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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Got to fancy Spurs to win it this season, what with the way they have scraped through so far.

It is one of those where you have to say that they have their name on it.
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Yeah.... I'm working on the assumption that even though the year doesn't end in 1, we are not playing at the Lane so its anomaly !!!!

comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 5 minutes ago
The one thing that goes against him is an aversion to winning trophies. The smaller club excuse doesn’t wash with me tbh. Other managers have won trophies at smaller clubs.

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you used the exact excuse to bump up Moyes back in the day

With Poch... I think he needs to start producing silverware soon

I think the first couple of years he was more concerned with establishing Spurs in top 4 or contenders for it so prioritised the league.... he's done that now... should be looking to kick on

Spurs fans views are probably more relevant than ours tho... we're used to winning trophies so crave it a bit, they aren't so might be happy with continued champs league status
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There is a balance to be found.

Domestic trophies do not keep your best players. Arsenal losing Sanchez, after winning 3 FA cups and being in another final, is testament to that, despite being very good wage payers.

We have not had the luxury of building the stadium from a position of strength like Arsenal, or being gifted one like City. We have to cut our cloth accordingly, so until.we are in a position to challenge on multiple fronts* then league > cups is how it is.


*I think that time is now, incidentally

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comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
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comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
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Spurs for me are 3rd favourites for the cup.
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We have the 3rd highest wage bill of the teams left in the cup so thats fair enough.
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Wage bill 😹

Stupid excuse. Spurs fans delight in saying how good they are. It’s a weak mentality to hide behind a wage bill. If the players went on to the pitch thinking their lower wages meant they should be underdogs then that’s the battle lost
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Absolute rot, in what other league would the team with the 6th highest wage bill (a long way 6th) be called trophy dodgers?

It does make me laugh but doesn't shock me that rather than getting the plaudits we should from opposing fans we get this rubbish.
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Don't agree.... as of last season 2016-2017 (Thats before deals for Sanchez, Matic, Kyle Walker, PEA Etc. The gulf in wages between the Top 4 spenders who BTW have won 85% of the major domestic trophies in the past decade and everyone else is huge.. City 225Mln, United 225mln, Chelsea 218mln, Arsenal 201mln...... Spurs 121mln. Yes granted we are ahead of the likes of West Ham, Saints but not by a comparable percentage. Spurs are basically where they should be ! Don't get me wrong I have no problem with it, Its not against the rules so fair play. But taking credit for spending money, Blowing everyone else away with salaries and buying trophies just seems pointless. Look at it this way.. what what United's and City's teams/ trophy haul look like over recent years with a salary spend of 150mln.... Very different I suspect. There are only so many trophies to go around and its not an even playing field.,.. Its just the way it is. Its exactly the same in France, Spain, Germany etc
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Look at Man United last season...basically got to March/April time and threw all their eggs into the Europa League basket and came 6th in the league. All their wealth and resources and still had to prioritise a cup their fans would in most years turn their nose up at.

I can see Arsenal doing something similar. Utds resources are twice that of Spurs, and Arsenal earn £2m more matchday revenue per game than Spurs in old WHL.

Spurs are not alone in prioritising certain comps and having to change up their team and fully utilise their squad.

comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 13 minutes ago
When I made a comment yesterday about Utd's best 11 being uninspiring, Robb had a hissy fit about that sort of thing being wummery and designed to rile Utd fans and nothing more. Then he writes an article like this. I have no objection to this article at all, but it just goes to show the sheer hypocracy of a guy who I'd say is widely regarded as being the biggest clown on this forum.

Poch has been a manager for 8 years, half that time spent with Espanyol and Southampton, two clubs without the resources to be competing for trophies save a bit of a shock cup win. He's been at Spurs 3 full seasons, the first season was spent getting rid of the crap left over by AVB/Baldini and bringing his own players and philosophy in. We did make a League Cup final that season but were beaten by Chelsea. We've been in a bit disappointing in domestic cups and Europa under Poch, but nowhere near the levels those that want to wum would have you believe. Poch has exceeded expectations by getting Spurs finishing 3rd then 2nd in the face of other clubs massively outspending him, hence the 'where's the trophies' comments. It's still relatively early days, we're just a bit ahead of schedule.
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Spot on mate.....I think it would be fair to assume that Had Poch had salary spend/ transfer budget comparable with the biggest 4 then he would have won something....In fact he might just win something this year without it.. Fingers crossed. When it happens it will be that much sweeter

When I made a comment yesterday about Utd's best 11 being uninspiring, Robb had a hissy fit about that sort of thing being wummery and designed to rile Utd fans and nothing more.

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Robb has a hissy fit every time you go against anything he says on here.

You should know that by now.

I think it would be fair to assume that Had Poch had salary spend/ transfer budget comparable with the biggest 4 then he would have won something

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Yes, probably, but that didn't deter Martinez and Ranieri in recent years.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 minutes ago
I think it would be fair to assume that Had Poch had salary spend/ transfer budget comparable with the biggest 4 then he would have won something

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Yes, probably, but that didn't deter Martinez and Ranieri in recent years.
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Martinez relegated Wigan, and Leicester soon sacked Ranieri.

These are outlier events - hardly relevant really.

The aim is to be in a position to consistently challenge for trophies, not to throw everything to winning one and drop like a stone after

Maybe....But u could argue that consecutive 2nd & 3rd place league finishes is just as much of an achievement as a once in blue moon cup win (granted there are no prices for 2nd) but considering the competition it aint bad ???? as for Leicester.. I still don't know how that happened

Leicester still doing fine despite selling some of their star players

Martinez relegated Wigan,

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Martinez won the FA Cup with Wigan.

