If the Leave campaign had gone with ‘The whole point of Brexit is radical supply side reform’ rather than £350m/week (outright lie) and curbing immigration, then I would have applauded their honesty.
I suspect the UK would have remained in the EU, though.
* I see that the govt sneaked out news on Christmas Eve that care workers are going to be added to the Shortage Occupations List due to what MAC describes as “severe and increasing difficulties” with shortages in the profession, allowing them to join EU farmhands, truck drivers and factor food workers interested in taking jobs in the UK.
Great analysis by Dmitry, btw WWSPD
They managed to hoodwink the electorate, but not the EU negotiators.
“Honestly, we can take the LFP stuff out, can’t we? We don’t really need it, do we? Between friends? Look, we aren’t interested in deregulation reeeeeally. Not reeeeally. We’ll just take the LFP rules out and agree between gentlemen that we’ll all stick with the spirit of healthy, safe and sensible regulation, OK? We trust each other don’t we? No?”
Meanwhile, between themselves they were rather talking about massive deregulation and tax cuts.
^ Here is my problem - you keep alluding to 'between themselves' as if a bunch of backbench MPs were a) the only authority on Brexit and b) the sole decision makers about our future direction.
We have the highest tax burden for seven decades, have committed obscene un-costed amounts of money to the green transition and are about to pour a truck load of money into NHS, and I keep hearing about this supposed deregulated hellscape overrun with free market fundamentalists....sorry what?
🚨 | NEW: David Lammy has apologised for nominating Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader in 2015
Via @JewishNewsUK
🚨🚨🚨 | BREAKING: The Scottish Government is now telling people to stay at home as much as possible.
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posted about an hour ago
Meanwhile, between themselves they were rather talking about massive deregulation and tax cuts.
^ Here is my problem - you keep alluding to 'between themselves' as if a bunch of backbench MPs were a) the only authority on Brexit and b) the sole decision makers about our future direction.
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Weren't they though? They brought about the downfall of May and through their nationalistic bombast (from Cash, Bone to Corporal Francois) steamrollered through both the Brexit they wanted and created the Brexit election which the Tripe filled blonde won his massive majority.
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comment by NPE - Finding Timo (U22712)
posted about an hour ago
Meanwhile, between themselves they were rather talking about massive deregulation and tax cuts.
^ Here is my problem - you keep alluding to 'between themselves' as if a bunch of backbench MPs were a) the only authority on Brexit and b) the sole decision makers about our future direction.
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Weren't they though? They brought about the downfall of May and through their nationalistic bombast (from Cash, Bone to Corporal Francois) steamrollered through both the Brexit they wanted and created the Brexit election which the Tripe filled blonde won his massive majority.
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I think that is an interpretation of events - for sure. However, the only reason 35-40 backbench MPs had such an influence over May was chiefly because the rest of the Commons couldn't agree to a Soft Brexit when they took control of the order papers. I also think that what Boris eventually agreed in the summer of 2019 was not really in line with the ERG at all - especially on Northern Ireland - where they would have much preferred 'No Deal'.
The 'Brexit Election' was created by:
a) Labour not honouring a referendum result
b) Sturgeon backing calls for an election to suit her own interests
c) Corbyn crumbling even though the opposition had the Tories in a vice in the House of Commons
and d) Boris Johnson wanted one
A lot of the problems were a result of the UK simultaneously negotiating with itself, and the EU.
Instead of firstly agreeing a negotiating mandate via Parliament, and in turn entering talks with the EU. The entire process was also overshadowed by a frenzied obsession of getting it done ASAP.
Resulting in an unscrutinised, bare-bones agreement which will be renegotiated/tweeked/amended for many years to come.
We have the highest tax burden for seven decades, have committed obscene un-costed amounts of money to the green transition and are about to pour a truck load of money into NHS
==========================================
It may be the highest tax-burden for 7 decades (& it'll be needed to pay for Covid), but it's still lower than most of our neighbours in northern Europe (most of whom also, as it happens, enjoy higher incomes, bigger houses, better pensions, better healthcare, & work fewer hours). But many elements of the Conservative party will be itching to get it down again, in line with the southern European countries.
The NHS money is nothing more than a Boris promise, as yet, made in order to 'Get Brexit Done'. He'll need the support of his back-benches to get it implemented, & the signals don't look good.
