comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 9 minutes ago
No one followed Farage Sandy. Hence his irrelevance today.
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Of course they did.
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posted 21 minutes ago
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 13 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by meuandcoop - Green & Whyte=Shyte (U5293)
posted 8 minutes ago
So no one can give a reason to leave that is based on fact ! Incredible ! Not one ? How will UK trade ? We have no deals ...so how will be trade. We have no Customs so how will we control Borders . Come on you can do better than the jingoistic sh!t you've all posted
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Trade deals with whoever we want. The UK will just use WTO.
Tiger economies to be exploited... er sorry... traded with.
More Brit workers filling low end jobs. Probably leading to higher pay for them. The knock on effect is high prices. However, getting people in work is more important.
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Will unlikely to exactly prosper with just WTO, most countries are in trade agreements with one another.
https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6
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Why won't the UK make trade deals with the rest of the world?
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I'm not saying they wont, but trade deals are long processes which take time. Also, the current geopolitical trend right now is protectionism, which also does not help.
My point is though once we crash out we will be somewhat of an oddity in being a major economy without any trade deals.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 30 minutes ago
Most voted leave, because of the scaremongering around immigration. It was about the only thing mentioned for months and months. Shows you how sheep can be led.
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Give it a rest, the amount of scaremongering and propoganda from the Remain campaign lead by Cameron and his cronies right up to the referendum vote was laughable.
Maybe if they'd been honest and transparent with the general public from the start then Remain might have actually won the vote.
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Typical response from a Leaver. Everybody knows without bringing immigrants into the argument. Remain would have won probably by a landslide. It was, and has always been about foreigners in England.
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Absolute BS. Not sure where your obsession with immigration started.
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I didn`t start an obsession with immigration. Brexiters did, Brexit was 100 per cent about immgration. Are you denying that immigration paid a major, major part in the Leave vote. Every single racist in the country, of which there are quite a few, jumped on Brexit because of Immigration, that alone was enough to swing the vote. Even without them, enough sheep followed Farage and his cronies telling us we are being swamped with immigrants, and leave was the only answer.
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What an utterly moronic post.
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Only in your eyes mate. The truth always hurt. Not heard any decent arguments from any Brexiteers yet, why they voted to leave, other than for the fact they think immigration will stop overnight.
All this nonsense about we want control of our laws, as if any European laws really stop people in Britain from going about their daily business.
Sorry fellas, you Brexiteers were fed spoonfuls of rubbish from Farage, Johnson, etc and you all fell for it bigtime.
Up to you lot now to sort it out.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 9 minutes ago
No one followed Farage Sandy. Hence his irrelevance today.
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Of course they did.
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Who's the sheep dude? You believe anything!
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 21 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 13 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by meuandcoop - Green & Whyte=Shyte (U5293)
posted 8 minutes ago
So no one can give a reason to leave that is based on fact ! Incredible ! Not one ? How will UK trade ? We have no deals ...so how will be trade. We have no Customs so how will we control Borders . Come on you can do better than the jingoistic sh!t you've all posted
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Trade deals with whoever we want. The UK will just use WTO.
Tiger economies to be exploited... er sorry... traded with.
More Brit workers filling low end jobs. Probably leading to higher pay for them. The knock on effect is high prices. However, getting people in work is more important.
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Will unlikely to exactly prosper with just WTO, most countries are in trade agreements with one another.
https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6
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Why won't the UK make trade deals with the rest of the world?
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I'm not saying they wont, but trade deals are long processes which take time. Also, the current geopolitical trend right now is protectionism, which also does not help.
My point is though once we crash out we will be somewhat of an oddity in being a major economy without any trade deals.
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We're part of a very large 'Commonwealth' add the yanks, china and middle east. It's all $$$.
Soft Cheeses might go up in price though!
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 13 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by meuandcoop - Green & Whyte=Shyte (U5293)
posted 8 minutes ago
So no one can give a reason to leave that is based on fact ! Incredible ! Not one ? How will UK trade ? We have no deals ...so how will be trade. We have no Customs so how will we control Borders . Come on you can do better than the jingoistic sh!t you've all posted
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Trade deals with whoever we want. The UK will just use WTO.
