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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
One question I do have on this subject is why we sent foreign aid to India, for example, when they have a space programme?
Something seems a little wrong with that scenario.
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Most likely for defence spending leverage.
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but wouldnt the money just go to defence companies..
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 44 seconds ago
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39658907
Let’s be honest, the people who have a problem with Foreign Aid are generally racist Brexiters and the problem they have is the word FOREIGN.
It’s 0.7 GDP a paltry amount ffs and the least we can do.
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Tell families struggling to eat in cities around the UK 14bn is a paltry amount and that the least we can do is send it abroad where only 25% reaches its intended target.
Sorry you've paid taxes for 20 years but are no unemployed and can't feed you family, don't feel top bad though only 10bn of the 14bn we donate is snaffled up through corruption.
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Out of interest, are you as passionately opposed to the Thatcherite economic consensus of keeping taxation and spending low in order to make the UK 'business-friendly' as you are to the foreign aid budget?
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 1 minute ago
#SCRAPTRIDENT there’s £40B to play with right there.
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2bn per year saved from Trident, lets do that and stop foreign aid then we have 16bn a year to fix the big issues at home.
only 25% of foreign aid gets to its target.
You's are condoning throwing away 10bn to corrupt officials.
"where only 25% reaches its intended target"
I'm generally in favour and I've no idea what the verifiable figure is in relation to this, but it is the element of foreign aid that concerns me the most.
I've worked in Africa and know first hand that so much of Western money being pumped in comes straight out again, never reaching its intended target.
Very sad.
Feck off OP. Compare the foreign aid benefits and costs vs not paying out for them.
Also that figure is dwarfed by the amount that goes uncollected through corporate tax avoidance - get your priorities in order
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 44 seconds ago
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39658907
Let’s be honest, the people who have a problem with Foreign Aid are generally racist Brexiters and the problem they have is the word FOREIGN.
It’s 0.7 GDP a paltry amount ffs and the least we can do.
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Tell families struggling to eat in cities around the UK 14bn is a paltry amount and that the least we can do is send it abroad where only 25% reaches its intended target.
Sorry you've paid taxes for 20 years but are no unemployed and can't feed you family, don't feel top bad though only 10bn of the 14bn we donate is snaffled up through corruption.
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Out of interest, are you as passionately opposed to the Thatcherite economic consensus of keeping taxation and spending low in order to make the UK 'business-friendly' as you are to the foreign aid budget?
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No.
Taxation in this country is a huge mess, we need to tax the rich and companies much more across the board. Shut all tax avoidance loopholes.
Properly regulate the banking and housing sectors.
All things that are more important than stopping foreign aid but foreign aid is one of the issues we should be tackling imo.
You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect tonot have to give something back. (Of course the UK are not the only nation to do this)
The reason you have it to give is because you took plenty of it from so many nations over centuries
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
Sorry, what do you mean?
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It's quite often noted that the UK pays foreign aid to India, despite them being able to afford a space programme.
The aid however (as it does elsewhere) is used a leverage to gain favour elsewhere. In procurement for example.
The UK sells a lot of arms around the world and I was essentially speculating the UK pays India foreign aid to secure Indian defence contracts.
It of course might be used for other purposes. But the aid has more of a 'purpose'' than just to look after Indian hardships.
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
Controversial!
Interesting point.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
"where only 25% reaches its intended target"
I'm generally in favour and I've no idea what the verifiable figure is in relation to this, but it is the element of foreign aid that concerns me the most.
I've worked in Africa and know first hand that so much of Western money being pumped in comes straight out again, never reaching its intended target.
Very sad.
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It's from a US study.
An MP recently said that it is the money donated that is pilfered which causes more problems that then 25% relives putting them in a worse position that they would be in without it.
How true that is is debatable but there is certainly an element of truth.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
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Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
France, Belgium just off the top of my head are in a similar situation, like some French people complain about North African immigrant in France, well remember when France decided to colonize these nations, force the local people to speak French, took all their wealth back to France and basically F****d then over for a few 100 years.
Then they wonder why the hell there is a large North African immigrant population in France Jokers
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 1 minute ago
#SCRAPTRIDENT there’s £40B to play with right there.
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2bn per year saved from Trident, lets do that and stop foreign aid then we have 16bn a year to fix the big issues at home.
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It’s not £14B a year it’s 0.7% GDP which means it goes up and down.
Don’t worry bigots it will be going WAY DOWN after we Brexit. We can starve AND Johnny Forigner can starve.
Everybody’s happy.
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Which was 14bn
Plus it doesn't go up and down it goes up and up.
