comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted about a minute ago
We done the basics well against Madrid I thought, the amount of times we've needlessly given the ball away in the 2 Leipzig games is very frustrating, we got ourselves into so much bother by poor passing, being caught on the ball in dangerous areas etc
Ange is all about moving the ball forward quickly, last few games we've been knocking it about the back 5 scared to try and play our usual way
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Indeed. Because we aren’t good enough and that includes mental strength and character.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by trollfecker (U5668)
posted about 4 hours ago
I’m just back from the match and though I’m disappointed I thought we gave it a reasonable go but just didn’t have that killer touch in front of goal split second decisions cost us .What really hacked me off was thousands of our fans streaming out the door when the second went in that’s disappointing to see .
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Place certainly emptied very quickly after the second, could hear how flat the atmosphere got after that too
Bottom line….your high press system just doesn’t work at this level…not with the player you have anyway
Your team was breathing oot their backsides by the hour mark…..Leipzig hadnt made a single sub up to that point either……their first was a huge goal but it was coming……they freshened up after that and got the killer second, then just seen it out
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Let’s get this right, our high press doesn’t work at this level but rangers are a CL level team because they reached the ropey final?
Right
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we can compete at this level , rangers proved that.
We put out two champ league level teams last year.
Dortmund and Leipzig both finished third in their groups last year. so they were without doubt champ league level teams. and have again proven that this season.
We can without doubt compete against these teams if the manager gets it right.
We have already proven that.
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Right. So it’s both the managers fault then yes?
Beating a couple of better quality sides in one offs proves nothing other than the result on the night.
The key element missing from both of us is consistency. You need consistency to be able to say you can compete or be at a certain standard.
Neither of us have proven anything other than we are cannon fodder and an almost given 3 points against anyone else at this level. The results prove that if nothing else.
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sometimes... I didnt say we will always compete but we hvae proven we can.
we put out two champ league level teams last year. they proved they were champ league level by finishing 3rd in their groups and were not fodder.
the fact are ew can compete against them , we have proven that. by not only competing against two teams last year of that level, but beating them.
When did you compete in the CL group stages?
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 seconds ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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Could t string 3 passes together at Anfield
Pumped 3-0 at home
Defending like school boys against a poor Ajax team
But last season they beat Dortmund
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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I said we can compete against CL standard teams , i said we proved that last year, which we did.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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I said we can compete against CL standard teams , i said we proved that last year, which we did.
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And I’m saying you (not we) can compute at CL standard in that exact competition.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by trollfecker (U5668)
posted about 4 hours ago
I’m just back from the match and though I’m disappointed I thought we gave it a reasonable go but just didn’t have that killer touch in front of goal split second decisions cost us .What really hacked me off was thousands of our fans streaming out the door when the second went in that’s disappointing to see .
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Place certainly emptied very quickly after the second, could hear how flat the atmosphere got after that too
Bottom line….your high press system just doesn’t work at this level…not with the player you have anyway
Your team was breathing oot their backsides by the hour mark…..Leipzig hadnt made a single sub up to that point either……their first was a huge goal but it was coming……they freshened up after that and got the killer second, then just seen it out
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Let’s get this right, our high press doesn’t work at this level but rangers are a CL level team because they reached the ropey final?
Right
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we can compete at this level , rangers proved that.
We put out two champ league level teams last year.
Dortmund and Leipzig both finished third in their groups last year. so they were without doubt champ league level teams. and have again proven that this season.
We can without doubt compete against these teams if the manager gets it right.
We have already proven that.
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Right. So it’s both the managers fault then yes?
Beating a couple of better quality sides in one offs proves nothing other than the result on the night.
The key element missing from both of us is consistency. You need consistency to be able to say you can compete or be at a certain standard.
Neither of us have proven anything other than we are cannon fodder and an almost given 3 points against anyone else at this level. The results prove that if nothing else.
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So how many times does your team need to run out of puff in the latter stages before the penny drops that you simply can't win games at this level by going all out for an hour then breathing out yer erse for the last 30?
In the same vein.....how many time does Gio have to set us up as negative as can possibly be, try to play out front he back only to lump it forward when there is a huge gap between our defence/midfield and forward players...and lose it again
Yes...managers do have to take criticism if they are doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
When did you compete in the CL group stages?
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are you saying that Dortmund were not a CL level team last year and also this year?
did we not compete with that level of team?
Leipzig and Dortmund were CL league level teams, like it or not they are nd they were last year also.
A team that finished 3rd in the CL is a champ league level team , FACT. we defeated them both last season. Unless we somehow beat them both with being competitive against them.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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3 champions league games, zero points.
I mean thats delusional right there.
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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3 champions league games, zero points.
I mean thats delusional right there.
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please read my posts correctly ... I never said we are a CL standard team I said we can compete with them.
we have already proven we can compete against CL level teams.
it's all about styles, if you set your team up to play the way we do in Europe you're going to be conceding most games
if you don't take your chances you're gubbed
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
When did you compete in the CL group stages?
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are you saying that Dortmund were not a CL level team last year and also this year?
did we not compete with that level of team?
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There was a very straightforward and simple question there.
You chose to obfuscate. You nor we are capable of competing at CL group stage level. That’s a fact at this stage.
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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3 champions league games, zero points.
I mean thats delusional right there.
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There’s just arguing for the sake of it now. Don’t know why we just all don’t accept it. One day I hope it will change.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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3 champions league games, zero points.
I mean thats delusional right there.
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please read my posts correctly ... I never said we are a CL standard team I said we can compete with them.
we have already proven we can compete against CL level teams.
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You did. But you are obfuscating around the original point which was that we can’t compete at a CL standard. And I mean “compete”. We aren’t at that level.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
When did you compete in the CL group stages?