Tiger economies to be exploited... er sorry... traded with.
More Brit workers filling low end jobs. Probably leading to higher pay for them. The knock on effect is high prices. However, getting people in work is more important.
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Will unlikely to exactly prosper with just WTO, most countries are in trade agreements with one another.
https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6
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Why won't the UK make trade deals with the rest of the world?
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I'm not saying they wont, but trade deals are long processes which take time. Also, the current geopolitical trend right now is protectionism, which also does not help.
My point is though once we crash out we will be somewhat of an oddity in being a major economy without any trade deals.
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So after Brexit there will be no import or export until trade deals are in place? You say it takes a long time, what is a long time?
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Literally straw-manning my argument
I never say there wont be any exports or imports do I?
Well it depends on the nation you want to trade with. But to answer your question, for the US it probably would take 3 1/2 years to implement. It will be even harder with other nations.
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posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 13 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by meuandcoop - Green & Whyte=Shyte (U5293)
posted 8 minutes ago
So no one can give a reason to leave that is based on fact ! Incredible ! Not one ? How will UK trade ? We have no deals ...so how will be trade. We have no Customs so how will we control Borders . Come on you can do better than the jingoistic sh!t you've all posted
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Trade deals with whoever we want. The UK will just use WTO.
Tiger economies to be exploited... er sorry... traded with.
More Brit workers filling low end jobs. Probably leading to higher pay for them. The knock on effect is high prices. However, getting people in work is more important.
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Will unlikely to exactly prosper with just WTO, most countries are in trade agreements with one another.
https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6
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Why won't the UK make trade deals with the rest of the world?
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I'm not saying they wont, but trade deals are long processes which take time. Also, the current geopolitical trend right now is protectionism, which also does not help.
My point is though once we crash out we will be somewhat of an oddity in being a major economy without any trade deals.
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So after Brexit there will be no import or export until trade deals are in place? You say it takes a long time, what is a long time?
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Depends on type of deal, access, and sector. Ceta is the most comprehensive FTA ever negotiated (anywhere). Scoping (initiated 2007) took about 18mths, negotiations about 6yrs and was implemented in 2017.
http://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/ceta-aecg/chronology-chronologie.aspx?lang=eng
It also has a number of services carve outs. Mutual recognition agreements (MRAs) for services are even more complex than FTAs.
Worth noting that Liam Fox's international trade department are woefully under resourced, lacking expertise and experience.
Would you just not feck off out now and be done with it.
Just to say ,that the Europeans I know ,all over Europe(I travel a lot),cannot get their heads around the total shambles that is British politics over Brexit,
The hard irish border is a huge issue ignored by many leavers.
Donkey brexiteers should watch this trade negotiator completely tear apart this Brexit Central editor, he resorted him to mumbling and tears
https://twitter.com/iandunt/status/1032919155882778625?s=21
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 hours, 13 minutes ago
If you hadn’t wanted to be part of it for thirty years then why did you, and why do you, still take advantage of what it offers you?
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I find this post absolutely astounding. You make it sound like I had a choice of staying out when we were lead in, as if I have a choice of what happens and as if I'm getting some unbelievable advantage by being a part of it.
Unbelievable arrogance!
Brummie explain why you want out and why you've never wanted to be part of it?
My view is a brexiteer is desperately trying to cling onto the final bastion of the old Empire.
The notion that great Britain will strive outside the EU is something i find hard to understand, im open to be educated here
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
How it’d be “undemocratic" if the Government said to the country “you were sold Brexit based on the premise of ……. Currently we’re unable to agree a deal that allows for this. This is the deal or no deal (which is looking scarily possible) do you still want it?
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Am I missing some thing here?
I didn't vote 'Leave', on the premise of having a deal or not having a deal. I only wanted to be asked a straight yes or no!
I voted leave because I haven't wanted us to be part of it for over 30 years and and hadn't been given my chance to have a say until 23rd June 16.
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Why don't you want to be a part of it though?
Secondly, what will not being a part of the EU give you/the country that you can't have inside it?
