Lets be honest most male ex footballers who are pundits are awful. Ex Spurs players included.

Ally McCoist is probably the best of lot but he is not on Sky very much. I would put Roy Keane up there as well. Robbie Fowler is decent.

Carragher is ok, Neville is useless. Richards is a 🤡. Ian Wright is wet. Shearer is dry. Danny Murphy is an idiot. The same can be said for Michael Owen and so on.

I don't mind if the woman pundit is fit. No harm in having abit of eye candy. The only woman pundit I can't stand is Lianne Sanderson but agree we don't need two women for a mens game. One is ok as long as she is fit.

as long as she is fit

comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
Lets be honest most male ex footballers who are pundits are awful. Ex Spurs players included.

Ally McCoist is probably the best of lot but he is not on Sky very much. I would put Roy Keane up there as well. Robbie Fowler is decent.

Carragher is ok, Neville is useless. Richards is a 🤡. Ian Wright is wet. Shearer is dry. Danny Murphy is an idiot. The same can be said for Michael Owen and so on.

I don't mind if the woman pundit is fit. No harm in having abit of eye candy. The only woman pundit I can't stand is Lianne Sanderson but agree we don't need two women for a mens game. One is ok as long as she is fit.
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So are some of the female ex footballers who commentate.

Doesn't bother me too much. Don't really listen to most pundits. Better off searching for dedicated podcasts or YouTube. 90% of the time they aren't even talking about your team.

comment by canspur (U17707)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
Lets be honest most male ex footballers who are pundits are awful. Ex Spurs players included.

Ally McCoist is probably the best of lot but he is not on Sky very much. I would put Roy Keane up there as well. Robbie Fowler is decent.

Carragher is ok, Neville is useless. Richards is a 🤡. Ian Wright is wet. Shearer is dry. Danny Murphy is an idiot. The same can be said for Michael Owen and so on.

I don't mind if the woman pundit is fit. No harm in having abit of eye candy. The only woman pundit I can't stand is Lianne Sanderson but agree we don't need two women for a mens game. One is ok as long as she is fit.
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So are some of the female ex footballers who commentate.
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Agree, for tactical analysis they should get some of the best coaches male or female...not ex players that can't get non-league manager jobs

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Really don’t care. Turn the game on at KO. Coffee and poo at HT. turn the game off at FT.

Couldn’t make one female pundit. Can only name the male pundits as they have played the game I watched (mid 90s).

I imagine the women are being introduced so female viewers can relate?

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*Name not make

comment by canspur (U17707)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
Lets be honest most male ex footballers who are pundits are awful. Ex Spurs players included.

Ally McCoist is probably the best of lot but he is not on Sky very much. I would put Roy Keane up there as well. Robbie Fowler is decent.

Carragher is ok, Neville is useless. Richards is a 🤡. Ian Wright is wet. Shearer is dry. Danny Murphy is an idiot. The same can be said for Michael Owen and so on.

I don't mind if the woman pundit is fit. No harm in having abit of eye candy. The only woman pundit I can't stand is Lianne Sanderson but agree we don't need two women for a mens game. One is ok as long as she is fit.
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So are some of the female ex footballers who commentate.
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Some? All of them are not qualified to talk about the men's game. As I said as long as they are fit they will do. I don't really take much interest in what pundits have to say but if Roy Keane is on then I will watch him for entertainment.

They act like there was never a female presenter but Sky and BBC have had Gabby and Kelly as presenters for years, and they do a pretty good job I think. The new ones I feel are so forced, its like pushing an agenda. Just like women's football, the quality is abysmal but if you question it, well you're a misogynist pig.

These days they don't even hire on merit, as long as it ticks the diversity box, and I'm from an ethnic background and its starting to get really tiring.

They are usually better than the men.

Most of them are more insightful, knowledgable, and better researched than your average male ex-player pundit.

You’re going to learn far more about what’s going on on the pitch, where the key battles are, what the coaches are thinking and doing, etc. and in richer context from any of Alex Scott, Shelley Kerr, Karen Carney, Eni Aluko or Emma Hayes than the likes of Paul Merson, Michael Owen, Paul Scholes, Jermaine Jenas or Chris Sutton, for example.

Part of the problem in the UK is that football punditry and journalism in general has been absolutely gutter standard for decades. Zero tactical analysis, zero insight, anachronistic ideas about the game, zero prep done by the pundits (measure Emma Hayes there against, say, Robbie Savage ) resulting in surface-level descriptions of events at best.

Anyone who has lived anywhere in Europe will recognise that there’s an absolute chasm in terms of the quality of analysis, pre- and post-games. There’s often an hour pre-game here in which three pundits will absolutely dissect recent performances of the sides to feature, tactical nuances and recent changes, tactical advantages of one side over the other, what the coaches will have been working on specifically in preparation for the game, key battles, prior games between the sides and what they mean for this fixture, etc.

