comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
4. It is inefficient to treat all immigrants as one category, for the purposes of identifying cost savings.
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Immigrants are not treated as one category. They are classified like everyone else and pay classified taxes and bands like everyone else.
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GO TO
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comment by Boycott THFC (U23088)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
4. It is inefficient to treat all immigrants as one category, for the purposes of identifying cost savings.
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Immigrants are not treated as one category. They are classified like everyone else and pay classified taxes and bands like everyone else.
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previous post by person arguing the same principles as you but who said the opposite on this point but which you have not taken issue with

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Who cares. Only the facts matter, not what was said. Clearly you don't even know what you're talking about, or your ass from your elbow.

You should do your own deep research on issues before coming to half baked conclusions based on what another pister said or what you get on your Internet feeds.

What he’s proposing is illegal 😂

comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Boycott THFC (U23088)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 41 seconds ago
I do not believe that halting welfare payments to non citizens would result in a substantial loss of highly skilled workers moving to the UK.
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Even if this was true, what would be the benefit though? How much would we save and why should we do it apart from stopping immigrants from coming here?
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How do I know how much we would save ffs
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Because they arre your own proposals. What is the point or benefit of doing anything you've suggested apart from wasting money and hurting the economy?
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Trying to have a conversation with you people is like being in a farce.

I've expressed a contrary opinion to the poster who raised the issue, and to others who've followed.

There is no means of having a rational discussion on here if you express a dissenting view, so I just leave my opinion on the table there as it stands. It's of no consequence one way or the other anyway.

So your excuse for talking utter excrement is that you were just following another person's lead instead of remaining factual and grounded?

Why am I not surprised?

Explains a lot actually.

comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 13 seconds ago
So your excuse for talking utter excrement is that you were just following another person's lead instead of remaining factual and grounded?

Why am I not surprised?

Explains a lot actually.
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I haven't made an excuse for anything. I'm not sure whose lead you assert I am following either.

I've expressed a view that the policy which other posters are objecting to, is in my view worth looking at. I have not seen any reasoning expressed on here to satisfy me that the policy suggestion is without merit.

I'm not going to remove that view on the basis that I haven't convinced those who are expressing the alternative view, if that's what you are expecting?

comment by Boycott THFC (U23088)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 39 seconds ago
To audit which immigrants are taking out more than they are putting in.
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Yes, but in what level of detail?

As before, you aren't going to set a policy for each an every person.

I don't agree that it would cost more to get someone to have a look at identifying categories of immigrant who bring more in and categories who take more out, than could be saved from having the information and devising a policy accordingly.

But in any case, as I say, I don't see scrapping welfare payments to immigrants as having a big effect on who comes to the country and who doesn't anyway. If anything I'd have thought it would have the effect of discouraging those (if any) who come for the welfare benefits.

I'm happy to look at scraping welfare payments for non citizens.

I'm happy to look at identifying other cost saving or revenue generating policies, and policies which generate other beneficial effects on the country and on individuals, based on particular categories of non citizens.
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It would need to go into grate detail to work out which are contributing more than they’re taking it. You’d need to audit millions of people to get a comprehensive answer to this question to then try and work a policy around it.

It would cost billions to do.

You’d be looking at auditing decades worth of data for millions of people. HMRC would collapse.

expressed a view that the policy which other posters are objecting to, is in my view worth looking at. I have not seen any reasoning expressed on here to satisfy me that the policy suggestion is without merit
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You gotta be kidding me. You've provided literally nothing to support your proposals, which have been sufficiently critiqued just now.

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Dad, why is my name ‘2025 summer transfer window?’ (U6374)
posted 59 minutes ago
Not sure who this guy is, but can see why he’s filtered.
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Another day, another burner account. When put on the spot, tries to switch direction and obfuscate.
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According to Darren and 4za it's not a burner account but someone called "J" who must not be confused for a WUM

comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
expressed a view that the policy which other posters are objecting to, is in my view worth looking at. I have not seen any reasoning expressed on here to satisfy me that the policy suggestion is without merit
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You gotta be kidding me. You've provided literally nothing to support your proposals, which have been sufficiently critiqued just now.
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In the absence of me providing anything to support my "proposals", what it is that you are now expecting me to do?

comment by Boycott THFC (U23088)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
expressed a view that the policy which other posters are objecting to, is in my view worth looking at. I have not seen any reasoning expressed on here to satisfy me that the policy suggestion is without merit
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You gotta be kidding me. You've provided literally nothing to support your proposals, which have been sufficiently critiqued just now.
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In the absence of me providing anything to support my "proposals", what it is that you are now expecting me to do?
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Start school.

It's never too late.

Any other playground insults?

If you have never contributed to the National tax take you should be banned forever from Wetherspoons.

comment by Boycott THFC (U23088)
posted 3 minutes ago
Any other playground insults?

