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comment by 🇺🇦 Boris 'Inky' Gibson 🇺🇦 (U5901)
posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
Jonathon Pie is a parody.
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And Brand is a fekin psychotic.

comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
For those who CBA to click links - this from Rutger Bregman is very good:

Short thread on my feelings of deep unease about the current atmosphere, and the dizzying speed with which radical conclusions are being drawn.

People who couldn’t find Ukraine on a map a week ago, are calling for a no fly-zone.

People who had never heard of SWIFT a week ago, now want even more banks to be kicked off it.

People who don't really know what the current sanctions are, and what their effects will be, are calling for more sanctions. More, more, more.

People who've been never been excited about military spending, and have always scoffed at the crazy amounts of money the US spends on its army, are now very excited about the German promise to spend an extra $100 billion.

People who used to be almost pacifists now want to supply more weapons to Ukraine. Javelins! Stingers! Fighter jets! Don't hesitate, don't delay, it's now or never! It's the whole world against Russia!

People who have no clue about the European energy system (and just how dependent we are on natural gas) are shouting that we should just boycott all Russian gas, 'double down on renewables', without any idea of the radical consequences.

So many pundits seem exhilarated by this moment, and how it proves everything they've been saying for years ('now more than ever!'– without worrying about how our actions could be counter-productive and contribute to an escalatory spiral.

In the words of Dutch historian Jolle Demmers: 'It is precisely the decline and contraction of Russian power, coupled with the possession of nuclear weapons and a tormented repressive president, that poses great risks.'

Or like @robertwiblin said: 'If what you do gets three billion people killed it doesn't matter that the cause you were fighting for was just.'

It almost seems as if we've forgotten nuclear weapons still exist. Even a small chance of nuclear conflict is completely terrifying.

After the election of Trump, @mashaagessen counseled us to 'Believe the autocrat'.

I think that's especially important when the autocrat is threatening to use his nuclear weapons.
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Yeah okay.

comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
"The annual wage for a full-time Tube driver is £56,500 before bonuses, compared to the London average of £41,000. They also get 43 days holiday per year, a free annual transport pass for themselves and a partner, and retirement at 60 on full pension or reduced pension at 50."

I need more context and obviously Telegraph has a world view to promote, but those terms are wayyyyy better than my own and most Londoners.
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how long could you drive a tube for before going crazy?
Okay. Crazier than you are.

comment by Don't Shoot 🕊️ (U10408)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted less than a minute ago
"The annual wage for a full-time Tube driver is £56,500 before bonuses, compared to the London average of £41,000. They also get 43 days holiday per year, a free annual transport pass for themselves and a partner, and retirement at 60 on full pension or reduced pension at 50."

I need more context and obviously Telegraph has a world view to promote, but those terms are wayyyyy better than my own and most Londoners.
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Ask yourself why they have those standards and you dont, and you will understand why they are striking to keep them.

Its not right to pull others down either, we are meant to be "Levelling up" after all
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You seem to be more informed than most. So share the knowldge.
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Aren't you an " Oi done da reserch" oink?

comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
Apparently the convoy has stalled.

Russian machinery fail 🥳🥳🥳
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I mentioned this yesterday. Pay your tradespeople they will produce.

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by Don't Shoot 🕊️ (U10408)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted less than a minute ago
"The annual wage for a full-time Tube driver is £56,500 before bonuses, compared to the London average of £41,000. They also get 43 days holiday per year, a free annual transport pass for themselves and a partner, and retirement at 60 on full pension or reduced pension at 50."

I need more context and obviously Telegraph has a world view to promote, but those terms are wayyyyy better than my own and most Londoners.
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Ask yourself why they have those standards and you dont, and you will understand why they are striking to keep them.

Its not right to pull others down either, we are meant to be "Levelling up" after all
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You seem to be more informed than most. So share the knowldge.
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What knowledge?

Central government has cut TFL funding again, and there's potential job losses and changes to their pensions. They are striking to prevent it.

