To be fair to Celtic at least they tried to have a go and play the way you play normally against the likes of PSG.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 56 seconds ago
The CL is pretty good how it is now though, the 2 group stages trial was an awful mess but as it is is the best way if a group stage has to happen.
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The issue with the format is you can have an off day in the group stage knowing you have 5 more games to qualify from the group. You can't do that in the knockout rounds, you need to be at your best all of the time to qualify.
Look at Sevilla as an example. If the CL was a knockout round and they drew Spartak, they clearly had an off day in Russia, losing 5-1 and only won 2-1 at home so would have gone out in that circumstance. But with the group stage, they know they are going to take 4-6 points off a minnow like Maribor and they'd have probably expected to beat Liverpool at home as well. They knew they had enough in the group stage.
Qarabag put up a good account of themselves too.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
To be fair to Celtic at least they tried to have a go and play the way you play normally against the likes of PSG.
------------------------------------------------------------------------That's a negative not a positive.
Shows the manager is a one trick pony and was too stupid to realise what would happen if he wasn't pragmatic.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 37 seconds ago
The CL is pretty good how it is now though, the 2 group stages trial was an awful mess but as it is is the best way if a group stage has to happen.
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Group stages are good to mix it up, Out of our group roma were probably third favourites, but atletico didn't even get through.
Chelsea a few years back didn't qualify with 10 points which has been enough in every other group every other year I think.
Man utd didn't qualify out the group once too I believe.
Mixes it up. Not as easy as some people make out
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Boring though
Just make it a competition for teams who have won it 5 times or more
Last place in the PL gets about as much as the winner of the CL.
The English League has nothing to complain about
Even if you do make the CL an onlu knockout tournament between the champions of each league then you'll still get the same teams qualifying from the European Leagues...so what's changing really?
Other than the format?
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the Mané - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
Just make it a competition for teams who have won it 5 times or more
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why, so madrid or AC milan could win it every year? wouldn't be very fun would it.
comment by The Post Nearly Man and who's army? (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 37 seconds ago
The CL is pretty good how it is now though, the 2 group stages trial was an awful mess but as it is is the best way if a group stage has to happen.
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Group stages are good to mix it up, Out of our group roma were probably third favourites, but atletico didn't even get through.
Chelsea a few years back didn't qualify with 10 points which has been enough in every other group every other year I think.
Man utd didn't qualify out the group once too I believe.
Mixes it up. Not as easy as some people make out
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Boring though
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Doesn't really mix it up, makes it lower quality.
Like you say, Chelsea went out on 10 points and all of Chelsea, Roma and Atletico got drawn in the same group as well as Spurs, Real Madrid and Dortmund and then there is a group like Monaco, RB Leipzig, FC Porto and Besiktas? Fair play to the latter for qualifying, but both Dortmund and Atletico would stand more of a chance in the knockouts imo. But fair enough for not earning their place.
At the same time though, CSKA Moscow went out on 9 points this year when Sevilla went through on 9 points and they only won 2 games. Winning 2/6 games and managing to go through whilst others go out on the same number of points? Unfair really.
What needs to be done isn't tampering with the CL format, it's player wage caps, its not rocket science.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 seconds ago
What needs to be done isn't tampering with the CL format, it's player wage caps, its not rocket science.
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Societal wage/earnings caps, not just for players
Ah man, dont turn this into a Communism vs Capitalism thread
comment by Firmino Can Karius {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last place in the PL gets about as much as the winner of the CL.
The English League has nothing to complain about
Even if you do make the CL an onlu knockout tournament between the champions of each league then you'll still get the same teams qualifying from the European Leagues...so what's changing really?
Other than the format?
-------------------------------------------
For a start, it gives the minnows a better chance of progressing further and earning more money and potentially better players in the process.
Teams like Celtic and Anderlecht stand no chance in a group of PSG and Bayern and APOEL stood no chance in Spurs' group either really on paper. But in an unseeded knockout draw, they could get anybody. They could get 2 teams of similar quality and qualify and get to the QF potentially one season. Or they could draw Real Madrid straight away and go out, who knows.
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 seconds ago
What needs to be done isn't tampering with the CL format, it's player wage caps, its not rocket science.
