CAN MAN UTD STILL ATTRACT TOP TALENT?
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YES I THINK SO.
Yes but the draw is mainly money, it used to be the manager, the ethos, the success and then the money.
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I think if the manager was a top class, proven winner and the squad was full of top players then I think other top players would be willing to over look the fact that they don’t have CL football.
Plain facts are that they don’t have a proven manager and a few years of poor transfer dealings has left a squad full of over paid, aging players. Yes they pay loads of money but then so do loads of other clubs.
Depends what you mean by success.
If it’s trophies, then maximum only 4 PL clubs a season can offer “success”.
Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea won the same as United last season.
We don’t really want players who would only come to us for cash or to play in the CL anyway right? Don’t we want them to come because they want to play for United, first and foremost? In an ideal world anyway.
Yes you need to offer football at the highest level and a chance of challenging for something, but there’s no reason why players can’t achieve that at United in the next 2-5 years.
Less likely than at other clubs right now, but you can’t say we’re not still a draw for some top players based on a bad last season.
Let’s see what the squads look like in 4 weeks time
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 56 seconds ago
Depends what you mean by success.
If it’s trophies, then maximum only 4 PL clubs a season can offer “success”.
Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea won the same as United last season.
We don’t really want players who would only come to us for cash or to play in the CL anyway right? Don’t we want them to come because they want to play for United, first and foremost? In an ideal world anyway.
Yes you need to offer football at the highest level and a chance of challenging for something, but there’s no reason why players can’t achieve that at United in the next 2-5 years.
Less likely than at other clubs right now, but you can’t say we’re not still a draw for some top players based on a bad last season.
Let’s see what the squads look like in 4 weeks time
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Chelsea won the europa..
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes but the draw is mainly money, it used to be the manager, the ethos, the success and then the money.
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This.
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 15 seconds ago
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
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Erm, I do not think so:-
Wayne Rooney
Rio Ferdinand
Ruud Van Nistlerooy
Juan Sebastian Veron
Angel Di Maria
Jaun Mata
Alexis Sanchez
To name a few.
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 minute ago
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
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Veron, RVN, Stam, RVP,
You tried for Ronaldinho.
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 minute ago
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
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This. And going by Ole's comments he isn't looking for top talent.
Take Neymar for an example. A top talent but I wouldn't want him anywhere near United.
It really depends on the individual player that the club is looking to buy and their motivations. Can United still attract top players? Yes, they can. But it is certainly harder right now then previously.
That said, historically we haven't bought that many ready made top players. We have had most success with buying promising young players and a smattering of ready made. So there is no reason that we can't get back to competing again in the next few years if we make the right signings and a few of our kids come good.
'Can they?' is too binary a question. We've seen that teams that aren't perceived as at the pinnacle can pull of surprising transfer coups: sometimes the money on its own is enough, or the perfect set of circumstances align. Clubs that come into money have to go through that stage where they don't tick every box, before they reach the point where they are an attractive destination in their own right. Maybe 'how easy is it?' is a better way to frame that question.
The other thing I'd dispute is the 'still'. Under the Fergie years despite our consistent success and our financial clout, it's not as if we were consistently buying the world's best players. In the glory years we were constantly losing out to Real, Barcelona, Milan, Juve and latterly Chelsea for our dream signings. In fact, we've probably pulled off high-profile transfers more often than we did under the reign of Fergie and Gill. What we find harder now is to buy those highly rated players based in England, because we don't enjoy the same domestic near-monopoly. Even then, there were plenty of Premiership players we wanted who chose other clubs: from Shearer to Bale (though Harry Kewell to Liverpool was the one that really hurt).
Well how did Liverpool attract top talent?
They spent a lot of money on very good players who were not world stars.
It isn't that difficult, the majority of clubs in the world rely on good scouting and average transfer budgets.
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posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 15 seconds ago
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
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Erm, I do not think so:-
Wayne Rooney
Rio Ferdinand
Ruud Van Nistlerooy
Juan Sebastian Veron
Angel Di Maria
Jaun Mata
Alexis Sanchez
To name a few.
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A list that spans 17 years and generates 7 players?
