Onanists? Eeeew. Just looked that up.
Congratulations on bringing that into a polite conversation.
Normally I'd call you a beast, but in the spirit of this new thread I won't.

Yeah I really can’t see this impeachment going anywhere.

They’ve used ridiculously cut videos to make it look like Trump said x, y and z. The cuts aren’t even good, I could probably do a better job.

Retracting evidence they submitted from a newspaper report as it was “not true”


The other reason why I don’t think it was a good idea and I’ve heard the reasons why people think it is a good idea but don’t you think that if/when the impeachment fails, people will react badly to that also?

Should have moved on and forgotten all about it and acted like the bigger men imo. This impeachment attempt will just further entrench Trump supporters and displease the anti-Trump people when it fails.

They’ve been gunning for an impeachment ever since he got elected so it’s quite obvious that this is just more of the same and comes across as quite petty to me.

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comment by Constantinople (U11781)
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And say this poll is accurate, how terrible is the education system in this country that’s enabled folk to want to bring something back that existed before any of them were born? I mean, are we really that dim?
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Not completely dim, immature, insecure and a section of our citizenry are extremely maleable. Our history is rich, its full of wonder and downright evil, amazing brains and ruthless onanists, its who we are but it isn't taught honestly.
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I’m sure most countries teach their respective history with a positive spin, don’t you think? I think at A-level they could start adding in the more critical approach to history but up to GCSE they might as well focus on the positives imo.

Similar to sciences (I didn’t do chemistry) when you start A-level they start off saying along the lines of ‘ok forget what you know, this is the real info’

Someone described Americans as very clever children, it rings true on many occasions.

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SatNav, what delicacies are on your menu tonight?
Madame Q is making veggie chilli. Might go buy a steak to go with it.

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 57 minutes ago
Pawl could have a gang of Tory MP’s lining up to shaaaag his wife and daughter, and he’d applaud them for it.
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Oh dear you just can't help yourself can you.

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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 15 minutes ago
And say this poll is accurate, how terrible is the education system in this country that’s enabled folk to want to bring something back that existed before any of them were born? I mean, are we really that dim?
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Not completely dim, immature, insecure and a section of our citizenry are extremely maleable. Our history is rich, its full of wonder and downright evil, amazing brains and ruthless onanists, its who we are but it isn't taught honestly.
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I’m sure most countries teach their respective history with a positive spin, don’t you think? I think at A-level they could start adding in the more critical approach to history but up to GCSE they might as well focus on the positives imo.

Similar to sciences (I didn’t do chemistry) when you start A-level they start off saying along the lines of ‘ok forget what you know, this is the real info’
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Wouldn't the schools and unis then be accused of being woke, left leaning, unpatriotic etc.
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You mean like they are accused of being now?

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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 15 minutes ago
And say this poll is accurate, how terrible is the education system in this country that’s enabled folk to want to bring something back that existed before any of them were born? I mean, are we really that dim?
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Not completely dim, immature, insecure and a section of our citizenry are extremely maleable. Our history is rich, its full of wonder and downright evil, amazing brains and ruthless onanists, its who we are but it isn't taught honestly.
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I’m sure most countries teach their respective history with a positive spin, don’t you think? I think at A-level they could start adding in the more critical approach to history but up to GCSE they might as well focus on the positives imo.

Similar to sciences (I didn’t do chemistry) when you start A-level they start off saying along the lines of ‘ok forget what you know, this is the real info’
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Wouldn't the schools and unis then be accused of being woke, left leaning, unpatriotic etc.
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If they teach it as part of a balanced accurate depiction of history in advanced lessons such as a-levels and above then I have no problem with it. The problem I think that exists now is that it’s a bit of an over correction whereby students come out hating their respective country as opposed to acknowledging that there are good and bad things in history as with all areas of human existence.

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SatNav, what delicacies are on your menu tonight?
Madame Q is making veggie chilli. Might go buy a steak to go with it.
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I’m not sure, I’m going to someone’s flat later so she’s cooking so no idea what’s on the ‘menu’ 😉

Good call on the steak mate 😂😂😂

Although with chilli I think vegetables are acceptable due to the strong flavours involved 😂

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I don't think kids hate their country due to schools teaching accurate history.

I think it's probably due to Increasing wage inequality, decreasing job opportunities, reduced social mobility, generation conflict, generational wage inequality, increasing debt due to HE, increased need for HE due to the over subscription for jobs, and a complete lack of regard for these issues by boomers and conservatives in general who, rather than addressing the compounding problems their ideology is creating point at education and say "you made them this way" rather than acknowledging that they can think for themselves and don't fancy their prospects
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All of that comes after school, I don’t think kids at 15 demanding that Churchill and JK Rowling be removed from any link with their school has anything to do with job prospects in the future and if any ideology is at play with results like that, it’s certainly not a conservative ideology.

