comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
Europe has had a fack ton more blood than that on its hands in recent times.
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Is there a conflict in Europe where an army has killed 20,000 children in 2 years?

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 5 hours, 59 minutes ago
58,400 deaths in Gaza since the Israeli offensive began according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

In the meantime…

At least 63,285 people have perished or disappeared on migration routes around the world over the last ten years, with most deaths caused by drowning, and nearly half (circa 28,000) during ‘Mediterranean transits’, including a large proportion headed for the UK, according to the UN Migratory Agency.

Europe has an awful lot of blood on its hands.
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I am sorry but what does Europe have to do with migrants risking their lives to cross the med and channel? They are doing it from their free will mostly because the governments in their home countries are useless and can't provide them with economic opportunities.
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I was just about to ask the same question.

Which European countries actively encourage people to cross the Med or the Channel in small boats?
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The ones that cause wars in the middle east? the ones that impose sanctions on countries in the middle east to destroy their economies?

comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 5 hours, 59 minutes ago
58,400 deaths in Gaza since the Israeli offensive began according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

In the meantime…

At least 63,285 people have perished or disappeared on migration routes around the world over the last ten years, with most deaths caused by drowning, and nearly half (circa 28,000) during ‘Mediterranean transits’, including a large proportion headed for the UK, according to the UN Migratory Agency.

Europe has an awful lot of blood on its hands.
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I am sorry but what does Europe have to do with migrants risking their lives to cross the med and channel? They are doing it from their free will mostly because the governments in their home countries are useless and can't provide them with economic opportunities.
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I was just about to ask the same question.

Which European countries actively encourage people to cross the Med or the Channel in small boats?
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Would you like a list of European countries which have directly and indirectly participated in bombing, other forms of horrific violence/oppression, or wholesale economic exploitation and extraction in Africa and Asia over the last couple of decades?
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beat me to it!

Amazing that people can watch their governments support or actively participate in the facking levelling of entire towns and cities and impoverishment of nations, then shrug their shoulders and offer nothing more than “How is that our fault?” when refugees who manage to escape the devastation perish whilst fleeing.

Facking pathetic and facking callous, tbh.

comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Amazing that people can watch their governments support or actively participate in the facking levelling of entire towns and cities and impoverishment of nations, then shrug their shoulders and offer nothing more than “How is that our fault?” when refugees who manage to escape the devastation perish whilst fleeing.

Facking pathetic and facking callous, tbh.
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Could you give an example of the British Government doing this outside of wartime?

comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
Amazing that people can watch their governments support or actively participate in the facking levelling of entire towns and cities and impoverishment of nations, then shrug their shoulders and offer nothing more than “How is that our fault?” when refugees who manage to escape the devastation perish whilst fleeing.

Facking pathetic and facking callous, tbh.
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and then start prosecuting people for speaking up about it.

THE FREE WORLD

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Amazing that people can watch their governments support or actively participate in the facking levelling of entire towns and cities and impoverishment of nations, then shrug their shoulders and offer nothing more than “How is that our fault?” when refugees who manage to escape the devastation perish whilst fleeing.

Facking pathetic and facking callous, tbh.
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Could you give an example of the British Government doing this outside of wartime?
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if entire towns and cities are being levelled, doesn't that count as wartime?

comment by Waiting for Franko - He don't look at no ... (U23088)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Amazing that people can watch their governments support or actively participate in the facking levelling of entire towns and cities and impoverishment of nations, then shrug their shoulders and offer nothing more than “How is that our fault?” when refugees who manage to escape the devastation perish whilst fleeing.

Facking pathetic and facking callous, tbh.
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Could you give an example of the British Government doing this outside of wartime?
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if entire towns and cities are being levelled, doesn't that count as wartime?
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OK, any example then.

When did we last bomb Pakistan or Eritrea?

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Waiting for Franko - He don't look at no ... (U23088)
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Amazing that people can watch their governments support or actively participate in the facking levelling of entire towns and cities and impoverishment of nations, then shrug their shoulders and offer nothing more than “How is that our fault?” when refugees who manage to escape the devastation perish whilst fleeing.

Facking pathetic and facking callous, tbh.
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Could you give an example of the British Government doing this outside of wartime?
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if entire towns and cities are being levelled, doesn't that count as wartime?
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OK, any example then.
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well for example....I've seen it reported that Britain is the leading provider of aerial surveillance to Israel in Gaza.
But the UK also played a major part in encouraging the war to overthrow the government in Syria.
It was also directly involved in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It was also directly involved in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Wars then.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 57 seconds ago
It was also directly involved in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Wars then.
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If you feel like you have won the discussion, then I'm very happy for you.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
When did we last bomb Pakistan or Eritrea?
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Eritrea of all the examples to pick

I’d do a little reading about what Italy did to Eritrea, then Britain (to both Eritrea and Ethiopia), and then about the use of forced labour by, for example (and this is only one example of across industries of human rights abuses and gross economic exploitation), British and German mining companies.

