Apparently it's three players, Morgan, Vardy and Drinkwater and if that's true then drop them all to the youth team and get them as far away from the changing rooms as possible. We don't need bad eggs and none of them deserve their places so if they are the issue then Ranieri needs to develop Pearson's ruthless streak and show them who the boss is. No way he would have put up with this behaviour from his players.
If he has lost the dressing room then it is the players who need to go not ranieri. 200%. Any player that can turn on a manager that has done as much for them as ranieri is not just a shiiitty player with a bad attitude but a shiiitty human being in general.
comment by Champions of England (U21032)
posted 13 minutes ago
Apparently it's three players, Morgan, Vardy and Drinkwater and if that's true then drop them all to the youth team and get them as far away from the changing rooms as possible. We don't need bad eggs and none of them deserve their places so if they are the issue then Ranieri needs to develop Pearson's ruthless streak and show them who the boss is. No way he would have put up with this behaviour from his players.
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Do you mean these 3 Senior players, the backbone of the team have found their voice to question his Season long questionable tactics, his terrible substitutions and apparent attempt of taking us down.
Yeah that's right we don't need bad eggs like Vardy who has got us promoted and won us the title with a record breaking goal streak.
Let's back a manager who has been sacked everywhere he's ever been and has fallen out with both players and staff alike in the process
And Coe is talking shiiiiit as usual anyway
After hearing CR interviews on the way back from the game last night it reminded me very much of the interview Jose gave after the Chelsea game against us last season
Admitting he had tried things and nothing was seeming to work, to get the players working as a unit again and getting that team ethic back. And we all know what happened to Jose after that!!!
I am still firmly behind CR as I always will be while he is our manager, but its evident that whatever he tries is just not having the desired effect. Whether that is down to him or the players or unrest, confidence, desire etc or all of the above I don't care.
They ALL just need to get it sorted and sorted now.
The result was always on the cards yesterday, the game just had that inevitability about it, creating chances but not a hope in hell of scoring, Wague going off after looking ok on his debut, Zieler scaring the you know what out of us at times etc.
CofE
I had heard rumblings about Vardy and Drinky but not Morgan, but don't confuse opinions and frustration with dressing room rebellion.
BS
If you don't agree with someone that's fine, I don't agree with a lot of what you post but to say someone is talking shiiiiiittt is unwarranted. Its CofE opinion that's all.
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comment by DillyDingDillyDong (U13248)
posted 29 minutes ago
After hearing CR interviews on the way back from the game last night it reminded me very much of the interview Jose gave after the Chelsea game against us last season
Admitting he had tried things and nothing was seeming to work, to get the players working as a unit again and getting that team ethic back. And we all know what happened to Jose after that!!!
I am still firmly behind CR as I always will be while he is our manager, but its evident that whatever he tries is just not having the desired effect. Whether that is down to him or the players or unrest, confidence, desire etc or all of the above I don't care.
They ALL just need to get it sorted and sorted now.
The result was always on the cards yesterday, the game just had that inevitability about it, creating chances but not a hope in hell of scoring, Wague going off after looking ok on his debut, Zieler scaring the you know what out of us at times etc.
CofE
I had heard rumblings about Vardy and Drinky but not Morgan, but don't confuse opinions and frustration with dressing room rebellion.
BS
If you don't agree with someone that's fine, I don't agree with a lot of what you post but to say someone is talking shiiiiiittt is unwarranted. Its CofE opinion that's all.
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Cheers but it's not even my opinion, it's something I was told and I did make that clear. I don't know what to believe but I wouldn't keep players who are disrupting the rest of the squad and I don't care who they are.
Morgan surprises me too and I don't get why he would have a problem. I don't get why Vardy would either though because he's played every game he's been available, he's not performed and Ranieri still backs him.
I did mention that "apparently" Drinky has an issue with Slimani but I was also told there are problems with the new and old players and the squad harmony has changed. If this is the case then we've got serious problems that won't be improved by changing manager, players have to go simple as that and we can't be sentiment about the past because they're ruining the future.
comment by DillyDingDillyDong (U13248)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
After hearing CR interviews on the way back from the game last night it reminded me very much of the interview Jose gave after the Chelsea game against us last season
Admitting he had tried things and nothing was seeming to work, to get the players working as a unit again and getting that team ethic back. And we all know what happened to Jose after that!!!