Surely people who voted leave did so on more than "I don't want to be part of the EU" that's basically meaningless without elaborating further
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Why would I want to tell anyone on a forum like this?
Why would I want to discuss with people who have absolutely no idea what is going to happen or what the repercussions (if there are to be any) will be; who try to back their arguments up by posting links to bloggs of trendy journalists of left wing newspapers that give nothing other than a personnel point of view?
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 minutes ago
Brummie explain why you want out and why you've never wanted to be part of it?
My view is a brexiteer is desperately trying to cling onto the final bastion of the old Empire.
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Then stick to your view by all means Kneerash, I've long since given up trying to explain to people for fear of being labelled a knuckle dragging racist!
All I will tell you is, it was absolutely nothing to do with the myth that everyone who voted leave because of immigration.
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
How it’d be “undemocratic" if the Government said to the country “you were sold Brexit based on the premise of ……. Currently we’re unable to agree a deal that allows for this. This is the deal or no deal (which is looking scarily possible) do you still want it?
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Am I missing some thing here?
I didn't vote 'Leave', on the premise of having a deal or not having a deal. I only wanted to be asked a straight yes or no!
I voted leave because I haven't wanted us to be part of it for over 30 years and and hadn't been given my chance to have a say until 23rd June 16.
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Why don't you want to be a part of it though?
Secondly, what will not being a part of the EU give you/the country that you can't have inside it?
Surely people who voted leave did so on more than "I don't want to be part of the EU" that's basically meaningless without elaborating further
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Why would I want to tell anyone on a forum like this?
Why would I want to discuss with people who have absolutely no idea what is going to happen or what the repercussions (if there are to be any) will be; who try to back their arguments up by posting links to bloggs of trendy journalists of left wing newspapers that give nothing other than a personnel point of view?
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So basically, you literally have no idea?
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 30 minutes ago
Most voted leave, because of the scaremongering around immigration. It was about the only thing mentioned for months and months. Shows you how sheep can be led.
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Give it a rest, the amount of scaremongering and propoganda from the Remain campaign lead by Cameron and his cronies right up to the referendum vote was laughable.
Maybe if they'd been honest and transparent with the general public from the start then Remain might have actually won the vote.
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Typical response from a Leaver. Everybody knows without bringing immigrants into the argument. Remain would have won probably by a landslide. It was, and has always been about foreigners in England.
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Absolute BS. Not sure where your obsession with immigration started.
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I didn`t start an obsession with immigration. Brexiters did, Brexit was 100 per cent about immgration. Are you denying that immigration paid a major, major part in the Leave vote. Every single racist in the country, of which there are quite a few, jumped on Brexit because of Immigration, that alone was enough to swing the vote. Even without them, enough sheep followed Farage and his cronies telling us we are being swamped with immigrants, and leave was the only answer.
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Sandy, I do not accept it was 100% anything to do with immigration.
You're a die hard Labour man and presumably had a great deal of respect for Anthony Wedgewood Ben.
Would you class him as a racist?
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
How it’d be “undemocratic" if the Government said to the country “you were sold Brexit based on the premise of ……. Currently we’re unable to agree a deal that allows for this. This is the deal or no deal (which is looking scarily possible) do you still want it?
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Am I missing some thing here?
I didn't vote 'Leave', on the premise of having a deal or not having a deal. I only wanted to be asked a straight yes or no!
I voted leave because I haven't wanted us to be part of it for over 30 years and and hadn't been given my chance to have a say until 23rd June 16.
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Why don't you want to be a part of it though?
Secondly, what will not being a part of the EU give you/the country that you can't have inside it?
Surely people who voted leave did so on more than "I don't want to be part of the EU" that's basically meaningless without elaborating further
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Why would I want to tell anyone on a forum like this?
Why would I want to discuss with people who have absolutely no idea what is going to happen or what the repercussions (if there are to be any) will be; who try to back their arguments up by posting links to bloggs of trendy journalists of left wing newspapers that give nothing other than a personnel point of view?
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So basically, you literally have no idea?
