The survey was conducted on a random sample of 1,081 British Muslims aged 18 and over.

No other info about that survey.

Why do people fall for this nonsense?

Hippo

I know the Muslim communities did warn about the Manchester bombing but the police and these communities need to work together to regain trust and alert those who are willing to do harm, lots of recruiters have returned to radicalise others which for me is equally as dangerous.

Work needs to be done today to resolve this.

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 49 minutes ago
The arms that we sell aren't being used against us. We are not fighting Saudi Arabia are we?

I'd like to know what Saudi Arabia are funding that causes the violence. Is there confusion between what Saudi is funding and what certain Saudi factions are supporting? Is it direct government funding or is it more like an IRAy situation? E.g. Not Ireland doing the violence.
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Both the Qatari and Saudi administrations have directly funded and provided arms to the Army of Conquest, a command structure for jihadist groups in Syria that includes the Wahhabi Al-Nusra Front (al-Qaeda in Syria).

They have been for decades and will continue to fund violent jihadist and terrorist organisations in support of the principles of Wahhabism, perhaps the least liberal, oppressive and intolerant strain of political Islamism.

The foreign policy of the Saudis aside, based purely on the brutal and unjust treatment of those within its own borders we shouldn't even be maintaining diplomatic relations with the regime in my opinion.

Make no mistake: these people are inhuman butchers. They are cowards who have zero respect for their wards and will stoop to any level to protect their grip on power.

We need a serious review of why the info passed onto to the authorities failed to stop some of these events. It's a massive, massive oversight that seems to have been swept under the carpet, to an extent.

Whilst I am no expert, I understand Islam compels Muslims to come forward.

The Manchester bomber for example. His Imam reported him to the police on five separate occasions.

Without knowing anything of what the police and authorities do it must be incredibly difficult for them to constantly keep on top of monitoring those under investigation or 'known'

Makes me laugh when the Islamist call for war against the crusaders....as they're on a crusade for worldwide islamification.

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 10 minutes ago
The survey was conducted on a random sample of 1,081 British Muslims aged 18 and over.

No other info about that survey.

Why do people fall for this nonsense?
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The Express has spent the best part of a decade demonising Muslims and migrants, and hardly surprising that their rhetoric has been accepted by some.

Corbyn gets dogs abuse for his reluctance to push the nuclear button but trident would have no effect against hire vans and rambo knives. Use the trident renewal money to fund the police and spooks.

I wish people would just give a bit of logic and/or research to the things they read... If something fits my outlook a little too perfectly, I question it.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 47 seconds ago
Corbyn gets dogs abuse for his reluctance to push the nuclear button but trident would have no effect against hire vans and rambo knives. Use the trident renewal money to fund the police and spooks.
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Sadly Diane Abbott’s gaff (re policing figures) is all that folk seem to recall from Labour’s policing policy proposals a few weeks ago. The policy itself is/was sound.

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As an undecided voter I want to hear how our potential leaders will take on the war on terror and what they will do to those 'under watch'

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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Thudd - The Big 6. (U1029)
posted 14 minutes ago
Without knowing anything of what the police and authorities do it must be incredibly difficult for them to constantly keep on top of monitoring those under investigation or 'known'
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Add the fact that any mistake is scrutinised by the public. I think laws may need to change and police/courts being given more power over terrorist behaviour/propaganda/speeches, etc
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Most times the police can't do anything but move them on from the scene, new laws like you say have to come into place soon.

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Can we just nuke Saudi Arabia, steal their nuclear contaminated oil and steal all their Sheikh's money.

That should stop them funding terrorists.

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Thudd - The Big 6. (U1029)
posted 14 minutes ago
Without knowing anything of what the police and authorities do it must be incredibly difficult for them to constantly keep on top of monitoring those under investigation or 'known'
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Add the fact that any mistake is scrutinised by the public. I think laws may need to change and police/courts being given more power over terrorist behaviour/propaganda/speeches, etc
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I understand since 2010 there has been six new/amendments to anti-terrorism prevention acts. Which have afforded security forces additional powers.

It doesn’t help however when intelligence and policing services their numbers are decimated by cutbacks.

Especially when the JTAC terror threat has been at severe for the last three years.

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Thudd - The Big 6. (U1029)
posted 1 minute ago
As an undecided voter I want to hear how our potential leaders will take on the war on terror and what they will do to those 'under watch'
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Not Corbyn. He says he will commission a report... scary!!
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and this answer is probably why you shouldn't ask for political advice on a football forum.

Get in touch with your local candidates, they might have some idea... Though as things stand, there is very little info in any of the manifestos regarding that very specific issue.

Hi as a British muslim I would like to put my two cents in. Firstly I absolutely agree with OP, Whaabisim is the most extreme version is islam and maybe there is exactly where we (as in west) need to start.

Secondly (while I agree with the western outlook on life) we also and I mean everybody need to realise that our ideology (western values) are not the same everywhere else. We cannot impose our way of life on to those other countries that do not agree (Iran, Evan though they were more liberal until the west decided to get involved by creating the shar)

Just Shoot

You are aware of trials of foreigners facing the death penalty being undertaken without interpreters?

Of the amputation of hands and feet for robbery?

Of judicial flogging for the 'crimes' of 'sexual deviance', drunkenness or apostasy?

Of judicial beheadings and stonings, and the physical abuse of illegal workers?

Of the use of legally contracted 'temporary marriages' to allow the sexual exploitation of migrant workers?

Of the fact that Saudi has the lowest proportion of its resident women working of any country in the world?

Of the cases of rape which have resulted in victims being tried and imprisoned for adultery?

Of the confiscation of low paid migrant workers' passports, leading to years of involuntary servitude?

Of the "systematic discrimination in religion, education, justice and employment" based on people's religious beliefs (Human Rights Watch)?

Of the fact that Saudi law does not recognise religious freedom and that the practice of non-Muslim religions is actively prohibited?

Of the fact that the Interior Ministry can eavesdrop however it likes on citizens without any kind of judicial oversight?

Of the active censorship of television, print press, radio broadcasting and internet reception by the government to prevent political dissent of any kind or anything deemed to be offensive to Wahhabi culture?

Of the physical torture of human rights and religious freedom campaigners?

The list goes on and on and on. It's a truly despicable regime.

gee, when you put it like that rosso...

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comment by TopUnlessWe'reNot (U21519)
posted 1 minute ago
Hi as a British muslim I would like to put my two cents in. Firstly I absolutely agree with OP, Whaabisim is the most extreme version is islam and maybe there is exactly where we (as in west) need to start.

Secondly (while I agree with the western outlook on life) we also and I mean everybody need to realise that our ideology (western values) are not the same everywhere else. We cannot impose our way of life on to those other countries that do not agree (Iran, Evan though they were more liberal until the west decided to get involved by creating the shar)
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I wouldn't want to impose the Western way of life onto anyone else, just be in a position where everyone respects others values

I feel sorry for good honest Muslims who want to live a peaceful life, there will come a time if this keeps happening when those people will be treated harshly.

The Government needs to find a way.