I am still firmly behind CR as I always will be while he is our manager, but its evident that whatever he tries is just not having the desired effect. Whether that is down to him or the players or unrest, confidence, desire etc or all of the above I don't care.
They ALL just need to get it sorted and sorted now.
The result was always on the cards yesterday, the game just had that inevitability about it, creating chances but not a hope in hell of scoring, Wague going off after looking ok on his debut, Zieler scaring the you know what out of us at times etc.
CofE
I had heard rumblings about Vardy and Drinky but not Morgan, but don't confuse opinions and frustration with dressing room rebellion.
BS
If you don't agree with someone that's fine, I don't agree with a lot of what you post but to say someone is talking shiiiiiittt is unwarranted. Its CofE opinion that's all.
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He is talking shiiiiit
It's not about opinions, CofE (Arro) is naming players as bad eggs within the dressing room without a shred of evidence to back it up. It's not even coming from any sources within the club or media reports. He's making it up. It's not an opinion - surely you can see the difference between unsubstantiated allegations and someone's opinion
Or did you just read my post and not his?
"Cheers but it's not even my opinion, it's something I was told and I did make that clear."
Classic Arro. How can anyone not think CofE is arro is beyond me
I have no idea BS of CofE antecedents but please remember that a football club is like a sieve regarding "news".
A visit to the Academy matches on a Sunday in Belvoir never fails to produce rumours and "facts". So whoever he is may well have been told by someone on the inside.Only he knows.
One thing is clear -there are stories of unrest -not limited to players either. As a Roman I would remind Ranieri of a famous playwrights words "Et tu Brute"
I will translate "Watch your back me duck"
Was that also Shakespeare Nev ?.... the playwright of course.......
comment by johngee (U5021)
posted 23 minutes ago
I have no idea BS of CofE antecedents but please remember that a football club is like a sieve regarding "news".
A visit to the Academy matches on a Sunday in Belvoir never fails to produce rumours and "facts". So whoever he is may well have been told by someone on the inside.Only he knows.
One thing is clear -there are stories of unrest -not limited to players either. As a Roman I would remind Ranieri of a famous playwrights words "Et tu Brute"
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I heard it from a friend who works with Rudkin's cousin, that's all I know. I don't have any inside info, it's just what I was told by someone who also doesn't have any inside info. Is this guy really Rudkin's cousin? Did Rudkin really tell him that? I don't know that either so it could be true or it could be a load of bull.
No doubt John that there are issues behind the scenes. No doubt at all and I was one of the first on here to share what I was reading from reliable journos like John Percy who have solid sources within the club
But Arro on the other hand has no solid information of any kind and is naming certain players as guilty parties with no evidence to support
'I heard it from a friend who works with Rudkin's cousin, that's all I know.'
Was this the same person who told you the stadium expansion was definitely happening?
Give over Arro you've been found out
Fans will leap on this kind of info and use it to back up their own agendas and we all have one let's be brutally honest. We all have our opinions as to where we think the problem lies. No one is completely objective on here
What I will say is that there is previous of Ranieri falling out with both players and backroom staff. Whether posters choose to take this info on board or not, it's in their, in print and testified to by former players who have played under Ranieri
Now it's not Ranieris fault solely - but I don't believe he has helped this situation
The Truth about Greece is the players went on strike with the Greek football association and CR did not stand a chance.
As for Chelsea the team the CR built went on to win the Premier League the next season a NP situation
I'm not talking about Greece or Chelsea at all Nev. that's not where his track record of falling out with high profile players and backroom staff comes from
BS you list both clubs in your list of his failures
I do nev yes, but once again that's nothing to do with falling out with players and backroom staff. You're making that association not me
His track record for isolating back room staff and having rows with players comes from his time in Italy and is well documented
It seems to me BS that you are almost derisively critical of those posts that differ in opinion from your own -and at the same time doubting their credulity.