Or if you can’t be bothered Googling it, I’ll give you the snappy version:

Multiple British governments *since the turn of the century* have facilitated access for British companies to do deals with a corrupt and authoritarian regime in Eritrea, which have resulted in said companies using forced labour and extracting every drop of wealth which could be squeezed from Eritrean natural resources, bringing it out of the country and into the pockets of European shareholders.

I work with a couple of Eritreans, they were allowed to settle here because of religious persecution as they’re Christians.

Their main gripe is that Muslim Eriitreans are ‘converting’ to Christianity to gain entry then reverting to Islam once they’ve been processed

I could be bothered googling it, Britain has had no involvement with Eritrea since 1952.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
I could be bothered googling it, Britain has had no involvement with Eritrea since 1952.
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Did you miss the bit about both the government and British companies being involved in establishing forced labour practices and massive wealth extraction?

On the other issue mentioned, it seems quite likely, that there are probably millions of educated and/or compassionate citizens of the UK who hold views that they are passionate about, which if they wrote them down would be illegal and subject to imprisonment.
I don't think that can be right. Particularly in a country whose government pontificates to the world about the virtues of liberty, democracy and the free world.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
I could be bothered googling it, Britain has had no involvement with Eritrea since 1952.
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Also, do you think it’s right for colonising and imperialist nations to fack over already impoverished, struggling-to-develop countries politically and socially, then just walk away having left them with sectarianism (you might want to ask those Eritreans you know about how religious segregation was established in Eritrea… ), broken bureaucracies, and brutal, authoritarian regimes?

Just wash their hands? “Whatever happens now isn’t our fault…”

I think most people now recognise that Britain (and other colonial powers) carries not inconsiderable responsibility for what has happened in Palestine since 1945. Well, that isn’t the only part of the world we completely sabotaged politically in the post-war era.

Eritrea is a textbook example.

The irony is that Britain of the 1940s did not support an Israeli state. They didn't support Israel's declaration of independence, and since the mid 30s had tried to limit migration from Europe to Palestine. Britain came very close to armed confrontation with Israel during its early days.

comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
I could be bothered googling it, Britain has had no involvement with Eritrea since 1952.
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Also, do you think it’s right for colonising and imperialist nations to fack over already impoverished, struggling-to-develop countries politically and socially, then just walk away having left them with sectarianism (you might want to ask those Eritreans you know about how religious segregation was established in Eritrea… ), broken bureaucracies, and brutal, authoritarian regimes?

Just wash their hands? “Whatever happens now isn’t our fault…”

I think most people now recognise that Britain (and other colonial powers) carries not inconsiderable responsibility for what has happened in Palestine since 1945. Well, that isn’t the only part of the world we completely sabotaged politically in the post-war era.

Eritrea is a textbook example.
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We had a brief period of post-war administration over 70 years ago, I’m more than happy to wash my hands of it when it comes to allotting responsibility for present day problems

I also think we should be making it easier for Afghans to settle if they worked for us during the conflict

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by EVERYTHING’S POTE! (U17054)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
I could be bothered googling it, Britain has had no involvement with Eritrea since 1952.
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Also, do you think it’s right for colonising and imperialist nations to fack over already impoverished, struggling-to-develop countries politically and socially, then just walk away having left them with sectarianism (you might want to ask those Eritreans you know about how religious segregation was established in Eritrea… ), broken bureaucracies, and brutal, authoritarian regimes?

Just wash their hands? “Whatever happens now isn’t our fault…”

I think most people now recognise that Britain (and other colonial powers) carries not inconsiderable responsibility for what has happened in Palestine since 1945. Well, that isn’t the only part of the world we completely sabotaged politically in the post-war era.

Eritrea is a textbook example.
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We had a brief period of post-war administration over 70 years ago, I’m more than happy to wash my hands of it when it comes to allotting responsibility for present day problems
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You can wash your hands all you want. Doesn't change the facts.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted about 3 hours ago
I also think we should be making it easier for Afghans to settle if they worked for us during the conflict
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Oh, that should go a long way in helping fix the ruination we delivered on their country.

Isn't one of the major reasons Africa is often so unstable because the Europeans drew a load of poorly planned lines on a map as they divvied it up between themselves?