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Societal wage/earnings caps, not just for players
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Don't let the workers take home the cash they generated. Let the owners keep it
comment by Firmino Can Karius {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 45 seconds ago
Ah man, dont turn this into a Communism vs Capitalism thread
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Too late
Ron
http://uk.businessinsider.com/stockton-california-launching-the-first-us-experiment-in-basic-income-2017-10
comment by Firmino Can Karius {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 1 minute ago
Ah man, dont turn this into a Communism vs Capitalism thread
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All in favour of capitalism, but there are clubs illegally doping by spending more money than they actually generate, the game is fkd.
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
To be fair to Celtic at least they tried to have a go and play the way you play normally against the likes of PSG.
------------------------------------------------------------------------That's a negative not a positive.
Shows the manager is a one trick pony and was too stupid to realise what would happen if he wasn't pragmatic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No completley disagree, he has a way of playing and wants his team to challenge themselves at the highest level. They got well beaten but tried to play their game.
Why would this massively watched, money generating feast of footballs greatest stars want to model their competition on the Carabao Cup?
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Firmino Can Karius {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last place in the PL gets about as much as the winner of the CL.
The English League has nothing to complain about
Even if you do make the CL an onlu knockout tournament between the champions of each league then you'll still get the same teams qualifying from the European Leagues...so what's changing really?
Other than the format?
-------------------------------------------
For a start, it gives the minnows a better chance of progressing further and earning more money and potentially better players in the process.
Teams like Celtic and Anderlecht stand no chance in a group of PSG and Bayern and APOEL stood no chance in Spurs' group either really on paper. But in an unseeded knockout draw, they could get anybody. They could get 2 teams of similar quality and qualify and get to the QF potentially one season. Or they could draw Real Madrid straight away and go out, who knows.
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So the smaller teams can up their game for a straight knockout but the bigger teams are still going to come with a relaxed attitude?
Not exactly, depends on the draw. A knockout round means you have to be at your best all the time. In a group stage on 6 games, you can probably afford an off day and still qualify if they are good enough, much like Sevilla.
Clearly had an off day against Spartak away losing 5-1 but still managed to qualify. In a knockout round, if you lose 5-1 then 9/10 your more than likely going to be eliminated.
What needs to be done isn't tampering with the CL format, it's player wage caps, its not rocket science.
================================
No. this does not need to happen at all.
Other clubs shouldn't have to suffer because no ones interested in watching the Scottish league and they dont get any tv money.
fortunately this will never happen.
Stretty.
Take your head out your huge arze and see the bigger picture ffs, it's not just Scotland that suffers from the financial doping. Your team generates money from being one of the biggest in the world, PSG/City for example are supported by non-football related investors.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Firmino Can Karius {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last place in the PL gets about as much as the winner of the CL.
The English League has nothing to complain about
Even if you do make the CL an onlu knockout tournament between the champions of each league then you'll still get the same teams qualifying from the European Leagues...so what's changing really?
Other than the format?
-------------------------------------------
For a start, it gives the minnows a better chance of progressing further and earning more money and potentially better players in the process.
Teams like Celtic and Anderlecht stand no chance in a group of PSG and Bayern and APOEL stood no chance in Spurs' group either really on paper. But in an unseeded knockout draw, they could get anybody. They could get 2 teams of similar quality and qualify and get to the QF potentially one season. Or they could draw Real Madrid straight away and go out, who knows.
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why would that mean more money? with groups they are guaranteed 3 games at home, $$$$
If a team like APOEL/Celtic go through 2 rounds before being eliminated, that's still going to be 2 home fixtures as well as prize money for winning and qualifying for a certain round as well. Not to mention TV money.
Obviously that means nothing to a global superpower team, but it might do when it comes to attracting the better quality players for both of them clubs potentially.
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posted on 7/12/17
To be fair to Celtic at least they tried to have a go and play the way you play normally against the likes of PSG.
posted on 7/12/17
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 56 seconds ago
The CL is pretty good how it is now though, the 2 group stages trial was an awful mess but as it is is the best way if a group stage has to happen.
