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comment by Bluebell (U7064)
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Another 3 weeks at least of Lockdown despite what others say
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Looking more like after the May bank holiday which is around the 8th. Thought it would be end of this month but forgot about the holiday.

Makes sense to be fair. No point opening up for 4 days.

Interestingly IMF have just declared that the UK is heading for the worst recession in over a century and the world since the Deep Depression.

And that's before any lockdown extension.
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No no it was the Great Depression.
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That’s what I called her phannie
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And deep as I recall

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Ging

Scottish lawyers - must love us <money>
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The only ones who do well in times of boom and bust

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Because there was and still is a significant urgency to release money.

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They gave them 28 days to decide though...
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They only realised that after it was brought to their attention.
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I think that compounded the issue.

Why have the other options even mentioned if you are going to pay lip service to them.

Then push for a vote by 5pm, and when you don't get the vote you wanted, then tell everyone that you have another 28 days.

No wonder some clubs felt railroaded.

Even if it is the best decision - football club chairmen are renowned for their objectivity, the SPFL just made an already perceived biased situation, even worse
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Erm

I think you need to look at the attachment put up by Bluebell mate

It indicates that the vote was cast at the time it was sent and not when it was received so that would imply that the no vote was valid.

What I can't quite get is whether they were entitled to change it
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Just reading it now - i don't suppose you could give me the gist.

It's boring as fck
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Essentially saying that the Dundee no vote should count as being legitimate from the time it was sent regardless of when it was received or where it went in the meantime.

Not sure about the ability to change their minds though.
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The fact it’s even up for debate is laughable, the vote is a farce.

The SPFL should’ve just said they would consider a revote in a few weeks when they knew Dundee voted. The fact this Dundee thing has dragged on and the now QC opinions just throws wind behind all the bullying claims and lack of options and makes it more difficult for them to do that.

The whole rush to do this was a nonsense. Never mind having clubs like Forfar voting for it so they get more cash from Partick Thistle being in their league. There was enough poison in Scottish football as it was.
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I don't disagree but nothing has changed other than the clubs desperate for help are another 5 days worse off in having none.

Dundee need to declare their position.

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It always amazes me that no matter what is being discussed on here you still always get the same resident experts popping up and telling everyone else what is right and wrong about it in an extremely condescending manner. Then when they get proven wrong they quickly change their tact into a jokey, matey manner and ride the storm out until the next subject that they are experts in materialises, and on it gies again....

comment by Zachsda(change our mindset, treat this seriously) (U1850)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Zachsda(change our mindset, treat this serious... (U1850)
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comment by son of quebec (U8127)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 20 seconds ago
Another 3 weeks at least of Lockdown despite what others say
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Looking more like after the May bank holiday which is around the 8th. Thought it would be end of this month but forgot about the holiday.

Makes sense to be fair. No point opening up for 4 days.

Interestingly IMF have just declared that the UK is heading for the worst recession in over a century and the world since the Deep Depression.

And that's before any lockdown extension.
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No no it was the Great Depression.
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That’s what I called her phannie
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And deep as I recall
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That was relativity mate
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Secks is boring.

Necrophilia is dead boring.

Incest is relatively boring.

comment by Zachsda(change our mindset, treat this serious... (U1850)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Zachsda(change our mindset, treat this serious... (U1850)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 20 seconds ago
Another 3 weeks at least of Lockdown despite what others say
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Looking more like after the May bank holiday which is around the 8th. Thought it would be end of this month but forgot about the holiday.

Makes sense to be fair. No point opening up for 4 days.

Interestingly IMF have just declared that the UK is heading for the worst recession in over a century and the world since the Deep Depression.

And that's before any lockdown extension.
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No no it was the Great Depression.
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That’s what I called her phannie
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And deep as I recall
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That was relativity mate
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Trust you to bring science into it

Good to blow them away noo and again tho

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posted 1 minute ago
Good to blow them away noo and again tho
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What is?

And what?