Whereas you seem to scour any number of sources or postings or rumours to support your own position and suggest this makes them gospel.
Of course in a career which spans the biggest of clubs in Italy,Spain, France and UK it may be anticipated that somewhere along the line he has upset a player or two. Although his reputation is more one of appeasement than altercation.
Nothing like managers however like Ferguson, Mourhino, Conte Koeman etc who really know how to deal with recalcitrant players.
Current rumours circulating as listed above for instance refer to a caucus of players and others within the club creating discontent and my criticism of Ranieri is that he has shown too much sympathy and tolerance to players not performing week after week and should have been more ruthless in his manager role.
If there is any credence to this internal insurrection at a critical time -all concerned should be drummed out of the club without any delay
comment by johngee (U5021)
posted 2 minutes ago
It seems to me BS that you are almost derisively critical of those posts that differ in opinion from your own -and at the same time doubting their credulity.
Whereas you seem to scour any number of sources or postings or rumours to support your own position and suggest this makes them gospel.
Of course in a career which spans the biggest of clubs in Italy,Spain, France and UK it may be anticipated that somewhere along the line he has upset a player or two. Although his reputation is more one of appeasement than altercation.
Nothing like managers however like Ferguson, Mourhino, Conte Koeman etc who really know how to deal with recalcitrant players.
Current rumours circulating as listed above for instance refer to a caucus of players and others within the club creating discontent and my criticism of Ranieri is that he has shown too much sympathy and tolerance to players not performing week after week and should have been more ruthless in his manager role.
If there is any credence to this internal insurrection at a critical time -all concerned should be drummed out of the club without any delay
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No what I'm critical of is any rubbish posted by arro as you should be Jon. This is a poster who has a track record for posting unsubstantiated garbage - such as the fact that permissiom has been approved for a stadium expansion due to start this season.
On the other hand, when I posted the links about player unrest with Ranieri, it was from John Percy, a well respected journalist for the Telegraph with sources within the club. See the difference there Jon?
The internal insurrection is according to these sources, down to Ranieris own tactics and instructions. This is something seen previously at Roma and other clubs. It was Totti who said of Ranieri when at Roma that the players were training with 'sad faces' while he was manager. We have well respected Italian journalists who have followed Ranieris career closely attesting to fall outs with staff within the club, similar to the widely reported strain with Shakespeare.
As I said before - all of us on this board have an opinion on where it's going wrong. You change yours pretty much every week, attempting to rope Walsh in where you can, but for me the problems are of Ranieris making currently. As I've also said however, I hold those such as Rudkin far more responsible for the position we are in
So what is the difference between your suggestion of unrest amongst player and those from Cof E which you rubbished?
If it was shown that players and or coaching staff were leaking stories to journalists should not these be held to task. Especially if they are paid to carry out the managers required program and enjoyed the fruits of those last season.
It seems to me that Ranieri continues to avoid confrontation with these people and will no doubt pay the appropriate price - but they should be rooted out also
Many people have sources "within the club" but not everything they hear is true - of course
JG. Wholeheartedly agree. Sounds like we're missing a manager who will get hold of the dressing room and weed out the bad apples.
Someone like Pearson 😉
Jon are you seriously asking what the difference is between a newspaper article written by John Percy and the stuff Arro is spewing? You do know that CofE is Arro don't you or have you not been told??
Sources leaking information to the papers are of concern and should be dealt with but there is a trail of written information about Ranieri, most of it not positive, that goes back years
Don't believe for a second that CR is the same way off camera that he is on camera. He's a totally different person in the dressing room to the gentleman in front of the media as attested to countless times by people working for him
But if you prefer to use information provided via Arro as your barometer by all means be my guest
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posted on 19/2/17
Apparently it's three players, Morgan, Vardy and Drinkwater and if that's true then drop them all to the youth team and get them as far away from the changing rooms as possible. We don't need bad eggs and none of them deserve their places so if they are the issue then Ranieri needs to develop Pearson's ruthless streak and show them who the boss is. No way he would have put up with this behaviour from his players.