Like the tabloids’ sports reporting, commentary and punditry in the UK is aimed at people with a Key Stage 2 education. It’s utter dross, and every time I see a game on TV when I’m back home it makes me cringe.

comment by eRedIn (U4302)
posted 9 minutes ago
They act like there was never a female presenter but Sky and BBC have had Gabby and Kelly as presenters for years, and they do a pretty good job I think. The new ones I feel are so forced, its like pushing an agenda. Just like women's football, the quality is abysmal but if you question it, well you're a misogynist pig.

These days they don't even hire on merit, as long as it ticks the diversity box, and I'm from an ethnic background and its starting to get really tiring.
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If you think that the quality of female football pundits on British TV is worse than the average across male pundits, you’re either blinded by bigotry or decades out of date in your understanding of the technical and tactical aspects of the game, because in those respects, they’re a level above most male ex-players.

you’re either blinded by bigotry or decades out of date in your understanding of the technical and tactical aspects of the game
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That’s about 90% of the British fanbase, to be fair.

Well this thread is showing a few people up for having embarrassing sexist views.

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Most of them are more insightful, knowledgable, and better researched than your average male ex-player pundit.

You’re going to learn far more about what’s going on on the pitch, where the key battles are, what the coaches are thinking and doing, etc. and in richer context from any of Alex Scott, Shelley Kerr, Karen Carney, Eni Aluko or Emma Hayes than the likes of Paul Merson, Michael Owen, Paul Scholes, Jermaine Jenas or Chris Sutton, for example.

Part of the problem in the UK is that football punditry and journalism in general has been absolutely gutter standard for decades. Zero tactical analysis, zero insight, anachronistic ideas about the game, zero prep done by the pundits (measure Emma Hayes there against, say, Robbie Savage) resulting in surface-level descriptions of events at best.

Anyone who has lived anywhere in Europe will recognise that there’s an absolute chasm in terms of the quality of analysis, pre- and post-games. There’s often an hour pre-game here in which three pundits will absolutely dissect recent performances of the sides to feature, tactical nuances and recent changes, tactical advantages of one side over the other, what the coaches will have been working on specifically in preparation for the game, key battles, prior games between the sides and what they mean for this fixture, etc.

Like the tabloids’ sports reporting, commentary and punditry in the UK is aimed at people with a Key Stage 2 education. It’s utter dross, and every time I see a game on TV when I’m back home it makes me cringe.
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Yeah you can tell 90% of male pundits do literally zero research before games and just spout their own opinions regardless of whether the facts back that up.

Perfect example being Richards who said it was only this season that Benzema had finally convinced him he's up there with Kane and Lewandowski

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Well this thread is showing a few people up for having embarrassing sexist views.
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what's wrong with being sexy?

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 4 minutes ago
Well this thread is showing a few people up for having embarrassing sexist views.
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Is it possible to have sexist views that aren’t embarrassing?

comment by Michael The Morb Morbius (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
you’re either blinded by bigotry or decades out of date in your understanding of the technical and tactical aspects of the game
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That’s about 90% of the British fanbase, to be fair.
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It’s a you-get-what-you-voted-for type vicious circle of football ignorance.

I don’t think your average Match of the Day viewer has any idea what they’re missing out on to know to demand better, because all they’ve heard and read growing up is “so-and-so a player is lazy”, “so-and-so a team wanted it more”, “this player had a great game whilst that player was terrible”, and similarly banal platitudes for 90 minutes every week for a lifetime.

That kind of dross then shapes their own level of understanding of the game.

Women football pundits are just awful.

their trying too ban us from being white males burnley were right too protest why are they not taking knees for white people do we not matter to pc gone mad we are oppressed

the Chelsea womens manager is a good pundit imo

most pundits male or female i stuggle to listen to so i dont tune in and only watch the actual match these days

Roy Keane and Carragher are the only others i have much time for these days and even the former becomes a bit of a parody of himself at times

comment by Genius of Nielsen (U9059)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 4 minutes ago
Well this thread is showing a few people up for having embarrassing sexist views.
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Is it possible to have sexist views that aren’t embarrassing?
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Good point. A bit of redundancy in my comment.

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Michael The Morb Morbius (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
you’re either blinded by bigotry or decades out of date in your understanding of the technical and tactical aspects of the game
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That’s about 90% of the British fanbase, to be fair.
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It’s a you-get-what-you-voted-for type vicious circle of football ignorance.

I don’t think your average Match of the Day viewer has any idea what they’re missing out on to know to demand better, because all they’ve heard and read growing up is “so-and-so a player is lazy”, “so-and-so a team wanted it more”, “this player had a great game whilst that player was terrible”, and similarly banal platitudes for 90 minutes every week for a lifetime.

That kind of dross then shapes their own level of understanding of the game.
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Yeah definitely. Though what I will say is that for many fans that have started to discover tactical analysis, it’s gone too far the other way. Tactics are only a small part of the game, and but they’ve been elevated to (and consequently the coaches) chess level by many.