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he information dispensed to Clubs and the process utilised in putting forward the resolution, could potentially be held to be a breach of the duty by the SPFL to provide sufficient information to member clubs to allow them to make a properly informed decision in relation to the SPFL’s resolution. In particular, the Opinion highlights the fact that the SPFL did not explain to member clubs alternative means by which payments could be made other than by requiring the immediate termination of the current league season. On that basis, clubs may have lacked sufficient information – by omission - to make an informed decision based on the SPFL’s briefing document.

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This is the key failure by the SPFL for me.

They so clearly biased the decision in favour of one option when it's clear there were other options available.

These options may (or may not) have been far less palatable/ workable but any responsible organisation putting a significant proposal to it's members must lay out all the options on an equal footing in terms of pros & cons and let the clubs decide on the fullest information possible.

Not having all the options (and potential consequences/benefits) in the open leads to poor quality decisions.
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It’s a litany of Fack ups from the start and you would need to be really bitter with an ulterior motive not to recognise this. Six options discussed but only one put to vote, telling the clubs a yes vote is the only way to get their money when another option exists, the 5pm deadline that could be extended to 28 days to gain a negotiating advantage, the changing of a no vote to a yes vote - it has been an unmitigated disaster and the fact that there are no impartial and independent voices defending the SPFL says all you need to know on the matter. But some will turn a blind eye to the incompetence and downright corruption because they stand to gain a trophy from it that they have not won. And at the same time they paint themselves whiter than white and the paragons of virtue. It is absolutely pathetic and reeks of desperation to get one over their rivals whilst the country is on its knees with tens of thousands dying!

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exactly vote yes and we may give you the money you need to survive, vote no and we'll hold it

that seems like a pretty fair vote PMSL.

Dundee given weeks to vote vote one way and now want to retract it because... who the F knows.

I can't imagine any other body c0cking something up so badly.


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That goes back to the current rule that prize money can only be given at the end of the season.

If the season isn't over......
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that's fine by me, let's finish the season on the pitch
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The country is on it's knees and thousands are dying. <sic>

So it's going to court then?

I look forward to my supposition being put before the judges

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comment by Bluebell (U7064)
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Good to blow them away noo and again tho
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What is?

And what?
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The resident experts!

And YOU

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 20 seconds ago
Another 3 weeks at least of Lockdown despite what others say
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Looking more like after the May bank holiday which is around the 8th. Thought it would be end of this month but forgot about the holiday.

Makes sense to be fair. No point opening up for 4 days.

Interestingly IMF have just declared that the UK is heading for the worst recession in over a century and the world since the Deep Depression.

And that's before any lockdown extension.
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No no it was the Great Depression.
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Deep

Great

I'm sure everyone got the drift
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Vicar of Dibley.

To continue on the Vicar show line:

No no no yes. Dundee FC

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comment by deBear (U8633)
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he information dispensed to Clubs and the process utilised in putting forward the resolution, could potentially be held to be a breach of the duty by the SPFL to provide sufficient information to member clubs to allow them to make a properly informed decision in relation to the SPFL’s resolution. In particular, the Opinion highlights the fact that the SPFL did not explain to member clubs alternative means by which payments could be made other than by requiring the immediate termination of the current league season. On that basis, clubs may have lacked sufficient information – by omission - to make an informed decision based on the SPFL’s briefing document.

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This is the key failure by the SPFL for me.

They so clearly biased the decision in favour of one option when it's clear there were other options available.

These options may (or may not) have been far less palatable/ workable but any responsible organisation putting a significant proposal to it's members must lay out all the options on an equal footing in terms of pros & cons and let the clubs decide on the fullest information possible.