Good on them, no one likes a strike, they are inconvenient but chances are the vast majority of in employment benefits and rights you have were won by such pickets, i.e: Paid holiday, paid sick leave, paid maternity/paternity, secure contracts, redundancies etc.

NPE has compared them to the average Londoners wage, the question is: Do you want an average Londoner driving them?
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How much is this strike costing the British economy?
Let's compare that to the hate convoys that he supported cost Canada's recently.





is scurries off.

y r trane drivers not drivin the tranes in London town?

whuts there beef?

comment by 4zA - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 thru all the searching n the need too work it out, I stop b-leaving everything wud b alrite….. (U22472)
posted 27 seconds ago
y r trane drivers not drivin the tranes in London town?

whuts there beef?
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Days getting fokked.

in whut weigh tho?

It's not the drivers unions ASLEF that are striking, it's the RMT which is the union of station staff... This is especially frustrating for me as I don't need the tube but my train can't pull into moorgate as their won't be any staff at the top of the escalator to make sure I don't die

There are no threat to jobs or pensions but RMT want it categorically ruled out, which TFL can't do right away.

Failure all round, and even though there's no strike today all services are still disrupted

Very cringe.

It's telling how these people have never shown any interest in starving children in Yemen, or are even aware. I never saw anyone from the fashion world hold a sign demanding war end in Yemen. People disgust me.

comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted 6 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted less than a minute ago
"The annual wage for a full-time Tube driver is £56,500 before bonuses, compared to the London average of £41,000. They also get 43 days holiday per year, a free annual transport pass for themselves and a partner, and retirement at 60 on full pension or reduced pension at 50."

I need more context and obviously Telegraph has a world view to promote, but those terms are wayyyyy better than my own and most Londoners.
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Ask yourself why they have those standards and you dont, and you will understand why they are striking to keep them.

Its not right to pull others down either, we are meant to be "Levelling up" after all
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I have no issue with them doing well for themselves, just they should have more gratitude for it. Their financial package, I think, it reflects they are incredibly fortunate and have no leg to stand on, I am afraid. It is also why few Londoners from my experience have any sympathy with them.
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It's not the tube drivers that are striking, it's station staff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBKN7_vx2xo&t=26s

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 7 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by NPE - Puns are for Prats (U22712)
posted less than a minute ago
"The annual wage for a full-time Tube driver is £56,500 before bonuses, compared to the London average of £41,000. They also get 43 days holiday per year, a free annual transport pass for themselves and a partner, and retirement at 60 on full pension or reduced pension at 50."

I need more context and obviously Telegraph has a world view to promote, but those terms are wayyyyy better than my own and most Londoners.
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Ask yourself why they have those standards and you dont, and you will understand why they are striking to keep them.

Its not right to pull others down either, we are meant to be "Levelling up" after all
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So you’re ok with people earning less because they are less skilled?

I’m with NPE: the job security, the remuneration, the holidays - it is a complete package that really doesn’t deserve support for striking. It’s actually a complete joke.

Front line workers back to being 5hit again. That didn't take long.

Does anyone know the average salary just for the station staff in London? All I can find is how much the RMT Union bosses earn which is unsurprisingly quite high!

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Front line workers back to being 5hit again. That didn't take long.
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You can direct that to Insert, not me. He said to NPE that there is a reason why the drivers are paid so highly.

It’s just supply and demand Hector, if I became a gardener next week and my skills at that are limited to cutting grass and that’s it. I won’t be able to charge people a lot of money to do it because I’m no good at it. Anyone could do as good a job as me. So why should I earn the same as someone who’s been gardening for 20 years and is immensely skilled at it? Why should they earn the same as someone who is 0 years experience and is unskilled at it?

Equality of outcome

Equality of opportunity

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/ukraine-invasion-more-than-50-000-raised-to-help-hundreds-of-black-students-flee-amid-racism-reports-12554864

Same happened to Yemenis, Moroccans and Mauritians.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Front line workers back to being 5hit again. That didn't take long.
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You can direct that to Insert, not me. He said to NPE that there is a reason why the drivers are paid so highly.