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Yes, I do - just that they are not open to debate with people that will try and ridicule me from behind there keyboard and pretend that they know better.
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posted 21 minutes ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 13 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by meuandcoop - Green & Whyte=Shyte (U5293)
posted 8 minutes ago
So no one can give a reason to leave that is based on fact ! Incredible ! Not one ? How will UK trade ? We have no deals ...so how will be trade. We have no Customs so how will we control Borders . Come on you can do better than the jingoistic sh!t you've all posted
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Trade deals with whoever we want. The UK will just use WTO.
Tiger economies to be exploited... er sorry... traded with.
More Brit workers filling low end jobs. Probably leading to higher pay for them. The knock on effect is high prices. However, getting people in work is more important.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Will unlikely to exactly prosper with just WTO, most countries are in trade agreements with one another.
https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6
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Why won't the UK make trade deals with the rest of the world?
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I'm not saying they wont, but trade deals are long processes which take time. Also, the current geopolitical trend right now is protectionism, which also does not help.
My point is though once we crash out we will be somewhat of an oddity in being a major economy without any trade deals.
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So after Brexit there will be no import or export until trade deals are in place? You say it takes a long time, what is a long time?
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Literally straw-manning my argument
I never say there wont be any exports or imports do I?
Well it depends on the nation you want to trade with. But to answer your question, for the US it probably would take 3 1/2 years to implement. It will be even harder with other nations.
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No arguement. They were both questions.🤷🏻♀️
If we have no trade deals, and the US is an easier country to strike a deal with, surely, no trade can be done with anyone? Again, a question.
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lol.
I'm sorry but there is literally no point in discussing this with you. You are trying to extrapolating my point in your question to set some kind of trap.
If you would like to know more on this topic, you can read some books or browse some websites
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
How it’d be “undemocratic" if the Government said to the country “you were sold Brexit based on the premise of ……. Currently we’re unable to agree a deal that allows for this. This is the deal or no deal (which is looking scarily possible) do you still want it?
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Am I missing some thing here?
I didn't vote 'Leave', on the premise of having a deal or not having a deal. I only wanted to be asked a straight yes or no!
I voted leave because I haven't wanted us to be part of it for over 30 years and and hadn't been given my chance to have a say until 23rd June 16.
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Why don't you want to be a part of it though?
Secondly, what will not being a part of the EU give you/the country that you can't have inside it?
Surely people who voted leave did so on more than "I don't want to be part of the EU" that's basically meaningless without elaborating further
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Why would I want to tell anyone on a forum like this?
Why would I want to discuss with people who have absolutely no idea what is going to happen or what the repercussions (if there are to be any) will be; who try to back their arguments up by posting links to bloggs of trendy journalists of left wing newspapers that give nothing other than a personnel point of view?
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UK plc (assuming government's objectives remain as is) are downgrading from an internal market to a FTA.
It's akin to having a platinum gym membership, with access to all equipment and services. And then cancelling for a bronze membership which gives you access to the gym evening and weekends. But no access to the sauna, pool etc.
A FTA is sectoral whilst the SM covers the entire economy. Plus the fact that the UK will lose access to hundreds of international (EU) partnership agreements and circa 60 FTAs.
Which is why every recognised analysis has stated the UK will worse off in every scenario.
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comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 minutes ago
Brummie explain why you want out and why you've never wanted to be part of it?
My view is a brexiteer is desperately trying to cling onto the final bastion of the old Empire.
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Then stick to your view by all means Kneerash, I've long since given up trying to explain to people for fear of being labelled a knuckle dragging racist!
All I will tell you is, it was absolutely nothing to do with the myth that everyone who voted leave because of immigration.
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Im sure plenty had a reason to leave outside immigration but there's no denying it was one of leaves prkme n narratives.
Both sides were awful in the build up to the vote.
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posted on 25/8/18
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 9 minutes ago
No one followed Farage Sandy. Hence his irrelevance today.
