people, as you claim, and I have addressed the Burma Muslim shame, and highlighted my support for Muslim victims.

My query was really in relation to how you perceive those around you being hostile to you and Islam, as this is a tolerant society, not seeking to ban mosque building, Islamic schools, or lump the word Muslim with terrorist.Of course, some natzi types do, but frankly, human kind throws out all sorts of twisted souls and minds, and IMO, very, very few people in the west hate all Muslim people, hate Allah, the qoran or blame Muslim folk for the actions of extremists.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but sometimes people see offence and it is not there, or they think they know how people feel, based on stereotyping, which is the preserve of No side!

I can hate Isis and love Muslim people as children of God....or just as individual human beings.

For me, hating based on faith, colour or creed is a sign of madness, and usually reflects a deeply unhappy, poorly adjusted loser.

posted on 19/5/17

Gotta say, Tbab. You clearly got out of bed on the right side today.

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posted on 19/5/17

Trump is on his way to the Middle East to get on his knees and suck off the Saudi Royal family so they can buy 100bn worth of weapons.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jared-kushner-masterminds-110bn-saudi-arabia-weapons-deal-lockheed-martin-marilyn-hewson-trump-white-a7744001.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Absolulty hilarious.

posted on 19/5/17

comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ JeSuisPalestinian ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ (U18082)
posted 28 seconds ago
Trump is on his way to the Middle East to get on his knees and suck off the Saudi Royal family so they can buy 100bn worth of weapons.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jared-kushner-masterminds-110bn-saudi-arabia-weapons-deal-lockheed-martin-marilyn-hewson-trump-white-a7744001.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Absolulty hilarious.


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You really couldn't make it up as far as that utter buffoon is concerned. I'll be amazed if he makes the full term.

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