Only 2 of whom were sure fire top class when we bought them (Rio and Ruud), and Ruud came from the Dutch league after a terrible injury, so hardly a banker really. Rooney was a talent, but he developed at United. The rest are not in that bracket for various reasons.
Only ones I would class us buying “top talent” (finished articles) would have been Robson, Stam, Rio, Ruud and RVP.
Real Madrid, Barca, PSG operate in a different market to us.
I will admit that Ed has tried in the past 5 - 6 years to follow that “galactico” approach, however I think now the penny has finally dropped that we are better sticking to how we normally operate, buying the best homegrown young players and developing emerging talents from the continent.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 13 minutes ago
Well how did Liverpool attract top talent?
They spent a lot of money on very good players who were not world stars.
It isn't that difficult, the majority of clubs in the world rely on good scouting and average transfer budgets.
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A top manager with proven success at winning, that players want to play for.
I believe they still can. Yes this is currently a barren spell but football is cyclical and no team dominates forever.
City are the more attractive proposition currently in Manchester but it will not last forever. United are a huge club and they will win the PL again within 5-7 years in my opinion.
Eventually they will get the structure and manager correct (I’m not saying Ole is not the right man by the way)
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 13 minutes ago
Well how did Liverpool attract top talent?
They spent a lot of money on very good players who were not world stars.
It isn't that difficult, the majority of clubs in the world rely on good scouting and average transfer budgets.
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A top manager with proven success at winning, that players want to play for.
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Allison, VVD etc would probably have signed for Liverpool with Rogers or Daglish in charge though.
I'm sure had it been any of City, Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea in for them, they'd of happily moved to these clubs too.
Having a great manager helps, but most of the time that isn't the reason a player makes a move. Managers rarely last more than 5 years these days and players are used to having worked for different people.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 5 minutes ago
I believe they still can. Yes this is currently a barren spell but football is cyclical and no team dominates forever.
City are the more attractive proposition currently in Manchester but it will not last forever. United are a huge club and they will win the PL again within 5-7 years in my opinion.
Eventually they will get the structure and manager correct (I’m not saying Ole is not the right man by the way)
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There is absolutely no evidence of this so I wouldn't be so sure....
comment by RedDevil7 - AND SOLSKJAER HAS WON IT (U5029)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 5 minutes ago
I believe they still can. Yes this is currently a barren spell but football is cyclical and no team dominates forever.
City are the more attractive proposition currently in Manchester but it will not last forever. United are a huge club and they will win the PL again within 5-7 years in my opinion.
Eventually they will get the structure and manager correct (I’m not saying Ole is not the right man by the way)
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There is absolutely no evidence of this so I wouldn't be so sure....
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I hope I’m wrong
We've been hovering up these so called players over last 6 years and got nowhere so I don't really care.
Liverpool have become one of best teams in Europe without buying into the galactic approach. Salah wasn't a huge name when he joined. He was a bit of a PL flop.
They also bought a lot of players from lesser clubs and even from the Championship with a few.
It's about the name on the front of the shirt that counts, not the back.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 13 minutes ago
Well how did Liverpool attract top talent?
They spent a lot of money on very good players who were not world stars.
It isn't that difficult, the majority of clubs in the world rely on good scouting and average transfer budgets.
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A top manager with proven success at winning, that players want to play for.
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Allison, VVD etc would probably have signed for Liverpool with Rogers or Daglish in charge though.
I'm sure had it been any of City, Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea in for them, they'd of happily moved to these clubs too.
Having a great manager helps, but most of the time that isn't the reason a player makes a move. Managers rarely last more than 5 years these days and players are used to having worked for different people.
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I doubt they would.
Kloop took over when we had a poor squad and went and got the likes off mane, Salah, VVD, Fabinho, Allison.
Without Klopp many of those (IMO) would have gone else where.
Mane - could’ve gone to Utd & Spurs, Klopp wanted him when he was at Dortmund and was instrumental in getting him.
Allison - Picked us over Chelsea.
VVD - City where after him.
Utd are one of the biggest clubs about no doubt in that.
I just think appointing Poch would’ve gone a bit further with bringing players in.
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posted on 10/7/19
CAN MAN UTD STILL ATTRACT TOP TALENT?