Not having all the options (and potential consequences/benefits) in the open leads to poor quality decisions.
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It’s a litany of Fack ups from the start and you would need to be really bitter with an ulterior motive not to recognise this. Six options discussed but only one put to vote, telling the clubs a yes vote is the only way to get their money when another option exists, the 5pm deadline that could be extended to 28 days to gain a negotiating advantage, the changing of a no vote to a yes vote - it has been an unmitigated disaster and the fact that there are no impartial and independent voices defending the SPFL says all you need to know on the matter. But some will turn a blind eye to the incompetence and downright corruption because they stand to gain a trophy from it that they have not won. And at the same time they paint themselves whiter than white and the paragons of virtue. It is absolutely pathetic and reeks of desperation to get one over their rivals whilst the country is on its knees with tens of thousands dying!

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exactly vote yes and we may give you the money you need to survive, vote no and we'll hold it

that seems like a pretty fair vote PMSL.

Dundee given weeks to vote vote one way and now want to retract it because... who the F knows.

I can't imagine any other body c0cking something up so badly.


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That goes back to the current rule that prize money can only be given at the end of the season.

If the season isn't over......
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that's fine by me, let's finish the season on the pitch
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The country is on it's knees and thousands are dying. <sic>

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Which part do you not agree to?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1250030590512037889

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 13 minutes ago
So it's going to court then?

I look forward to my supposition being put before the judges


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Filth

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comment by I got Braga Bragging Rights (U21917)
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comment by (U22371)
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comment by deBear (U8633)
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he information dispensed to Clubs and the process utilised in putting forward the resolution, could potentially be held to be a breach of the duty by the SPFL to provide sufficient information to member clubs to allow them to make a properly informed decision in relation to the SPFL’s resolution. In particular, the Opinion highlights the fact that the SPFL did not explain to member clubs alternative means by which payments could be made other than by requiring the immediate termination of the current league season. On that basis, clubs may have lacked sufficient information – by omission - to make an informed decision based on the SPFL’s briefing document.

--------------------------------

This is the key failure by the SPFL for me.

They so clearly biased the decision in favour of one option when it's clear there were other options available.

These options may (or may not) have been far less palatable/ workable but any responsible organisation putting a significant proposal to it's members must lay out all the options on an equal footing in terms of pros & cons and let the clubs decide on the fullest information possible.

Not having all the options (and potential consequences/benefits) in the open leads to poor quality decisions.
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It’s a litany of Fack ups from the start and you would need to be really bitter with an ulterior motive not to recognise this. Six options discussed but only one put to vote, telling the clubs a yes vote is the only way to get their money when another option exists, the 5pm deadline that could be extended to 28 days to gain a negotiating advantage, the changing of a no vote to a yes vote - it has been an unmitigated disaster and the fact that there are no impartial and independent voices defending the SPFL says all you need to know on the matter. But some will turn a blind eye to the incompetence and downright corruption because they stand to gain a trophy from it that they have not won. And at the same time they paint themselves whiter than white and the paragons of virtue. It is absolutely pathetic and reeks of desperation to get one over their rivals whilst the country is on its knees with tens of thousands dying!

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exactly vote yes and we may give you the money you need to survive, vote no and we'll hold it

that seems like a pretty fair vote PMSL.

Dundee given weeks to vote vote one way and now want to retract it because... who the F knows.

I can't imagine any other body c0cking something up so badly.


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That goes back to the current rule that prize money can only be given at the end of the season.

If the season isn't over......
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that's fine by me, let's finish the season on the pitch
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The country is on it's knees and thousands are dying. <sic>

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Which part do you not agree to?

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You are the part I disagree with, Numbskull.
You use people dying in a football forum to attack your rivals.
Vile does not begin to describe you.

Now fek aft and annoy ginger, Dafty.

comment by Bluebell (U7064)
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comment by Bluebell (U7064)
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Good to blow them away noo and again tho
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What is?

And what?
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The resident experts!

And YOU


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I gave my considered opinion which a QC disagrees with.

He might be wrong

Fwck me, how can I argue with that? My understanding was way off course. Ah well; every day and all that. I certainly appear to have got that wrong.

The essence from further reading is that the SPFL failed to inform clubs that they could ask for loans and they didn't have to be tied into ending the season. With that maybe clubs would have voted differently and just applied for a loan.