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and Leicester soon sacked Ranieri

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But not before they won the league with Ranieri.

This is not a difficult point to understand. I am not having a dig at Poch or Spurs here.

But u could argue that consecutive 2nd & 3rd place league finishes is just as much of an achievement as a once in blue moon cup win.

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I really could not.

Sometimes it's easier for clubs lower down the table to win a domestic cup because they don't have as many priorities. For your top clubs it's to try and get into the top 4 or win the league, try and do well in Europe, and try and win a cup. For your average mid-table side it's to avoid relegation with winning a domestic cup a bonus.

Loads of mid-table clubs have reached finals in the past 10 years - Palace, Southampton, Swansea, Hull, Villa, Wigan, Liverpool (when they were mid-table).

Priorities tend to dictate a lot.

DDog, Ledley and Diamondlights

Thanks guys

It seems like the three of you (at least) are all on the same page.

I think that it's a tricky one for the club and the fans: the direct and indirect CL revenue and what that means for both the retention of your top players and attracting others, versus the desire for silverware amongst all parties attached to the club and what a cup win might do for the confidence and experience of the players.

comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 4 minutes ago
Maybe....But u could argue that consecutive 2nd & 3rd place league finishes is just as much of an achievement as a once in blue moon cup win (granted there are no prices for 2nd) but considering the competition it aint bad ???? as for Leicester.. I still don't know how that happened
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I'm not sure I'd put it that way.

I would say that any top three finish for Spurs is a significant achievement considering the resources at their disposal when compared to the rest of the top six.

We know how incredibly, incredibly strong the correlation between wage budget and league position is, and by that measure Spurs have no business finishing in the top four. Poch I think is doing a sterling job.

The only question that really matters is are Spurs fans happy with Poch so far and where he has them going?

Even as a red I can say yes, yes they are.

Trophies are great, everyone wants to win them, however they are not everything in football.

The no trophies isn’t really an issue for me, he’s still doing a brilliant job for Spurs where he is competing with clubs who have greater resources so there is no real reason Spurs and Poch should be winning trophies over these other sides including us.

Pretty much year on year in the PL he has improved the side he manages.

Op, seems very obsessed with Spurs. I think he has a complex over Spurs being the better side. It was embarrassing watching the chasm in class between the two clubs when they met at Wembley a few weeks back.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 27 seconds ago
The only question that really matters is are Spurs fans happy with Poch so far and where he has them going?

Even as a red I can say yes, yes they are.

Trophies are great, everyone wants to win them, however they are not everything in football.
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Yes we are, because there have been significant signs of progress made, that lead us to believe silverware is around the corner.

We get somethign similar Spurtle with Klopp, and essentially I feel the exact same.

If we won no trophies this year I still want him as manager, we likely won't (well Ithink we will win the CL but I'm an eternal optimist ) But there will be articles on here saying he's a trophy dodger etc. and should be fired, same will happen with Poch.

When in reality both sides are much improved under the managers and vast majority of fans are happy.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 12 seconds ago
The only question that really matters is are Spurs fans happy with Poch so far and where he has them going?

Even as a red I can say yes, yes they are.

Trophies are great, everyone wants to win them, however they are not everything in football.
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100% Agree. Id rather watch Spurs week in, week out under Poch playing the type of football we do, trying to make smart signings, developing & improving young players, unearthing stars of the future & growing the club to be the best it can be without the need the need for Oil money or having to to bent over by the likes an Ozil, Pogba, Sanchez (& their 5cumb@g agents) Or having to watch turgid Jose Hoofball & the pathetic excuses that follow. If that comes with a trophy then great, if not... I'll live.. Its only a game. I'm happy when we win & pi55ed when we lose. I think its an exciting time to be a Spurs fan & I don't need "purchased" trophies to justify it

Winning trophies is good, or that used to be the case for the best part of the 20th century, where they were shared around, lots of different clubs winning different competitions. But now all you get is clubs with all the money hovering up all the trophies, talking about winning trebles and quadruples. Not a level playing field for most clubs these days, with all the money in the hands of just a few clubs.

So the next best thing is try to qualify for the CL, which frankly has taken over from winning trophies, and is deemed a lot more prestigious than winning any trophy other than the CL itself.

I myself would prefer a trophy, but I realise the modern game is all about the money now, so just have to go with the flow.

Wasn't this debated recently?

It is quite rare for a club outside the big spenders to win the FA Cup or the league, so expecting Poch to win a trophy with his budget is unreasonable in my view.

Doesn't make it impossible, but equally doesn't make it a failure.

His Tottenham side consistently overachieve and play a brand of football that most fans would enjoy. He gets the best out of his squad and Spurs are understandably keen to sign him up for the long term.

Would he progress and achieve as much in relative terms with a bigger club, with a bigger budget?

No one knows.

But I know I'd be very happy to see him try at United.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 minutes ago
We get somethign similar Spurtle with Klopp, and essentially I feel the exact same.

If we won no trophies this year I still want him as manager, we likely won't (well Ithink we will win the CL but I'm an eternal optimist) But there will be articles on here saying he's a trophy dodger etc. and should be fired, same will happen with Poch.

When in reality both sides are much improved under the managers and vast majority of fans are happy.
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What was the last trophy Liverpool won?

Not on the wind up here, genuinely asking. I'm thinking the FA cup in 2006 but surely it can't have been that long?