He's already had to rely on the support of the LP to get legislation through, & there's only so many times you can do that without facing a leadership challenge.
That's why Liz Truss is issuing cringeworthy pictures of herself in what she fondly imagines to be 'prime ministerial' poses. She wouldn't be doing that if Boris were on solid ground with the back-benches.
'Getting Brexit Done' entailed making a bunch of promises that the Conservative Party doesn't actually believe in (up to & including a de facto border in the Irish Sea), & the consequences of that will be played out for years to come.
You can pretend it's all representative of where the Conservative Party is right now, but until it actually materialises, it's just Boris p1ssing in the wind.
The Tories have dominated our political landscape since Atlee left office tbh, so I find claims of NHS underfunding or privatisation or secret plans to sell it off faintly ridiculous, especially when it was cultural radical Tony Blair who has come closer to privatisation than his right wing equivalents.
'He's already had to rely on the support of the LP to get legislation through, & there's only so many times you can do that without facing a leadership challenge.'
^ To get Covid-19 measures through, not policies.
If you want to understand the Tory vote - rather than having a discussion about divergences in voting behaviour, the Red Wall, Brexit, spin, the media or whatever hobby horse any one of us likes to push - I am as guilty as the next person - I think the honest is the age.
It is the grey vote - that reality will determine much of their thinking over the medium term.
My uncle actually said today at dinner that "The EU was a good idea, until they started telling people that they couldn't eat straight bananas"
On Christmas my nan was getting all uppity exclaiming that "every country wants to leave the EU, even Germany" and my grandad was claiming that "The EU only exists as a way to conquer Europe because we beat them twice"
I can't actually wait until my uncle returns to Dorset after Christmas.. if I have to hear his racist terms much longer I'm going to lose my shiiit.
🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
France now is reporting higher deaths per capita from Covid and more cases - but more restrictions. Hmmm....
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🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
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Still baffled why something like Covid response was a devolved matter.
Lol, just remembered Four Seasons Total Landscaping - easily the best thing in American politics this century
comment by NPE - Finding Timo (U22712)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 7 minutes ago
🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
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Still baffled why something like Covid response was a devolved matter.
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Because health is in their remit.
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted about 2 hours ago
🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
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It's the down-market Telegraph so I'm calling bull on this.
No self respecting Scot would travel south to celebrate Hogmanay.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Finding Timo (U22712)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 7 minutes ago
🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
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Still baffled why something like Covid response was a devolved matter.
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Because health is in their remit.
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This is more than about 'health' though.
UK households face a hit of £1,200 next year as stalling wages and rising tax and energy bills cause a “cost of living catastrophe” in the spring, a leading thinktank has warned.
Government measures, including the new social care levy on national insurance and the freezing of the personal income tax allowance, will combine with high inflation to make 2022 the “year of the squeeze”, the Resolution Foundation said.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/dec/29/uk-households-warned-of-year-of-the-squeeze-as-cost-of-living-soars
Brexit Britain
comment by NPE - Finding Timo (U22712)
posted about 10 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Finding Timo (U22712)
posted about 2 hours ago
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🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
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Still baffled why something like Covid response was a devolved matter.
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Because health is in their remit.
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This is more than about 'health' though.
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If you think public health is primarily a political issue then it is more, but imo, its straight forward, NHS is devolved so its on the relevant authorities.
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posted 12 hours, 45 minutes ago
My uncle actually said today at dinner that "The EU was a good idea, until they started telling people that they couldn't eat straight bananas"
On Christmas my nan was getting all uppity exclaiming that "every country wants to leave the EU, even Germany" and my grandad was claiming that "The EU only exists as a way to conquer Europe because we beat them twice"
I can't actually wait until my uncle returns to Dorset after Christmas.. if I have to hear his racist terms much longer I'm going to lose my shiiit.
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Sounds like the three of them have some kind of secret pact just to WUM you as hard as is humanly possible the entire holiday period
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posted on 28/12/21
If the Leave campaign had gone with ‘The whole point of Brexit is radical supply side reform’ rather than £350m/week (outright lie) and curbing immigration, then I would have applauded their honesty.
I suspect the UK would have remained in the EU, though.