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Of course they did.
posted on 25/8/18
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 13 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by meuandcoop - Green & Whyte=Shyte (U5293)
posted 8 minutes ago
So no one can give a reason to leave that is based on fact ! Incredible ! Not one ? How will UK trade ? We have no deals ...so how will be trade. We have no Customs so how will we control Borders . Come on you can do better than the jingoistic sh!t you've all posted
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Trade deals with whoever we want. The UK will just use WTO.
Tiger economies to be exploited... er sorry... traded with.
More Brit workers filling low end jobs. Probably leading to higher pay for them. The knock on effect is high prices. However, getting people in work is more important.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Will unlikely to exactly prosper with just WTO, most countries are in trade agreements with one another.
https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6
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Why won't the UK make trade deals with the rest of the world?
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I'm not saying they wont, but trade deals are long processes which take time. Also, the current geopolitical trend right now is protectionism, which also does not help.
My point is though once we crash out we will be somewhat of an oddity in being a major economy without any trade deals.
posted on 25/8/18
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 30 minutes ago
Most voted leave, because of the scaremongering around immigration. It was about the only thing mentioned for months and months. Shows you how sheep can be led.
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Give it a rest, the amount of scaremongering and propoganda from the Remain campaign lead by Cameron and his cronies right up to the referendum vote was laughable.
Maybe if they'd been honest and transparent with the general public from the start then Remain might have actually won the vote.
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Typical response from a Leaver. Everybody knows without bringing immigrants into the argument. Remain would have won probably by a landslide. It was, and has always been about foreigners in England.
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Absolute BS. Not sure where your obsession with immigration started.
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I didn`t start an obsession with immigration. Brexiters did, Brexit was 100 per cent about immgration. Are you denying that immigration paid a major, major part in the Leave vote. Every single racist in the country, of which there are quite a few, jumped on Brexit because of Immigration, that alone was enough to swing the vote. Even without them, enough sheep followed Farage and his cronies telling us we are being swamped with immigrants, and leave was the only answer.
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What an utterly moronic post.
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Only in your eyes mate. The truth always hurt. Not heard any decent arguments from any Brexiteers yet, why they voted to leave, other than for the fact they think immigration will stop overnight.
All this nonsense about we want control of our laws, as if any European laws really stop people in Britain from going about their daily business.
Sorry fellas, you Brexiteers were fed spoonfuls of rubbish from Farage, Johnson, etc and you all fell for it bigtime.
Up to you lot now to sort it out.
posted on 25/8/18
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 9 minutes ago
No one followed Farage Sandy. Hence his irrelevance today.
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Of course they did.
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Who's the sheep dude? You believe anything!
posted on 25/8/18
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posted on 25/8/18
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posted 7 minutes ago
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posted 21 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 13 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by meuandcoop - Green & Whyte=Shyte (U5293)
posted 8 minutes ago
So no one can give a reason to leave that is based on fact ! Incredible ! Not one ? How will UK trade ? We have no deals ...so how will be trade. We have no Customs so how will we control Borders . Come on you can do better than the jingoistic sh!t you've all posted
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Trade deals with whoever we want. The UK will just use WTO.
Tiger economies to be exploited... er sorry... traded with.
More Brit workers filling low end jobs. Probably leading to higher pay for them. The knock on effect is high prices. However, getting people in work is more important.
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Will unlikely to exactly prosper with just WTO, most countries are in trade agreements with one another.
https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6
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Why won't the UK make trade deals with the rest of the world?
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I'm not saying they wont, but trade deals are long processes which take time. Also, the current geopolitical trend right now is protectionism, which also does not help.
My point is though once we crash out we will be somewhat of an oddity in being a major economy without any trade deals.
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We're part of a very large 'Commonwealth' add the yanks, china and middle east. It's all $$$.
Soft Cheeses might go up in price though!
posted on 25/8/18
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 13 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by meuandcoop - Green & Whyte=Shyte (U5293)
posted 8 minutes ago
So no one can give a reason to leave that is based on fact ! Incredible ! Not one ? How will UK trade ? We have no deals ...so how will be trade. We have no Customs so how will we control Borders . Come on you can do better than the jingoistic sh!t you've all posted
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Trade deals with whoever we want. The UK will just use WTO.