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How can you say it's not a conservative ideology that's led to this?

conservatives have been in power for 40 years because they have continually appealed to the biggest cohort, the boomers. For 40 years they have shaped the political economics in their favour
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A conservative majority in the teaching profession is highly unlikely.

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I don't think kids hate their country due to schools teaching accurate history.

I think it's probably due to Increasing wage inequality, decreasing job opportunities, reduced social mobility, generation conflict, generational wage inequality, increasing debt due to HE, increased need for HE due to the over subscription for jobs, and a complete lack of regard for these issues by boomers and conservatives in general who, rather than addressing the compounding problems their ideology is creating point at education and say "you made them this way" rather than acknowledging that they can think for themselves and don't fancy their prospects
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All of that comes after school, I don’t think kids at 15 demanding that Churchill and JK Rowling be removed from any link with their school has anything to do with job prospects in the future and if any ideology is at play with results like that, it’s certainly not a conservative ideology.
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How can you say it's not a conservative ideology that's led to this?

conservatives have been in power for 40 years because they have continually appealed to the biggest cohort, the boomers. For 40 years they have shaped the political economics in their favour
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So it’s conservative values that has led to examples such as I’ve given above?

No it’s modern day historical judgement and modern day political correctness gone OTT.

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comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
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How can you say it's not a conservative ideology that's led to this?

conservatives have been in power for 40 years because they have continually appealed to the biggest cohort, the boomers. For 40 years they have shaped the political economics in their favour
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A conservative majority in the teaching profession is highly unlikely.
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Another good point, it’s been the complete opposite for decades and decades.

And this is my point, if the majority of educators are one way incline politically and are teaching children in an unbalanced way (not saying they all are and this is much worse in the US & Canada I believe than here in the UK) then it’s doing a disservice to the children to learn how to think independently and critically as they’re not fully getting both sides of the argument.

Eton teacher got sacked last year for discussing opposing views on such matters.

This isn’t balanced and it’s the same with Twitter and the corporations, Human Resources and like I said this morning I think it was; if we had the reverse and people were being fired, censored and school names changing from one to the other we would have no problem in acknowledging that this is authoritarian behaviour.

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comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
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How can you say it's not a conservative ideology that's led to this?

conservatives have been in power for 40 years because they have continually appealed to the biggest cohort, the boomers. For 40 years they have shaped the political economics in their favour
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A conservative majority in the teaching profession is highly unlikely.
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Well I may have misread Sat Nav's intent with his last message, but I assumed he was referring to the dour outlook for today's youth (and the last generation)

However even teaching has been moulded by 40 years of conservative rule tbh. How can it not have been?!?
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Because academia is ruled and has been ruled by non conservatives for decades.

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Coding wont be i wouldnt think

The machine learning ai will be better at coding than humans. There will be interface but it wont be coding as we know it now

More likely healthcare will get more dominant than anything employment wise

The issue with teaching tech is how quickly it goes out of date too

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Id say conservative values (preserving what we have) are probably a large part of why kids leave school unprepared for the work place.

20 years from now the vast majority of jobs will be IT based, coding and machine repair.

Neither of those are core subjects in the current curriculums.. why? Because conservatism fails to plan for the future.

Look at the energy privatisation in the 80s, the grid that was sold off has been given barely any upgrades in 40 years, it's the least efficient in Europe. 2kw produced for every kw that reaches a house,

Water the same 40% lost through leaks due to a lack of upgrades (Vs 52bn of dividends and a 50bn debt pile they have created)

Electrification of rail is decades behind Europe, we are building HS2 with old technology, no work to combat automation etc etc etc.
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I don’t think you can put that down to conservatism mate.

Academia is majority non conservative and has been for decades.

IT and it’s importance grew extremely quickly, in 1995 it was of very little importance, even 2005 it was starting to be but nowhere near the level of importance by 2015.

You need 1000s of qualified teachers for emerging subjects and they don’t grow on trees.

Critical race theory - yeah I can see that being stifled by conservatives but IT? Nah I think that’s just a process mate which takes time.

I get the overall point where we’re a bit of a stuffy, sluggish country in many ways and sometimes slow to change but again I don’t think that down to conservatism, perhaps it is. But we’re slower than our American cousins and European cousins in many ways, I can accept that. But I couldn’t link that to changing school names, street names and all of the progressive changes that are being demanded in the last (let’s be honest) 4 years?

Social media, I’m telling ya. That’s where these kids are getting this from. 6 years ago, none of them would have cared one iota about trans rights or Churchill etc.

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