It’s just supply and demand Hector, if I became a gardener next week and my skills at that are limited to cutting grass and that’s it. I won’t be able to charge people a lot of money to do it because I’m no good at it. Anyone could do as good a job as me. So why should I earn the same as someone who’s been gardening for 20 years and is immensely skilled at it? Why should they earn the same as someone who is 0 years experience and is unskilled at it?

Equality of outcome

Equality of opportunity
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I think you're undermining yournown argument re: the tube drivers with that logic. You wouldn't want a ticket sales person driving a tube would you.

Bigger picture though, skills are one aspectnof renumeration but surely the lockdown opened your eyes to the contribution to society unskilled Labour provides.
Not a dig but whilst you were WFH it was majority unskilled Labour that kept the country open and going.
The fact removal of their labour created chaos proves, to me anyway, the importance of the invisible people, nobody is asking for pay parity to the highly skilled allbthwy want is fairness, if part of their package is job security and acceptance of 5hit pay today for a decent pension tomorrow they're right to fight for that which they were promised when they signed up for the job.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Front line workers back to being 5hit again. That didn't take long.
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You can direct that to Insert, not me. He said to NPE that there is a reason why the drivers are paid so highly.

It’s just supply and demand Hector, if I became a gardener next week and my skills at that are limited to cutting grass and that’s it. I won’t be able to charge people a lot of money to do it because I’m no good at it. Anyone could do as good a job as me. So why should I earn the same as someone who’s been gardening for 20 years and is immensely skilled at it? Why should they earn the same as someone who is 0 years experience and is unskilled at it?

Equality of outcome

Equality of opportunity
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I think you're undermining yournown argument re: the tube drivers with that logic. You wouldn't want a ticket sales person driving a tube would you.

Bigger picture though, skills are one aspectnof renumeration but surely the lockdown opened your eyes to the contribution to society unskilled Labour provides.
Not a dig but whilst you were WFH it was majority unskilled Labour that kept the country open and going.
The fact removal of their labour created chaos proves, to me anyway, the importance of the invisible people, nobody is asking for pay parity to the highly skilled allbthwy want is fairness, if part of their package is job security and acceptance of 5hit pay today for a decent pension tomorrow they're right to fight for that which they were promised when they signed up for the job.
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I’m back in the car so I’ll keep it short.

What would you do increase the minimum wage to £20?

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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Front line workers back to being 5hit again. That didn't take long.
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You can direct that to Insert, not me. He said to NPE that there is a reason why the drivers are paid so highly.

It’s just supply and demand Hector, if I became a gardener next week and my skills at that are limited to cutting grass and that’s it. I won’t be able to charge people a lot of money to do it because I’m no good at it. Anyone could do as good a job as me. So why should I earn the same as someone who’s been gardening for 20 years and is immensely skilled at it? Why should they earn the same as someone who is 0 years experience and is unskilled at it?

Equality of outcome

Equality of opportunity
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I think you're undermining yournown argument re: the tube drivers with that logic. You wouldn't want a ticket sales person driving a tube would you.

Bigger picture though, skills are one aspectnof renumeration but surely the lockdown opened your eyes to the contribution to society unskilled Labour provides.
Not a dig but whilst you were WFH it was majority unskilled Labour that kept the country open and going.
The fact removal of their labour created chaos proves, to me anyway, the importance of the invisible people, nobody is asking for pay parity to the highly skilled allbthwy want is fairness, if part of their package is job security and acceptance of 5hit pay today for a decent pension tomorrow they're right to fight for that which they were promised when they signed up for the job.
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I’m back in the car so I’ll keep it short.

What would you do increase the minimum wage to £20?
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A real living wage would be a start, with reintroduction of London Weighting. An end to in-work benefits that are nothing less than the tax payer subsidising unsustainable businesses which is equal to £1 in every £8 pound we spend on benefits, more than we pay on education or the NHS.