posted on 19/2/17
If he has lost the dressing room then it is the players who need to go not ranieri. 200%. Any player that can turn on a manager that has done as much for them as ranieri is not just a shiiitty player with a bad attitude but a shiiitty human being in general.
posted on 19/2/17
comment by Champions of England (U21032)
posted 13 minutes ago
Apparently it's three players, Morgan, Vardy and Drinkwater and if that's true then drop them all to the youth team and get them as far away from the changing rooms as possible. We don't need bad eggs and none of them deserve their places so if they are the issue then Ranieri needs to develop Pearson's ruthless streak and show them who the boss is. No way he would have put up with this behaviour from his players.
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Do you mean these 3 Senior players, the backbone of the team have found their voice to question his Season long questionable tactics, his terrible substitutions and apparent attempt of taking us down.
posted on 19/2/17
Yeah that's right we don't need bad eggs like Vardy who has got us promoted and won us the title with a record breaking goal streak.
Let's back a manager who has been sacked everywhere he's ever been and has fallen out with both players and staff alike in the process
posted on 19/2/17
And Coe is talking shiiiiit as usual anyway
posted on 19/2/17
After hearing CR interviews on the way back from the game last night it reminded me very much of the interview Jose gave after the Chelsea game against us last season
Admitting he had tried things and nothing was seeming to work, to get the players working as a unit again and getting that team ethic back. And we all know what happened to Jose after that!!!
I am still firmly behind CR as I always will be while he is our manager, but its evident that whatever he tries is just not having the desired effect. Whether that is down to him or the players or unrest, confidence, desire etc or all of the above I don't care.
They ALL just need to get it sorted and sorted now.
The result was always on the cards yesterday, the game just had that inevitability about it, creating chances but not a hope in hell of scoring, Wague going off after looking ok on his debut, Zieler scaring the you know what out of us at times etc.
CofE
I had heard rumblings about Vardy and Drinky but not Morgan, but don't confuse opinions and frustration with dressing room rebellion.
BS
If you don't agree with someone that's fine, I don't agree with a lot of what you post but to say someone is talking shiiiiiittt is unwarranted. Its CofE opinion that's all.
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posted on 19/2/17
comment by DillyDingDillyDong (U13248)
posted 29 minutes ago
After hearing CR interviews on the way back from the game last night it reminded me very much of the interview Jose gave after the Chelsea game against us last season
Admitting he had tried things and nothing was seeming to work, to get the players working as a unit again and getting that team ethic back. And we all know what happened to Jose after that!!!
I am still firmly behind CR as I always will be while he is our manager, but its evident that whatever he tries is just not having the desired effect. Whether that is down to him or the players or unrest, confidence, desire etc or all of the above I don't care.
They ALL just need to get it sorted and sorted now.
The result was always on the cards yesterday, the game just had that inevitability about it, creating chances but not a hope in hell of scoring, Wague going off after looking ok on his debut, Zieler scaring the you know what out of us at times etc.
CofE
I had heard rumblings about Vardy and Drinky but not Morgan, but don't confuse opinions and frustration with dressing room rebellion.
BS
If you don't agree with someone that's fine, I don't agree with a lot of what you post but to say someone is talking shiiiiiittt is unwarranted. Its CofE opinion that's all.
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Cheers but it's not even my opinion, it's something I was told and I did make that clear. I don't know what to believe but I wouldn't keep players who are disrupting the rest of the squad and I don't care who they are.
Morgan surprises me too and I don't get why he would have a problem. I don't get why Vardy would either though because he's played every game he's been available, he's not performed and Ranieri still backs him.
I did mention that "apparently" Drinky has an issue with Slimani but I was also told there are problems with the new and old players and the squad harmony has changed. If this is the case then we've got serious problems that won't be improved by changing manager, players have to go simple as that and we can't be sentiment about the past because they're ruining the future.
posted on 19/2/17
comment by DillyDingDillyDong (U13248)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
After hearing CR interviews on the way back from the game last night it reminded me very much of the interview Jose gave after the Chelsea game against us last season
Admitting he had tried things and nothing was seeming to work, to get the players working as a unit again and getting that team ethic back. And we all know what happened to Jose after that!!!