Tiger economies to be exploited... er sorry... traded with.
More Brit workers filling low end jobs. Probably leading to higher pay for them. The knock on effect is high prices. However, getting people in work is more important.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Will unlikely to exactly prosper with just WTO, most countries are in trade agreements with one another.
https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6
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Why won't the UK make trade deals with the rest of the world?
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I'm not saying they wont, but trade deals are long processes which take time. Also, the current geopolitical trend right now is protectionism, which also does not help.
My point is though once we crash out we will be somewhat of an oddity in being a major economy without any trade deals.
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So after Brexit there will be no import or export until trade deals are in place? You say it takes a long time, what is a long time?
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Literally straw-manning my argument
I never say there wont be any exports or imports do I?
Well it depends on the nation you want to trade with. But to answer your question, for the US it probably would take 3 1/2 years to implement. It will be even harder with other nations.
posted on 25/8/18
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posted on 25/8/18
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 13 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by meuandcoop - Green & Whyte=Shyte (U5293)
posted 8 minutes ago
So no one can give a reason to leave that is based on fact ! Incredible ! Not one ? How will UK trade ? We have no deals ...so how will be trade. We have no Customs so how will we control Borders . Come on you can do better than the jingoistic sh!t you've all posted
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Trade deals with whoever we want. The UK will just use WTO.
Tiger economies to be exploited... er sorry... traded with.
More Brit workers filling low end jobs. Probably leading to higher pay for them. The knock on effect is high prices. However, getting people in work is more important.
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Will unlikely to exactly prosper with just WTO, most countries are in trade agreements with one another.
https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6
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Why won't the UK make trade deals with the rest of the world?
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I'm not saying they wont, but trade deals are long processes which take time. Also, the current geopolitical trend right now is protectionism, which also does not help.
My point is though once we crash out we will be somewhat of an oddity in being a major economy without any trade deals.
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So after Brexit there will be no import or export until trade deals are in place? You say it takes a long time, what is a long time?
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Depends on type of deal, access, and sector. Ceta is the most comprehensive FTA ever negotiated (anywhere). Scoping (initiated 2007) took about 18mths, negotiations about 6yrs and was implemented in 2017.
http://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/ceta-aecg/chronology-chronologie.aspx?lang=eng
It also has a number of services carve outs. Mutual recognition agreements (MRAs) for services are even more complex than FTAs.
Worth noting that Liam Fox's international trade department are woefully under resourced, lacking expertise and experience.
posted on 25/8/18
Would you just not feck off out now and be done with it.
posted on 25/8/18
Just to say ,that the Europeans I know ,all over Europe(I travel a lot),cannot get their heads around the total shambles that is British politics over Brexit,
posted on 25/8/18
The hard irish border is a huge issue ignored by many leavers.
posted on 25/8/18
Donkey brexiteers should watch this trade negotiator completely tear apart this Brexit Central editor, he resorted him to mumbling and tears
https://twitter.com/iandunt/status/1032919155882778625?s=21
posted on 25/8/18
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 hours, 13 minutes ago
If you hadn’t wanted to be part of it for thirty years then why did you, and why do you, still take advantage of what it offers you?
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I find this post absolutely astounding. You make it sound like I had a choice of staying out when we were lead in, as if I have a choice of what happens and as if I'm getting some unbelievable advantage by being a part of it.
Unbelievable arrogance!
posted on 25/8/18
Brummie explain why you want out and why you've never wanted to be part of it?
My view is a brexiteer is desperately trying to cling onto the final bastion of the old Empire.
posted on 25/8/18
The notion that great Britain will strive outside the EU is something i find hard to understand, im open to be educated here
posted on 25/8/18
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
How it’d be “undemocratic" if the Government said to the country “you were sold Brexit based on the premise of ……. Currently we’re unable to agree a deal that allows for this. This is the deal or no deal (which is looking scarily possible) do you still want it?
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Am I missing some thing here?
I didn't vote 'Leave', on the premise of having a deal or not having a deal. I only wanted to be asked a straight yes or no!
I voted leave because I haven't wanted us to be part of it for over 30 years and and hadn't been given my chance to have a say until 23rd June 16.