Calling people bigots for perfectly valid viewpoints is how to ruin a decent debate.
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 44 seconds ago
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39658907
Let’s be honest, the people who have a problem with Foreign Aid are generally racist Brexiters and the problem they have is the word FOREIGN.
It’s 0.7 GDP a paltry amount ffs and the least we can do.
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Tell families struggling to eat in cities around the UK 14bn is a paltry amount and that the least we can do is send it abroad where only 25% reaches its intended target.
Sorry you've paid taxes for 20 years but are no unemployed and can't feed you family, don't feel top bad though only 10bn of the 14bn we donate is snaffled up through corruption.
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Out of interest, are you as passionately opposed to the Thatcherite economic consensus of keeping taxation and spending low in order to make the UK 'business-friendly' as you are to the foreign aid budget?
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No.
Taxation in this country is a huge mess, we need to tax the rich and companies much more across the board. Shut all tax avoidance loopholes.
Properly regulate the banking and housing sectors.
All things that are more important than stopping foreign aid
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This
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
Sorry, what do you mean?
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It's quite often noted that the UK pays foreign aid to India, despite them being able to afford a space programme.
The aid however (as it does elsewhere) is used a leverage to gain favour elsewhere. In procurement for example.
The UK sells a lot of arms around the world and I was essentially speculating the UK pays India foreign aid to secure Indian defence contracts.
It of course might be used for other purposes. But the aid has more of a 'purpose'' than just to look after Indian hardships.
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Just give them a discount then. Problem solved.
"we need to tax the rich and companies much more across the board"
I don't agree.
What we need is for those people to actually pay their taxes, in full and in complete fairness.
We also need those people to take some moral responsibility with how they remunerate their workforce.
Of course, this is pie in the sky stuff. Won't happen.
But many business owners do pay their tax in full and do look after their staff, and I assure you, it's not an insignificant amount of money.
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
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Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
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Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
"Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?"
No one is talking about punishing individuals.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
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Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
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Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
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Where does it end then? How far back do you go?
Norway pay us no aid for what the Vikings took.
We need to increase the foreign aid budget so the left can continue to virtue signal.
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posted on 6/4/18
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
One question I do have on this subject is why we sent foreign aid to India, for example, when they have a space programme?
Something seems a little wrong with that scenario.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most likely for defence spending leverage.
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but wouldnt the money just go to defence companies..
posted on 6/4/18
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 44 seconds ago
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39658907
Let’s be honest, the people who have a problem with Foreign Aid are generally racist Brexiters and the problem they have is the word FOREIGN.
It’s 0.7 GDP a paltry amount ffs and the least we can do.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell families struggling to eat in cities around the UK 14bn is a paltry amount and that the least we can do is send it abroad where only 25% reaches its intended target.
Sorry you've paid taxes for 20 years but are no unemployed and can't feed you family, don't feel top bad though only 10bn of the 14bn we donate is snaffled up through corruption.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Out of interest, are you as passionately opposed to the Thatcherite economic consensus of keeping taxation and spending low in order to make the UK 'business-friendly' as you are to the foreign aid budget?
posted on 6/4/18
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 1 minute ago
#SCRAPTRIDENT there’s £40B to play with right there.
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2bn per year saved from Trident, lets do that and stop foreign aid then we have 16bn a year to fix the big issues at home.
posted on 6/4/18
only 25% of foreign aid gets to its target.
You's are condoning throwing away 10bn to corrupt officials.
posted on 6/4/18
"where only 25% reaches its intended target"
I'm generally in favour and I've no idea what the verifiable figure is in relation to this, but it is the element of foreign aid that concerns me the most.
I've worked in Africa and know first hand that so much of Western money being pumped in comes straight out again, never reaching its intended target.
Very sad.
posted on 6/4/18
Feck off OP. Compare the foreign aid benefits and costs vs not paying out for them.
Also that figure is dwarfed by the amount that goes uncollected through corporate tax avoidance - get your priorities in order
posted on 6/4/18
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 44 seconds ago
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39658907
Let’s be honest, the people who have a problem with Foreign Aid are generally racist Brexiters and the problem they have is the word FOREIGN.
It’s 0.7 GDP a paltry amount ffs and the least we can do.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell families struggling to eat in cities around the UK 14bn is a paltry amount and that the least we can do is send it abroad where only 25% reaches its intended target.
Sorry you've paid taxes for 20 years but are no unemployed and can't feed you family, don't feel top bad though only 10bn of the 14bn we donate is snaffled up through corruption.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Out of interest, are you as passionately opposed to the Thatcherite economic consensus of keeping taxation and spending low in order to make the UK 'business-friendly' as you are to the foreign aid budget?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No.