I'm not convinced that the SPFL would have been able to loan to all and sundry as it also states they could ask for security against these loans in any event but that doesn't change the fact.

Of note also I believe is that the SPFL cannot declare the season ended which in turn means they cannot give out prize money. They mention August but I don't know why. Seems late to me.

Lastly, I don't think the QC or the legal agents will be too impressed at having their legal advice put up on a football forum for all and sundry to read, but we can let you go to jail for that

. It is absolutely pathetic and reeks of desperation to get one over their rivals whilst the country is on its knees with tens of thousands dying!
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Like voting no 👍

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5486624/rangers-ending-season-bill-leckie/

There’s even a shred of logic in Caley Thistle and Dundee believing they might somehow both go up to the top flight if the season went the distance.

But Rangers? I simply can’t see what they have to lose by agreeing to call it quits.

They’d get some cash everyone knows they need.

They’d help a whole of lot of other clubs be sure of surviving until the shutters clatter back up.

They’d come across as The Bigger Man by handing their greatest rivals the title in the name of the greater good.

Most of all, though, by being this Bigger Man they’d be able to crow that Celtic didn’t actually win the title, that it’s only actually eight and a half in a row, that if this was an episode of Friends it would be called The One With The Asterisk.

Whereas, if somehow the season ever did restart, they could lose the last two Old Firm games, end up 20-odd points adrift, it would be nine for real and there would be a lot less chance of Steven Gerrard hanging around to try and stop ten.

Ginger

Legal aid and your paying hahaha!

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comment by son of quebec (U8127)
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comment by I got Braga Bragging Rights (U21917)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by I got Braga Bragging Rights (U21917)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (U22371)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 24 seconds ago
he information dispensed to Clubs and the process utilised in putting forward the resolution, could potentially be held to be a breach of the duty by the SPFL to provide sufficient information to member clubs to allow them to make a properly informed decision in relation to the SPFL’s resolution. In particular, the Opinion highlights the fact that the SPFL did not explain to member clubs alternative means by which payments could be made other than by requiring the immediate termination of the current league season. On that basis, clubs may have lacked sufficient information – by omission - to make an informed decision based on the SPFL’s briefing document.

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This is the key failure by the SPFL for me.

They so clearly biased the decision in favour of one option when it's clear there were other options available.

These options may (or may not) have been far less palatable/ workable but any responsible organisation putting a significant proposal to it's members must lay out all the options on an equal footing in terms of pros & cons and let the clubs decide on the fullest information possible.

Not having all the options (and potential consequences/benefits) in the open leads to poor quality decisions.
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It’s a litany of Fack ups from the start and you would need to be really bitter with an ulterior motive not to recognise this. Six options discussed but only one put to vote, telling the clubs a yes vote is the only way to get their money when another option exists, the 5pm deadline that could be extended to 28 days to gain a negotiating advantage, the changing of a no vote to a yes vote - it has been an unmitigated disaster and the fact that there are no impartial and independent voices defending the SPFL says all you need to know on the matter. But some will turn a blind eye to the incompetence and downright corruption because they stand to gain a trophy from it that they have not won. And at the same time they paint themselves whiter than white and the paragons of virtue. It is absolutely pathetic and reeks of desperation to get one over their rivals whilst the country is on its knees with tens of thousands dying!

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exactly vote yes and we may give you the money you need to survive, vote no and we'll hold it

that seems like a pretty fair vote PMSL.

Dundee given weeks to vote vote one way and now want to retract it because... who the F knows.

I can't imagine any other body c0cking something up so badly.


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That goes back to the current rule that prize money can only be given at the end of the season.

If the season isn't over......
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that's fine by me, let's finish the season on the pitch
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The country is on it's knees and thousands are dying. <sic>

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Which part do you not agree to?

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You are the part I disagree with, Numbskull.
You use people dying in a football forum to attack your rivals.
Vile does not begin to describe you.

Now fek aft and annoy ginger, Dafty.
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Agree

What has the fact people are dying got to do any club and how they vote

Guys a fcking bitter wee idiot