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Why don't you want to be a part of it though?
Secondly, what will not being a part of the EU give you/the country that you can't have inside it?
Surely people who voted leave did so on more than "I don't want to be part of the EU" that's basically meaningless without elaborating further
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Why would I want to tell anyone on a forum like this?
Why would I want to discuss with people who have absolutely no idea what is going to happen or what the repercussions (if there are to be any) will be; who try to back their arguments up by posting links to bloggs of trendy journalists of left wing newspapers that give nothing other than a personnel point of view?
posted on 25/8/18
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 minutes ago
Brummie explain why you want out and why you've never wanted to be part of it?
My view is a brexiteer is desperately trying to cling onto the final bastion of the old Empire.
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Then stick to your view by all means Kneerash, I've long since given up trying to explain to people for fear of being labelled a knuckle dragging racist!
All I will tell you is, it was absolutely nothing to do with the myth that everyone who voted leave because of immigration.
posted on 25/8/18
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
How it’d be “undemocratic" if the Government said to the country “you were sold Brexit based on the premise of ……. Currently we’re unable to agree a deal that allows for this. This is the deal or no deal (which is looking scarily possible) do you still want it?
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Am I missing some thing here?
I didn't vote 'Leave', on the premise of having a deal or not having a deal. I only wanted to be asked a straight yes or no!
I voted leave because I haven't wanted us to be part of it for over 30 years and and hadn't been given my chance to have a say until 23rd June 16.
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Why don't you want to be a part of it though?
Secondly, what will not being a part of the EU give you/the country that you can't have inside it?
Surely people who voted leave did so on more than "I don't want to be part of the EU" that's basically meaningless without elaborating further
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Why would I want to tell anyone on a forum like this?
Why would I want to discuss with people who have absolutely no idea what is going to happen or what the repercussions (if there are to be any) will be; who try to back their arguments up by posting links to bloggs of trendy journalists of left wing newspapers that give nothing other than a personnel point of view?
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So basically, you literally have no idea?
posted on 25/8/18
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 30 minutes ago
Most voted leave, because of the scaremongering around immigration. It was about the only thing mentioned for months and months. Shows you how sheep can be led.
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Give it a rest, the amount of scaremongering and propoganda from the Remain campaign lead by Cameron and his cronies right up to the referendum vote was laughable.
Maybe if they'd been honest and transparent with the general public from the start then Remain might have actually won the vote.
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Typical response from a Leaver. Everybody knows without bringing immigrants into the argument. Remain would have won probably by a landslide. It was, and has always been about foreigners in England.
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Absolute BS. Not sure where your obsession with immigration started.
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I didn`t start an obsession with immigration. Brexiters did, Brexit was 100 per cent about immgration. Are you denying that immigration paid a major, major part in the Leave vote. Every single racist in the country, of which there are quite a few, jumped on Brexit because of Immigration, that alone was enough to swing the vote. Even without them, enough sheep followed Farage and his cronies telling us we are being swamped with immigrants, and leave was the only answer.
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Sandy, I do not accept it was 100% anything to do with immigration.
You're a die hard Labour man and presumably had a great deal of respect for Anthony Wedgewood Ben.
Would you class him as a racist?
posted on 25/8/18
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
How it’d be “undemocratic" if the Government said to the country “you were sold Brexit based on the premise of ……. Currently we’re unable to agree a deal that allows for this. This is the deal or no deal (which is looking scarily possible) do you still want it?
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Am I missing some thing here?
I didn't vote 'Leave', on the premise of having a deal or not having a deal. I only wanted to be asked a straight yes or no!
I voted leave because I haven't wanted us to be part of it for over 30 years and and hadn't been given my chance to have a say until 23rd June 16.
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Why don't you want to be a part of it though?
Secondly, what will not being a part of the EU give you/the country that you can't have inside it?
Surely people who voted leave did so on more than "I don't want to be part of the EU" that's basically meaningless without elaborating further
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Why would I want to tell anyone on a forum like this?