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YES I THINK SO.
posted on 10/7/19
Yes but the draw is mainly money, it used to be the manager, the ethos, the success and then the money.
posted on 10/7/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 10/7/19
I think if the manager was a top class, proven winner and the squad was full of top players then I think other top players would be willing to over look the fact that they don’t have CL football.
Plain facts are that they don’t have a proven manager and a few years of poor transfer dealings has left a squad full of over paid, aging players. Yes they pay loads of money but then so do loads of other clubs.
posted on 10/7/19
Depends what you mean by success.
If it’s trophies, then maximum only 4 PL clubs a season can offer “success”.
Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea won the same as United last season.
We don’t really want players who would only come to us for cash or to play in the CL anyway right? Don’t we want them to come because they want to play for United, first and foremost? In an ideal world anyway.
Yes you need to offer football at the highest level and a chance of challenging for something, but there’s no reason why players can’t achieve that at United in the next 2-5 years.
Less likely than at other clubs right now, but you can’t say we’re not still a draw for some top players based on a bad last season.
Let’s see what the squads look like in 4 weeks time
posted on 10/7/19
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 56 seconds ago
Depends what you mean by success.
If it’s trophies, then maximum only 4 PL clubs a season can offer “success”.
Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea won the same as United last season.
We don’t really want players who would only come to us for cash or to play in the CL anyway right? Don’t we want them to come because they want to play for United, first and foremost? In an ideal world anyway.
Yes you need to offer football at the highest level and a chance of challenging for something, but there’s no reason why players can’t achieve that at United in the next 2-5 years.
Less likely than at other clubs right now, but you can’t say we’re not still a draw for some top players based on a bad last season.
Let’s see what the squads look like in 4 weeks time
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Chelsea won the europa..
posted on 10/7/19
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes but the draw is mainly money, it used to be the manager, the ethos, the success and then the money.
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This.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 15 seconds ago
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
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Erm, I do not think so:-
Wayne Rooney
Rio Ferdinand
Ruud Van Nistlerooy
Juan Sebastian Veron
Angel Di Maria
Jaun Mata
Alexis Sanchez
To name a few.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 minute ago
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
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Veron, RVN, Stam, RVP,
You tried for Ronaldinho.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 minute ago
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
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This. And going by Ole's comments he isn't looking for top talent.
Take Neymar for an example. A top talent but I wouldn't want him anywhere near United.
posted on 10/7/19
YES
posted on 10/7/19
It really depends on the individual player that the club is looking to buy and their motivations. Can United still attract top players? Yes, they can. But it is certainly harder right now then previously.
That said, historically we haven't bought that many ready made top players. We have had most success with buying promising young players and a smattering of ready made. So there is no reason that we can't get back to competing again in the next few years if we make the right signings and a few of our kids come good.
posted on 10/7/19
'Can they?' is too binary a question. We've seen that teams that aren't perceived as at the pinnacle can pull of surprising transfer coups: sometimes the money on its own is enough, or the perfect set of circumstances align. Clubs that come into money have to go through that stage where they don't tick every box, before they reach the point where they are an attractive destination in their own right. Maybe 'how easy is it?' is a better way to frame that question.
The other thing I'd dispute is the 'still'. Under the Fergie years despite our consistent success and our financial clout, it's not as if we were consistently buying the world's best players. In the glory years we were constantly losing out to Real, Barcelona, Milan, Juve and latterly Chelsea for our dream signings. In fact, we've probably pulled off high-profile transfers more often than we did under the reign of Fergie and Gill. What we find harder now is to buy those highly rated players based in England, because we don't enjoy the same domestic near-monopoly. Even then, there were plenty of Premiership players we wanted who chose other clubs: from Shearer to Bale (though Harry Kewell to Liverpool was the one that really hurt).
posted on 10/7/19
Well how did Liverpool attract top talent?
They spent a lot of money on very good players who were not world stars.
It isn't that difficult, the majority of clubs in the world rely on good scouting and average transfer budgets.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 15 seconds ago
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
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Erm, I do not think so:-
Wayne Rooney
Rio Ferdinand
Ruud Van Nistlerooy
Juan Sebastian Veron
Angel Di Maria
Jaun Mata
Alexis Sanchez
To name a few.
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A list that spans 17 years and generates 7 players?