Taxation in this country is a huge mess, we need to tax the rich and companies much more across the board. Shut all tax avoidance loopholes.
Properly regulate the banking and housing sectors.
All things that are more important than stopping foreign aid but foreign aid is one of the issues we should be tackling imo.
posted on 6/4/18
You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect tonot have to give something back. (Of course the UK are not the only nation to do this)
The reason you have it to give is because you took plenty of it from so many nations over centuries
posted on 6/4/18
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 6/4/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
Sorry, what do you mean?
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It's quite often noted that the UK pays foreign aid to India, despite them being able to afford a space programme.
The aid however (as it does elsewhere) is used a leverage to gain favour elsewhere. In procurement for example.
The UK sells a lot of arms around the world and I was essentially speculating the UK pays India foreign aid to secure Indian defence contracts.
It of course might be used for other purposes. But the aid has more of a 'purpose'' than just to look after Indian hardships.
posted on 6/4/18
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
posted on 6/4/18
What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
Controversial!
Interesting point.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
"where only 25% reaches its intended target"
I'm generally in favour and I've no idea what the verifiable figure is in relation to this, but it is the element of foreign aid that concerns me the most.
I've worked in Africa and know first hand that so much of Western money being pumped in comes straight out again, never reaching its intended target.
Very sad.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
It's from a US study.
An MP recently said that it is the money donated that is pilfered which causes more problems that then 25% relives putting them in a worse position that they would be in without it.
How true that is is debatable but there is certainly an element of truth.
posted on 6/4/18
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posted on 6/4/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
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Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
posted on 6/4/18
France, Belgium just off the top of my head are in a similar situation, like some French people complain about North African immigrant in France, well remember when France decided to colonize these nations, force the local people to speak French, took all their wealth back to France and basically F****d then over for a few 100 years.
Then they wonder why the hell there is a large North African immigrant population in France Jokers
posted on 6/4/18
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 1 minute ago
#SCRAPTRIDENT there’s £40B to play with right there.
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2bn per year saved from Trident, lets do that and stop foreign aid then we have 16bn a year to fix the big issues at home.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s not £14B a year it’s 0.7% GDP which means it goes up and down.
Don’t worry bigots it will be going WAY DOWN after we Brexit. We can starve AND Johnny Forigner can starve.
Everybody’s happy.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Which was 14bn
Plus it doesn't go up and down it goes up and up.
Calling people bigots for perfectly valid viewpoints is how to ruin a decent debate.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 44 seconds ago
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39658907
Let’s be honest, the people who have a problem with Foreign Aid are generally racist Brexiters and the problem they have is the word FOREIGN.
It’s 0.7 GDP a paltry amount ffs and the least we can do.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell families struggling to eat in cities around the UK 14bn is a paltry amount and that the least we can do is send it abroad where only 25% reaches its intended target.
Sorry you've paid taxes for 20 years but are no unemployed and can't feed you family, don't feel top bad though only 10bn of the 14bn we donate is snaffled up through corruption.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Out of interest, are you as passionately opposed to the Thatcherite economic consensus of keeping taxation and spending low in order to make the UK 'business-friendly' as you are to the foreign aid budget?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No.
Taxation in this country is a huge mess, we need to tax the rich and companies much more across the board. Shut all tax avoidance loopholes.
Properly regulate the banking and housing sectors.
All things that are more important than stopping foreign aid
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This
posted on 6/4/18
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
Sorry, what do you mean?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's quite often noted that the UK pays foreign aid to India, despite them being able to afford a space programme.
The aid however (as it does elsewhere) is used a leverage to gain favour elsewhere. In procurement for example.
The UK sells a lot of arms around the world and I was essentially speculating the UK pays India foreign aid to secure Indian defence contracts.
It of course might be used for other purposes. But the aid has more of a 'purpose'' than just to look after Indian hardships.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Just give them a discount then. Problem solved.
posted on 6/4/18
"we need to tax the rich and companies much more across the board"
I don't agree.
What we need is for those people to actually pay their taxes, in full and in complete fairness.
We also need those people to take some moral responsibility with how they remunerate their workforce.
Of course, this is pie in the sky stuff. Won't happen.
But many business owners do pay their tax in full and do look after their staff, and I assure you, it's not an insignificant amount of money.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
posted on 6/4/18
"Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?"
No one is talking about punishing individuals.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
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Where does it end then? How far back do you go?
Norway pay us no aid for what the Vikings took.
posted on 6/4/18
We need to increase the foreign aid budget so the left can continue to virtue signal.
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