-----------------------------------------------------------
The issue with the format is you can have an off day in the group stage knowing you have 5 more games to qualify from the group. You can't do that in the knockout rounds, you need to be at your best all of the time to qualify.
Look at Sevilla as an example. If the CL was a knockout round and they drew Spartak, they clearly had an off day in Russia, losing 5-1 and only won 2-1 at home so would have gone out in that circumstance. But with the group stage, they know they are going to take 4-6 points off a minnow like Maribor and they'd have probably expected to beat Liverpool at home as well. They knew they had enough in the group stage.
posted on 7/12/17
Qarabag put up a good account of themselves too.
posted on 7/12/17
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
To be fair to Celtic at least they tried to have a go and play the way you play normally against the likes of PSG.
------------------------------------------------------------------------That's a negative not a positive.
Shows the manager is a one trick pony and was too stupid to realise what would happen if he wasn't pragmatic.
posted on 7/12/17
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 37 seconds ago
The CL is pretty good how it is now though, the 2 group stages trial was an awful mess but as it is is the best way if a group stage has to happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Group stages are good to mix it up, Out of our group roma were probably third favourites, but atletico didn't even get through.
Chelsea a few years back didn't qualify with 10 points which has been enough in every other group every other year I think.
Man utd didn't qualify out the group once too I believe.
Mixes it up. Not as easy as some people make out
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Boring though
posted on 7/12/17
Just make it a competition for teams who have won it 5 times or more
posted on 7/12/17
Last place in the PL gets about as much as the winner of the CL.
The English League has nothing to complain about
Even if you do make the CL an onlu knockout tournament between the champions of each league then you'll still get the same teams qualifying from the European Leagues...so what's changing really?
Other than the format?
posted on 7/12/17
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the Mané - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
Just make it a competition for teams who have won it 5 times or more
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why, so madrid or AC milan could win it every year? wouldn't be very fun would it.
posted on 7/12/17
comment by The Post Nearly Man and who's army? (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 37 seconds ago
The CL is pretty good how it is now though, the 2 group stages trial was an awful mess but as it is is the best way if a group stage has to happen.
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Group stages are good to mix it up, Out of our group roma were probably third favourites, but atletico didn't even get through.
Chelsea a few years back didn't qualify with 10 points which has been enough in every other group every other year I think.
Man utd didn't qualify out the group once too I believe.
Mixes it up. Not as easy as some people make out
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Boring though
----------------------------------------------
Doesn't really mix it up, makes it lower quality.
Like you say, Chelsea went out on 10 points and all of Chelsea, Roma and Atletico got drawn in the same group as well as Spurs, Real Madrid and Dortmund and then there is a group like Monaco, RB Leipzig, FC Porto and Besiktas? Fair play to the latter for qualifying, but both Dortmund and Atletico would stand more of a chance in the knockouts imo. But fair enough for not earning their place.
At the same time though, CSKA Moscow went out on 9 points this year when Sevilla went through on 9 points and they only won 2 games. Winning 2/6 games and managing to go through whilst others go out on the same number of points? Unfair really.
posted on 7/12/17
What needs to be done isn't tampering with the CL format, it's player wage caps, its not rocket science.
posted on 7/12/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 seconds ago
What needs to be done isn't tampering with the CL format, it's player wage caps, its not rocket science.
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Societal wage/earnings caps, not just for players
posted on 7/12/17
Ah man, dont turn this into a Communism vs Capitalism thread
posted on 7/12/17
comment by Firmino Can Karius {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last place in the PL gets about as much as the winner of the CL.
The English League has nothing to complain about
Even if you do make the CL an onlu knockout tournament between the champions of each league then you'll still get the same teams qualifying from the European Leagues...so what's changing really?
Other than the format?
-------------------------------------------
For a start, it gives the minnows a better chance of progressing further and earning more money and potentially better players in the process.
Teams like Celtic and Anderlecht stand no chance in a group of PSG and Bayern and APOEL stood no chance in Spurs' group either really on paper. But in an unseeded knockout draw, they could get anybody. They could get 2 teams of similar quality and qualify and get to the QF potentially one season. Or they could draw Real Madrid straight away and go out, who knows.
posted on 7/12/17
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 seconds ago
What needs to be done isn't tampering with the CL format, it's player wage caps, its not rocket science.