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Depends on whether you have any other stoopid questions.

Reform likely to raise Kent council tax after cost-cutting drive falters

But Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

“We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited.

“Everyone thought we’d come in and there were going to be these huge costs we could cut away but there just aren’t,” said a third senior Reform cabinet member in Kent.
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Incredibly funny Reform councillors are realising there actually isn't millions of pounds wasted by councils, that you could save with some good old fashioned common sense.

comment by Boycott THFC (U23088)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
expressed a view that the policy which other posters are objecting to, is in my view worth looking at. I have not seen any reasoning expressed on here to satisfy me that the policy suggestion is without merit
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You gotta be kidding me. You've provided literally nothing to support your proposals, which have been sufficiently critiqued just now.
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In the absence of me providing anything to support my "proposals", what it is that you are now expecting me to do?
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Why did you want to know on what ground my wife obtained ILR?

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
If you have never contributed to the National tax take you should be banned forever from Wetherspoons.
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They’d got bust.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
If you have never contributed to the National tax take you should be banned forever from Wetherspoons.
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They’d got bust.
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I’d heartily endorse that policy 😂

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boycott THFC (U23088)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
expressed a view that the policy which other posters are objecting to, is in my view worth looking at. I have not seen any reasoning expressed on here to satisfy me that the policy suggestion is without merit
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You gotta be kidding me. You've provided literally nothing to support your proposals, which have been sufficiently critiqued just now.
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In the absence of me providing anything to support my "proposals", what it is that you are now expecting me to do?
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Why did you want to know on what ground my wife obtained ILR?
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You demanded that I give you an opinion on whether your wife should receive benefits, and I asked in response for information which seemed could be relevant.

In December 2024, the median earnings of people who had a UK or non-EU nationality when they first registered for a national insurance number was similar, *while EU employees’ earnings were higher*.

Median yearly earnings of employees in the UK:

EU nationals: £31,100
Non-EU: £30,000
UK nationals: £29,600

So EU nationals in higher-skilled jobs, earning more, paying more tax, paying more NI.

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Then from KPMG: The Brexit effect on EU nationals

'Younger, better qualified and higher-paid people are
more likely to be mulling an exit, raising the risk of a
brain drain. Half of respondents with PhDs and 39% with postgraduate degrees are thinking about leaving.

Equally, the likelihood of leaving rose the higher people’s income. Over half (52%) of those earning £50,000-£100,000 said they would leave or were thinking about it. Eleven percent of 18-24 year olds said they had already decided to leave...

A perception that British society has changed is the
main reason people are thinking about leaving, or not
coming in the first place. Half of those surveyed in the UK said they felt less welcomed and valued here, followed by factors based on feelings or principle.

In Europe, of those who said they wouldn’t move to the UK, a fear that Britons weren’t welcoming was uppermost in their minds.'

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Introduce what people see as hostile, anti-immigration policy which discriminates against foreign nationals in a way that other developed countries don't, and guess what? People are going to be less likely to want to make your country their home. Including the best and brightest which the UK should be seeking to attract.

comment by Boycott THFC (U23088)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boycott THFC (U23088)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
expressed a view that the policy which other posters are objecting to, is in my view worth looking at. I have not seen any reasoning expressed on here to satisfy me that the policy suggestion is without merit
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You gotta be kidding me. You've provided literally nothing to support your proposals, which have been sufficiently critiqued just now.
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In the absence of me providing anything to support my "proposals", what it is that you are now expecting me to do?
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Why did you want to know on what ground my wife obtained ILR?
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You demanded that I give you an opinion on whether your wife should receive benefits, and I asked in response for information which seemed could be relevant.
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Every permanent resident of the UK should be entitled to exactly the same benefits.

I've said all I want to say on the topic.
I'm not particularly interested in it anyway.
Just don't agree, or have enough information to conclude, that the policy is a ridiculous suggestion, let alone that it represents some kind of new low for UK politics.

comment by Boycott THFC (U23088)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boycott THFC (U23088)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
expressed a view that the policy which other posters are objecting to, is in my view worth looking at. I have not seen any reasoning expressed on here to satisfy me that the policy suggestion is without merit
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You gotta be kidding me. You've provided literally nothing to support your proposals, which have been sufficiently critiqued just now.
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In the absence of me providing anything to support my "proposals", what it is that you are now expecting me to do?
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Why did you want to know on what ground my wife obtained ILR?
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You demanded that I give you an opinion on whether your wife should receive benefits, and I asked in response for information which seemed could be relevant.
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For the third time, I asked, I didn’t demand.

Why do you think the way my wife obtains her ILR is relevant as to whether you believe she should receive maternity allowance?

It’s your position, if you don’t want to explain it or clarify it, that’s up to you.