I am still firmly behind CR as I always will be while he is our manager, but its evident that whatever he tries is just not having the desired effect. Whether that is down to him or the players or unrest, confidence, desire etc or all of the above I don't care.
They ALL just need to get it sorted and sorted now.
The result was always on the cards yesterday, the game just had that inevitability about it, creating chances but not a hope in hell of scoring, Wague going off after looking ok on his debut, Zieler scaring the you know what out of us at times etc.
CofE
I had heard rumblings about Vardy and Drinky but not Morgan, but don't confuse opinions and frustration with dressing room rebellion.
BS
If you don't agree with someone that's fine, I don't agree with a lot of what you post but to say someone is talking shiiiiiittt is unwarranted. Its CofE opinion that's all.
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He is talking shiiiiit
It's not about opinions, CofE (Arro) is naming players as bad eggs within the dressing room without a shred of evidence to back it up. It's not even coming from any sources within the club or media reports. He's making it up. It's not an opinion - surely you can see the difference between unsubstantiated allegations and someone's opinion
Or did you just read my post and not his?
posted on 19/2/17
"Cheers but it's not even my opinion, it's something I was told and I did make that clear."
Classic Arro. How can anyone not think CofE is arro is beyond me
posted on 19/2/17
I have no idea BS of CofE antecedents but please remember that a football club is like a sieve regarding "news".
A visit to the Academy matches on a Sunday in Belvoir never fails to produce rumours and "facts". So whoever he is may well have been told by someone on the inside.Only he knows.
One thing is clear -there are stories of unrest -not limited to players either. As a Roman I would remind Ranieri of a famous playwrights words "Et tu Brute"
posted on 19/2/17
I will translate "Watch your back me duck"
posted on 19/2/17
Was that also Shakespeare Nev ?.... the playwright of course.......
posted on 19/2/17
comment by johngee (U5021)
posted 23 minutes ago
I have no idea BS of CofE antecedents but please remember that a football club is like a sieve regarding "news".
A visit to the Academy matches on a Sunday in Belvoir never fails to produce rumours and "facts". So whoever he is may well have been told by someone on the inside.Only he knows.
One thing is clear -there are stories of unrest -not limited to players either. As a Roman I would remind Ranieri of a famous playwrights words "Et tu Brute"
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I heard it from a friend who works with Rudkin's cousin, that's all I know. I don't have any inside info, it's just what I was told by someone who also doesn't have any inside info. Is this guy really Rudkin's cousin? Did Rudkin really tell him that? I don't know that either so it could be true or it could be a load of bull.
posted on 19/2/17
No doubt John that there are issues behind the scenes. No doubt at all and I was one of the first on here to share what I was reading from reliable journos like John Percy who have solid sources within the club
But Arro on the other hand has no solid information of any kind and is naming certain players as guilty parties with no evidence to support
posted on 19/2/17
'I heard it from a friend who works with Rudkin's cousin, that's all I know.'
Was this the same person who told you the stadium expansion was definitely happening?
Give over Arro you've been found out
posted on 19/2/17
Fans will leap on this kind of info and use it to back up their own agendas and we all have one let's be brutally honest. We all have our opinions as to where we think the problem lies. No one is completely objective on here
What I will say is that there is previous of Ranieri falling out with both players and backroom staff. Whether posters choose to take this info on board or not, it's in their, in print and testified to by former players who have played under Ranieri
Now it's not Ranieris fault solely - but I don't believe he has helped this situation
posted on 19/2/17
The Truth about Greece is the players went on strike with the Greek football association and CR did not stand a chance.
As for Chelsea the team the CR built went on to win the Premier League the next season a NP situation
posted on 19/2/17
I'm not talking about Greece or Chelsea at all Nev. that's not where his track record of falling out with high profile players and backroom staff comes from
posted on 19/2/17
BS you list both clubs in your list of his failures
posted on 19/2/17
I do nev yes, but once again that's nothing to do with falling out with players and backroom staff. You're making that association not me
His track record for isolating back room staff and having rows with players comes from his time in Italy and is well documented
posted on 19/2/17
It seems to me BS that you are almost derisively critical of those posts that differ in opinion from your own -and at the same time doubting their credulity.