* I see that the govt sneaked out news on Christmas Eve that care workers are going to be added to the Shortage Occupations List due to what MAC describes as “severe and increasing difficulties” with shortages in the profession, allowing them to join EU farmhands, truck drivers and factor food workers interested in taking jobs in the UK.
posted on 28/12/21
Great analysis by Dmitry, btw WWSPD
They managed to hoodwink the electorate, but not the EU negotiators.
“Honestly, we can take the LFP stuff out, can’t we? We don’t really need it, do we? Between friends? Look, we aren’t interested in deregulation reeeeeally. Not reeeeally. We’ll just take the LFP rules out and agree between gentlemen that we’ll all stick with the spirit of healthy, safe and sensible regulation, OK? We trust each other don’t we? No?”
posted on 28/12/21
^ LPF
posted on 28/12/21
Meanwhile, between themselves they were rather talking about massive deregulation and tax cuts.
^ Here is my problem - you keep alluding to 'between themselves' as if a bunch of backbench MPs were a) the only authority on Brexit and b) the sole decision makers about our future direction.
posted on 28/12/21
We have the highest tax burden for seven decades, have committed obscene un-costed amounts of money to the green transition and are about to pour a truck load of money into NHS, and I keep hearing about this supposed deregulated hellscape overrun with free market fundamentalists....sorry what?
posted on 28/12/21
🚨 | NEW: David Lammy has apologised for nominating Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader in 2015
Via @JewishNewsUK
posted on 28/12/21
🚨🚨🚨 | BREAKING: The Scottish Government is now telling people to stay at home as much as possible.
posted on 28/12/21
comment by NPE - Finding Timo (U22712)
posted about an hour ago
Meanwhile, between themselves they were rather talking about massive deregulation and tax cuts.
^ Here is my problem - you keep alluding to 'between themselves' as if a bunch of backbench MPs were a) the only authority on Brexit and b) the sole decision makers about our future direction.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Weren't they though? They brought about the downfall of May and through their nationalistic bombast (from Cash, Bone to Corporal Francois) steamrollered through both the Brexit they wanted and created the Brexit election which the Tripe filled blonde won his massive majority.
posted on 28/12/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Finding Timo (U22712)
posted about an hour ago
Meanwhile, between themselves they were rather talking about massive deregulation and tax cuts.
^ Here is my problem - you keep alluding to 'between themselves' as if a bunch of backbench MPs were a) the only authority on Brexit and b) the sole decision makers about our future direction.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Weren't they though? They brought about the downfall of May and through their nationalistic bombast (from Cash, Bone to Corporal Francois) steamrollered through both the Brexit they wanted and created the Brexit election which the Tripe filled blonde won his massive majority.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that is an interpretation of events - for sure. However, the only reason 35-40 backbench MPs had such an influence over May was chiefly because the rest of the Commons couldn't agree to a Soft Brexit when they took control of the order papers. I also think that what Boris eventually agreed in the summer of 2019 was not really in line with the ERG at all - especially on Northern Ireland - where they would have much preferred 'No Deal'.
The 'Brexit Election' was created by:
a) Labour not honouring a referendum result
b) Sturgeon backing calls for an election to suit her own interests
c) Corbyn crumbling even though the opposition had the Tories in a vice in the House of Commons
and d) Boris Johnson wanted one
posted on 28/12/21
A lot of the problems were a result of the UK simultaneously negotiating with itself, and the EU.
Instead of firstly agreeing a negotiating mandate via Parliament, and in turn entering talks with the EU. The entire process was also overshadowed by a frenzied obsession of getting it done ASAP.
Resulting in an unscrutinised, bare-bones agreement which will be renegotiated/tweeked/amended for many years to come.
posted on 28/12/21
We have the highest tax burden for seven decades, have committed obscene un-costed amounts of money to the green transition and are about to pour a truck load of money into NHS
==========================================
It may be the highest tax-burden for 7 decades (& it'll be needed to pay for Covid), but it's still lower than most of our neighbours in northern Europe (most of whom also, as it happens, enjoy higher incomes, bigger houses, better pensions, better healthcare, & work fewer hours). But many elements of the Conservative party will be itching to get it down again, in line with the southern European countries.
The NHS money is nothing more than a Boris promise, as yet, made in order to 'Get Brexit Done'. He'll need the support of his back-benches to get it implemented, & the signals don't look good.
He's already had to rely on the support of the LP to get legislation through, & there's only so many times you can do that without facing a leadership challenge.