Only 2 of whom were sure fire top class when we bought them (Rio and Ruud), and Ruud came from the Dutch league after a terrible injury, so hardly a banker really. Rooney was a talent, but he developed at United. The rest are not in that bracket for various reasons.
Only ones I would class us buying “top talent” (finished articles) would have been Robson, Stam, Rio, Ruud and RVP.
Real Madrid, Barca, PSG operate in a different market to us.
I will admit that Ed has tried in the past 5 - 6 years to follow that “galactico” approach, however I think now the penny has finally dropped that we are better sticking to how we normally operate, buying the best homegrown young players and developing emerging talents from the continent.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 13 minutes ago
Well how did Liverpool attract top talent?
They spent a lot of money on very good players who were not world stars.
It isn't that difficult, the majority of clubs in the world rely on good scouting and average transfer budgets.
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A top manager with proven success at winning, that players want to play for.
posted on 10/7/19
Yes, we can.
posted on 10/7/19
I believe they still can. Yes this is currently a barren spell but football is cyclical and no team dominates forever.
City are the more attractive proposition currently in Manchester but it will not last forever. United are a huge club and they will win the PL again within 5-7 years in my opinion.
Eventually they will get the structure and manager correct (I’m not saying Ole is not the right man by the way)
posted on 10/7/19
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 13 minutes ago
Well how did Liverpool attract top talent?
They spent a lot of money on very good players who were not world stars.
It isn't that difficult, the majority of clubs in the world rely on good scouting and average transfer budgets.
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A top manager with proven success at winning, that players want to play for.
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Allison, VVD etc would probably have signed for Liverpool with Rogers or Daglish in charge though.
I'm sure had it been any of City, Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea in for them, they'd of happily moved to these clubs too.
Having a great manager helps, but most of the time that isn't the reason a player makes a move. Managers rarely last more than 5 years these days and players are used to having worked for different people.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 5 minutes ago
I believe they still can. Yes this is currently a barren spell but football is cyclical and no team dominates forever.
City are the more attractive proposition currently in Manchester but it will not last forever. United are a huge club and they will win the PL again within 5-7 years in my opinion.
Eventually they will get the structure and manager correct (I’m not saying Ole is not the right man by the way)
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There is absolutely no evidence of this so I wouldn't be so sure....
posted on 10/7/19
comment by RedDevil7 - AND SOLSKJAER HAS WON IT (U5029)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 5 minutes ago
I believe they still can. Yes this is currently a barren spell but football is cyclical and no team dominates forever.
City are the more attractive proposition currently in Manchester but it will not last forever. United are a huge club and they will win the PL again within 5-7 years in my opinion.
Eventually they will get the structure and manager correct (I’m not saying Ole is not the right man by the way)
--
There is absolutely no evidence of this so I wouldn't be so sure....
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I hope I’m wrong
posted on 10/7/19
We've been hovering up these so called players over last 6 years and got nowhere so I don't really care.
Liverpool have become one of best teams in Europe without buying into the galactic approach. Salah wasn't a huge name when he joined. He was a bit of a PL flop.
They also bought a lot of players from lesser clubs and even from the Championship with a few.
It's about the name on the front of the shirt that counts, not the back.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 13 minutes ago
Well how did Liverpool attract top talent?
They spent a lot of money on very good players who were not world stars.
It isn't that difficult, the majority of clubs in the world rely on good scouting and average transfer budgets.
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A top manager with proven success at winning, that players want to play for.
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Allison, VVD etc would probably have signed for Liverpool with Rogers or Daglish in charge though.
I'm sure had it been any of City, Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea in for them, they'd of happily moved to these clubs too.
Having a great manager helps, but most of the time that isn't the reason a player makes a move. Managers rarely last more than 5 years these days and players are used to having worked for different people.
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I doubt they would.
Kloop took over when we had a poor squad and went and got the likes off mane, Salah, VVD, Fabinho, Allison.
Without Klopp many of those (IMO) would have gone else where.
Mane - could’ve gone to Utd & Spurs, Klopp wanted him when he was at Dortmund and was instrumental in getting him.
Allison - Picked us over Chelsea.
VVD - City where after him.
posted on 10/7/19
Utd are one of the biggest clubs about no doubt in that.
I just think appointing Poch would’ve gone a bit further with bringing players in.
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