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Societal wage/earnings caps, not just for players
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Don't let the workers take home the cash they generated. Let the owners keep it
posted on 7/12/17
comment by Firmino Can Karius {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 45 seconds ago
Ah man, dont turn this into a Communism vs Capitalism thread
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Too late
posted on 7/12/17
Ron
http://uk.businessinsider.com/stockton-california-launching-the-first-us-experiment-in-basic-income-2017-10
posted on 7/12/17
comment by Firmino Can Karius {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 1 minute ago
Ah man, dont turn this into a Communism vs Capitalism thread
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All in favour of capitalism, but there are clubs illegally doping by spending more money than they actually generate, the game is fkd.
posted on 7/12/17
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
To be fair to Celtic at least they tried to have a go and play the way you play normally against the likes of PSG.
------------------------------------------------------------------------That's a negative not a positive.
Shows the manager is a one trick pony and was too stupid to realise what would happen if he wasn't pragmatic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No completley disagree, he has a way of playing and wants his team to challenge themselves at the highest level. They got well beaten but tried to play their game.
posted on 7/12/17
Why would this massively watched, money generating feast of footballs greatest stars want to model their competition on the Carabao Cup?
posted on 7/12/17
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Firmino Can Karius {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last place in the PL gets about as much as the winner of the CL.
The English League has nothing to complain about
Even if you do make the CL an onlu knockout tournament between the champions of each league then you'll still get the same teams qualifying from the European Leagues...so what's changing really?
Other than the format?
-------------------------------------------
For a start, it gives the minnows a better chance of progressing further and earning more money and potentially better players in the process.
Teams like Celtic and Anderlecht stand no chance in a group of PSG and Bayern and APOEL stood no chance in Spurs' group either really on paper. But in an unseeded knockout draw, they could get anybody. They could get 2 teams of similar quality and qualify and get to the QF potentially one season. Or they could draw Real Madrid straight away and go out, who knows.
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So the smaller teams can up their game for a straight knockout but the bigger teams are still going to come with a relaxed attitude?
posted on 7/12/17
Not exactly, depends on the draw. A knockout round means you have to be at your best all the time. In a group stage on 6 games, you can probably afford an off day and still qualify if they are good enough, much like Sevilla.
Clearly had an off day against Spartak away losing 5-1 but still managed to qualify. In a knockout round, if you lose 5-1 then 9/10 your more than likely going to be eliminated.
posted on 7/12/17
What needs to be done isn't tampering with the CL format, it's player wage caps, its not rocket science.
================================
No. this does not need to happen at all.
Other clubs shouldn't have to suffer because no ones interested in watching the Scottish league and they dont get any tv money.
fortunately this will never happen.
posted on 7/12/17
Stretty.
Take your head out your huge arze and see the bigger picture ffs, it's not just Scotland that suffers from the financial doping. Your team generates money from being one of the biggest in the world, PSG/City for example are supported by non-football related investors.
posted on 7/12/17
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Firmino Can Karius {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 4 minutes ago
Last place in the PL gets about as much as the winner of the CL.
The English League has nothing to complain about
Even if you do make the CL an onlu knockout tournament between the champions of each league then you'll still get the same teams qualifying from the European Leagues...so what's changing really?
Other than the format?
-------------------------------------------
For a start, it gives the minnows a better chance of progressing further and earning more money and potentially better players in the process.
Teams like Celtic and Anderlecht stand no chance in a group of PSG and Bayern and APOEL stood no chance in Spurs' group either really on paper. But in an unseeded knockout draw, they could get anybody. They could get 2 teams of similar quality and qualify and get to the QF potentially one season. Or they could draw Real Madrid straight away and go out, who knows.
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why would that mean more money? with groups they are guaranteed 3 games at home, $$$$
posted on 7/12/17
If a team like APOEL/Celtic go through 2 rounds before being eliminated, that's still going to be 2 home fixtures as well as prize money for winning and qualifying for a certain round as well. Not to mention TV money.
Obviously that means nothing to a global superpower team, but it might do when it comes to attracting the better quality players for both of them clubs potentially.
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