Why would I want to discuss with people who have absolutely no idea what is going to happen or what the repercussions (if there are to be any) will be; who try to back their arguments up by posting links to bloggs of trendy journalists of left wing newspapers that give nothing other than a personnel point of view?
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So basically, you literally have no idea?
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Yes, I do - just that they are not open to debate with people that will try and ridicule me from behind there keyboard and pretend that they know better.
posted on 25/8/18
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 13 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by meuandcoop - Green & Whyte=Shyte (U5293)
posted 8 minutes ago
So no one can give a reason to leave that is based on fact ! Incredible ! Not one ? How will UK trade ? We have no deals ...so how will be trade. We have no Customs so how will we control Borders . Come on you can do better than the jingoistic sh!t you've all posted
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Trade deals with whoever we want. The UK will just use WTO.
Tiger economies to be exploited... er sorry... traded with.
More Brit workers filling low end jobs. Probably leading to higher pay for them. The knock on effect is high prices. However, getting people in work is more important.
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Will unlikely to exactly prosper with just WTO, most countries are in trade agreements with one another.
https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6
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Why won't the UK make trade deals with the rest of the world?
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I'm not saying they wont, but trade deals are long processes which take time. Also, the current geopolitical trend right now is protectionism, which also does not help.
My point is though once we crash out we will be somewhat of an oddity in being a major economy without any trade deals.
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So after Brexit there will be no import or export until trade deals are in place? You say it takes a long time, what is a long time?
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Literally straw-manning my argument
I never say there wont be any exports or imports do I?
Well it depends on the nation you want to trade with. But to answer your question, for the US it probably would take 3 1/2 years to implement. It will be even harder with other nations.
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No arguement. They were both questions.🤷🏻♀️
If we have no trade deals, and the US is an easier country to strike a deal with, surely, no trade can be done with anyone? Again, a question.
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lol.
I'm sorry but there is literally no point in discussing this with you. You are trying to extrapolating my point in your question to set some kind of trap.
If you would like to know more on this topic, you can read some books or browse some websites
posted on 25/8/18
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
How it’d be “undemocratic" if the Government said to the country “you were sold Brexit based on the premise of ……. Currently we’re unable to agree a deal that allows for this. This is the deal or no deal (which is looking scarily possible) do you still want it?
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Am I missing some thing here?
I didn't vote 'Leave', on the premise of having a deal or not having a deal. I only wanted to be asked a straight yes or no!
I voted leave because I haven't wanted us to be part of it for over 30 years and and hadn't been given my chance to have a say until 23rd June 16.
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Why don't you want to be a part of it though?
Secondly, what will not being a part of the EU give you/the country that you can't have inside it?
Surely people who voted leave did so on more than "I don't want to be part of the EU" that's basically meaningless without elaborating further
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Why would I want to tell anyone on a forum like this?
Why would I want to discuss with people who have absolutely no idea what is going to happen or what the repercussions (if there are to be any) will be; who try to back their arguments up by posting links to bloggs of trendy journalists of left wing newspapers that give nothing other than a personnel point of view?
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UK plc (assuming government's objectives remain as is) are downgrading from an internal market to a FTA.
It's akin to having a platinum gym membership, with access to all equipment and services. And then cancelling for a bronze membership which gives you access to the gym evening and weekends. But no access to the sauna, pool etc.
A FTA is sectoral whilst the SM covers the entire economy. Plus the fact that the UK will lose access to hundreds of international (EU) partnership agreements and circa 60 FTAs.
Which is why every recognised analysis has stated the UK will worse off in every scenario.
posted on 25/8/18
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posted on 25/8/18
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 minutes ago
Brummie explain why you want out and why you've never wanted to be part of it?
My view is a brexiteer is desperately trying to cling onto the final bastion of the old Empire.
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Then stick to your view by all means Kneerash, I've long since given up trying to explain to people for fear of being labelled a knuckle dragging racist!
All I will tell you is, it was absolutely nothing to do with the myth that everyone who voted leave because of immigration.
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Im sure plenty had a reason to leave outside immigration but there's no denying it was one of leaves prkme n narratives.
Both sides were awful in the build up to the vote.
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