That's why Liz Truss is issuing cringeworthy pictures of herself in what she fondly imagines to be 'prime ministerial' poses. She wouldn't be doing that if Boris were on solid ground with the back-benches.
'Getting Brexit Done' entailed making a bunch of promises that the Conservative Party doesn't actually believe in (up to & including a de facto border in the Irish Sea), & the consequences of that will be played out for years to come.
You can pretend it's all representative of where the Conservative Party is right now, but until it actually materialises, it's just Boris p1ssing in the wind.
posted on 28/12/21
The Tories have dominated our political landscape since Atlee left office tbh, so I find claims of NHS underfunding or privatisation or secret plans to sell it off faintly ridiculous, especially when it was cultural radical Tony Blair who has come closer to privatisation than his right wing equivalents.
posted on 28/12/21
'He's already had to rely on the support of the LP to get legislation through, & there's only so many times you can do that without facing a leadership challenge.'
^ To get Covid-19 measures through, not policies.
posted on 28/12/21
If you want to understand the Tory vote - rather than having a discussion about divergences in voting behaviour, the Red Wall, Brexit, spin, the media or whatever hobby horse any one of us likes to push - I am as guilty as the next person - I think the honest is the age.
It is the grey vote - that reality will determine much of their thinking over the medium term.
posted on 28/12/21
My uncle actually said today at dinner that "The EU was a good idea, until they started telling people that they couldn't eat straight bananas"
On Christmas my nan was getting all uppity exclaiming that "every country wants to leave the EU, even Germany" and my grandad was claiming that "The EU only exists as a way to conquer Europe because we beat them twice"
I can't actually wait until my uncle returns to Dorset after Christmas.. if I have to hear his racist terms much longer I'm going to lose my shiiit.
posted on 28/12/21
🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
posted on 28/12/21
France now is reporting higher deaths per capita from Covid and more cases - but more restrictions. Hmmm....
posted on 28/12/21
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 7 minutes ago
🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
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Still baffled why something like Covid response was a devolved matter.
posted on 28/12/21
Lol, just remembered Four Seasons Total Landscaping - easily the best thing in American politics this century
posted on 28/12/21
comment by NPE - Finding Timo (U22712)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 7 minutes ago
🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
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Still baffled why something like Covid response was a devolved matter.
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Because health is in their remit.
posted on 28/12/21
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted about 2 hours ago
🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
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It's the down-market Telegraph so I'm calling bull on this.
No self respecting Scot would travel south to celebrate Hogmanay.
posted on 28/12/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Finding Timo (U22712)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 7 minutes ago
🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
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Still baffled why something like Covid response was a devolved matter.
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Because health is in their remit.
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This is more than about 'health' though.
posted on 29/12/21
UK households face a hit of £1,200 next year as stalling wages and rising tax and energy bills cause a “cost of living catastrophe” in the spring, a leading thinktank has warned.
Government measures, including the new social care levy on national insurance and the freezing of the personal income tax allowance, will combine with high inflation to make 2022 the “year of the squeeze”, the Resolution Foundation said.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/dec/29/uk-households-warned-of-year-of-the-squeeze-as-cost-of-living-soars
Brexit Britain
posted on 29/12/21
comment by NPE - Finding Timo (U22712)
posted about 10 hours ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Finding Timo (U22712)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 7 minutes ago
🚨 | BREAKING: The Scots and the Welsh are planning a nightclub invasion of England on New Year’s Eve
Via @Telegraph
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Still baffled why something like Covid response was a devolved matter.
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Because health is in their remit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is more than about 'health' though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you think public health is primarily a political issue then it is more, but imo, its straight forward, NHS is devolved so its on the relevant authorities.
posted on 29/12/21
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 12 hours, 45 minutes ago
My uncle actually said today at dinner that "The EU was a good idea, until they started telling people that they couldn't eat straight bananas"
On Christmas my nan was getting all uppity exclaiming that "every country wants to leave the EU, even Germany" and my grandad was claiming that "The EU only exists as a way to conquer Europe because we beat them twice"
I can't actually wait until my uncle returns to Dorset after Christmas.. if I have to hear his racist terms much longer I'm going to lose my shiiit.
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Sounds like the three of them have some kind of secret pact just to WUM you as hard as is humanly possible the entire holiday period
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