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Mourinho or Emery?

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posted on 27/7/18

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posted on 27/7/18

No idea. Probably best asking this next May if you want meaningful answers.

posted on 27/7/18

Right now, I'd say Mourinho for the simple reason that he has experience lifting the PL and CL however ask me again in a couple of years and my opinion may change.

posted on 27/7/18

Emery is an unknown quantity for me at the moment.
Jose definitely has lost it. No debate about it.
Pep Klopp and Poch the top 3 managers in the league
Sarri again an unknown quantity.

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)

posted on 27/7/18

Pep Klopp and Poch the top 3 managers in the league

until Poch wins anything he isn't above Jose

posted on 27/7/18

I prefer watching Emerys teams. Who’ll be more successful though, probably Mourinho. Think he’s got a better squad to play with.

posted on 27/7/18

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 19 seconds ago
I prefer watching Emerys teams. Who’ll be more successful though, probably Mourinho. Think he’s got a better squad to play with.
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That's a good point, if you want to watch your team playing good football then Mourinho is unlikely to be your man. If you want trophies right now out of the two, he'd be your man

comment by Kav H (U19426)

posted on 27/7/18

Emery for sure. Mourinho is not far off being completely finished as an elite level manager. I think this is clear for most to see.

posted on 27/7/18

So, the other day I got into it with Wahl....

There's your problem OP. Guys either the best wum in history or seriously in need of help.

posted on 27/7/18

From a pragmatic point of view, Arsenal want to improve as efficiently as possible, i.e. by evolving rather than starting from scratch. Mourinho's methods and philosophy are about as far from Wenger's as you can get, so I'd suggest Emery is a better fit.

posted on 27/7/18

comment by Kav H (U19426)
posted 2 seconds ago
Emery for sure. Mourinho is not far off being completely finished as an elite level manager. I think this is clear for most to see.
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Think that's a bit harsh, I think he's won more than Klopp in the past few years than Klopp and Poch put together so you can't really knock his elite level

posted on 27/7/18

Fack sake, T-Bag has become a comment who're.
3 days in a row, 3 cheap Wahlly baiting articles.

posted on 27/7/18

comment by dangerdog (U20986)
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comment by Kav H (U19426)
posted 2 seconds ago
Emery for sure. Mourinho is not far off being completely finished as an elite level manager. I think this is clear for most to see.
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Think that's a bit harsh, I think he's won more than Klopp and Poch put together in the last few years so you can't really knock his elite level
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posted on 27/7/18

Jose has probably the best managerial decade of any manager in history including CLs for different clubs, both underdogs.

But then the dominance diminished(the titles he won were not so emphatic)and then the trophies are becoming fewer and farther between (although obviously was at a ridiculous rate before)

Jose needs to really reinvent himself to keep up with new managerial tactics.

posted on 27/7/18

He's desperately trying to soften the butthurt from the last article

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted on 27/7/18

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Fack sake, T-Bag has become a comment who're.
3 days in a row, 3 cheap Wahlly baiting articles.
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I have specifically stated to arguing

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted on 27/7/18

* NO

posted on 27/7/18

Managers don't reinvent themselves late on in their career. Fergie managed to do it but in his latter years I think he was not as hands on with the tactical side as he was the managerial side. That's why he possibly survived. All the other older managers get found out in the end and then drift off into International management.

comment by Kav H (U19426)

posted on 27/7/18

comment by dangerdog (U20986)
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comment by dangerdog (U20986)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Kav H (U19426)
posted 2 seconds ago
Emery for sure. Mourinho is not far off being completely finished as an elite level manager. I think this is clear for most to see.
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Think that's a bit harsh, I think he's won more than Klopp and Poch put together in the last few years so you can't really knock his elite level
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I said not far off. The mumbling has clearly started in pre-season. When the inevitable meltdown happens, we all know how it ends. Also, yes he wins things but my god his United team are a bore to watch.

posted on 27/7/18

Fergie as good as he was, was never in risk of losing his job and had the pull of being at the biggest club in the country so when needed had the full backing of the board to go get an RVP etc to make a difference.

posted on 27/7/18

Jose has won 2 trophies in 2 years at Utd. Klopp and Poch haven't won anything in 6-7 years between them at their current clubs.

Conclusion = Jose finished

posted on 27/7/18

As for 'is Mourinho the better manager / is he past it?', I reckon it's more accurate to think in terms of whether managers are a good fit in contexts, i.e. at a particular club at a particular time. There isn't a magic that great managers have but eventually use up. It's just that the qualities and insights a manager has work better in some situations than others. The innovations that Mourinho introduced were successful in the mid-2000s but the game has evolved and assimilated a lot of his ideas. However, the game will continue to evolve and he'll continue to study new ideas and tactics and it's hardly unthinkable that a Mourinho 2.0 will be effective again in the football of the late 2010s and early 2020s. Some people assume he can't evolve with the game but that's conjecture.

Guardiola's tiki taka style brought diminishing returns. He has had to evolve, and his City side are quite different to his Barcelona.

Some coaches can't evolve. Some do it with a certain amount of effort and get there eventually. Some have a knack of doing it seamlessly. I think it remains to be seen how well Mourinho can adapt.

posted on 27/7/18

comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
Jose has won 2 trophies in 2 years at Utd. Klopp and Poch haven't won anything in 6-7 years between them at their current clubs.

Conclusion = Jose finished
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i for one have not said he's finished, but proof is in the pudding that he's turnover of winning, and in style, is on a downward trajectory(nearly impossible to not have to after his run in 00s). Is this the longest he's gone without a league title?

posted on 27/7/18

Probs Mourinho unfortunately

comment by Kav H (U19426)

posted on 27/7/18

League aside, domestic trophies are very much a lottery these days. Let's be honest, Jose is a negative, boring, unlikeable man and now quite an outdated manager. I feel a lot of United fans feel this way as well. Yes his teams are likely to grind you out a result in a big game but he has stifled so much attacking flair out of that United side.

Would the majority of United fans swap Jose for Poch? I bet they would.

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