Whereas you seem to scour any number of sources or postings or rumours to support your own position and suggest this makes them gospel.
Of course in a career which spans the biggest of clubs in Italy,Spain, France and UK it may be anticipated that somewhere along the line he has upset a player or two. Although his reputation is more one of appeasement than altercation.
Nothing like managers however like Ferguson, Mourhino, Conte Koeman etc who really know how to deal with recalcitrant players.
Current rumours circulating as listed above for instance refer to a caucus of players and others within the club creating discontent and my criticism of Ranieri is that he has shown too much sympathy and tolerance to players not performing week after week and should have been more ruthless in his manager role.
If there is any credence to this internal insurrection at a critical time -all concerned should be drummed out of the club without any delay
posted on 19/2/17
comment by johngee (U5021)
posted 2 minutes ago
It seems to me BS that you are almost derisively critical of those posts that differ in opinion from your own -and at the same time doubting their credulity.
Whereas you seem to scour any number of sources or postings or rumours to support your own position and suggest this makes them gospel.
Of course in a career which spans the biggest of clubs in Italy,Spain, France and UK it may be anticipated that somewhere along the line he has upset a player or two. Although his reputation is more one of appeasement than altercation.
Nothing like managers however like Ferguson, Mourhino, Conte Koeman etc who really know how to deal with recalcitrant players.
Current rumours circulating as listed above for instance refer to a caucus of players and others within the club creating discontent and my criticism of Ranieri is that he has shown too much sympathy and tolerance to players not performing week after week and should have been more ruthless in his manager role.
If there is any credence to this internal insurrection at a critical time -all concerned should be drummed out of the club without any delay
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No what I'm critical of is any rubbish posted by arro as you should be Jon. This is a poster who has a track record for posting unsubstantiated garbage - such as the fact that permissiom has been approved for a stadium expansion due to start this season.
On the other hand, when I posted the links about player unrest with Ranieri, it was from John Percy, a well respected journalist for the Telegraph with sources within the club. See the difference there Jon?
The internal insurrection is according to these sources, down to Ranieris own tactics and instructions. This is something seen previously at Roma and other clubs. It was Totti who said of Ranieri when at Roma that the players were training with 'sad faces' while he was manager. We have well respected Italian journalists who have followed Ranieris career closely attesting to fall outs with staff within the club, similar to the widely reported strain with Shakespeare.
As I said before - all of us on this board have an opinion on where it's going wrong. You change yours pretty much every week, attempting to rope Walsh in where you can, but for me the problems are of Ranieris making currently. As I've also said however, I hold those such as Rudkin far more responsible for the position we are in
posted on 19/2/17
So what is the difference between your suggestion of unrest amongst player and those from Cof E which you rubbished?
If it was shown that players and or coaching staff were leaking stories to journalists should not these be held to task. Especially if they are paid to carry out the managers required program and enjoyed the fruits of those last season.
It seems to me that Ranieri continues to avoid confrontation with these people and will no doubt pay the appropriate price - but they should be rooted out also
Many people have sources "within the club" but not everything they hear is true - of course
posted on 19/2/17
JG. Wholeheartedly agree. Sounds like we're missing a manager who will get hold of the dressing room and weed out the bad apples.
Someone like Pearson 😉
posted on 19/2/17
Jon are you seriously asking what the difference is between a newspaper article written by John Percy and the stuff Arro is spewing? You do know that CofE is Arro don't you or have you not been told??
Sources leaking information to the papers are of concern and should be dealt with but there is a trail of written information about Ranieri, most of it not positive, that goes back years
Don't believe for a second that CR is the same way off camera that he is on camera. He's a totally different person in the dressing room to the gentleman in front of the media as attested to countless times by people working for him
But if you prefer to use information provided via Arro as your barometer by all means be my guest
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