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are you saying that Dortmund were not a CL level team last year and also this year?
did we not compete with that level of team?
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There was a very straightforward and simple question there.
You chose to obfuscate. You nor we are capable of competing at CL group stage level. That’s a fact at this stage.
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we defeated two champ league level teams 6 months ago.
thats a fact. My argument has always been we can compete against CL level teams , cos we have proven we can.
Like it or lump it we can. Just because we havent this year doesnt mean we cannot.
you point blank refuse to accept this.
so in order to to do lets do it step by step.
my argument is we can compete agains these teams.
first of please define a what is meant by a Champ League Level team. Id say its a team that compete somewhat regularly and if you finish third in the CL groups then you are 100% of that level, might not dominate but you are of that level.
would agree with that ?
Celtic should have beaten Shaktar away, so should have enough to beat them at home too
Celtic are capable of beating Leipzig....tough ask away, but capable of it at home
You win 3 out of those four games, chances are you qualify for the last 16
The way some people are talking it's as if doing that is a complete impossibility...for me, I'm sorry, that's just utter bollox
Celtic could easily be sitting with 3 or 4 points at the money...well in contention for finishing 3rd or even pushing for second....for me that's competing
They've are not in that situation because they are miles behind everyone else...they are in that situation because they've been wasteful on front of goal, and are continually trying to win games in 60mins rather than conserving energy for the full 90
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
When did you compete in the CL group stages?
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are you saying that Dortmund were not a CL level team last year and also this year?
did we not compete with that level of team?
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There was a very straightforward and simple question there.
You chose to obfuscate. You nor we are capable of competing at CL group stage level. That’s a fact at this stage.
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Just because we have not made a very good job of trying to compete in the CL group stages this year does not mean we are not capable of doing so.
The thing you are presenting as a definite fact is not a fact at all.
Rangers competed with and indeed beat two teams that finished third in their CL groups last season. That is a fact.
It doesnt mean that if we played the same teams again in the CL itself we could get similar results.
But it does show IMO that we are CAPABLE of competing against teams that finish third in the CL groups.
And IMO our aim should be to beat teams of that standard to that third place slot.
I think both Rangers and celtic are capable of that.
Rangers have played (first 60 minutes of the Napoli game aside) with fear and a complete lack of belief in the CL this year. Its no wonder really that we have zero points and zero goals with Gio saying what he has said about the team.
We had a really tough draw but we definitely could have put up more of a fight.
I'm disappointed with how the groups went, after the way we played in the first 2 games I was really hopeful about the double header with Leipzig
our performances have seriously dipped since Shakthar in Europe and domestically
Tough read this.
I can actually see both sides of the arguments.
I'd like to console myself by thinking about the chances we have missed and thinking what might have been, etc, etc.
The truth is, we missed those chances because the players are not good enough at this level at present.
Some have elements...technical ability, composure, physicality, fitness, etc. Not one player in Scotland has all of it. The big CL teams have plenty of players with the whole package.
Maeda hadn't missed chances because he's been unlucky. He misses them because he has an unreliable first touch and a lack of composure.
The fact that he keeps starting suggests that the manager is a bit short at this level too.
The Kyogo and GG misses at that level are shockers
We should be able to at least ‘compete’ if or when we reach the group stages. To an extent, we have-but only to an extent. We’ve shown we can create chances at this level, we need to convert far more than we have been though. We’re still conceding sloppy goals at times as well, and it’s a combination that’s a killer.
Rangers had a great run in Europe last season-they’ve not shown anything like that this season.
I think it all comes down to how you want to define ‘competitive’ when you want this kind of debate.
also annoying that there's a good chance we'll take 4 points off the Pot 3 team and still finish bottom of the group
comment by Magnum (2 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 29 minutes ago
Tough read this.
I can actually see both sides of the arguments.
I'd like to console myself by thinking about the chances we have missed and thinking what might have been, etc, etc.
The truth is, we missed those chances because the players are not good enough at this level at present.
Some have elements...technical ability, composure, physicality, fitness, etc. Not one player in Scotland has all of it. The big CL teams have plenty of players with the whole package.
Maeda hadn't missed chances because he's been unlucky. He misses them because he has an unreliable first touch and a lack of composure.
The fact that he keeps starting suggests that the manager is a bit short at this level too.
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Totally agree with all of that.....but
McGregor hits the post against Real
GG 10 yards out against Shaktar...puts it wide
Joe Hart's mistake in Leipzig
Greg Taylor has an open net and hits the bar
Kyogo free header on the penalty spot...puts it over
The difference between these things resulting on goals for/against you....isn't millions of pounds and a vast gulf that simply can't be bridged....it's fine margins, it's better decision making, it's basic stuff
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posted on 12/10/22
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted about a minute ago
We done the basics well against Madrid I thought, the amount of times we've needlessly given the ball away in the 2 Leipzig games is very frustrating, we got ourselves into so much bother by poor passing, being caught on the ball in dangerous areas etc
Ange is all about moving the ball forward quickly, last few games we've been knocking it about the back 5 scared to try and play our usual way
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Indeed. Because we aren’t good enough and that includes mental strength and character.
posted on 12/10/22
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by trollfecker (U5668)
posted about 4 hours ago
I’m just back from the match and though I’m disappointed I thought we gave it a reasonable go but just didn’t have that killer touch in front of goal split second decisions cost us .What really hacked me off was thousands of our fans streaming out the door when the second went in that’s disappointing to see .
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Place certainly emptied very quickly after the second, could hear how flat the atmosphere got after that too
Bottom line….your high press system just doesn’t work at this level…not with the player you have anyway
Your team was breathing oot their backsides by the hour mark…..Leipzig hadnt made a single sub up to that point either……their first was a huge goal but it was coming……they freshened up after that and got the killer second, then just seen it out
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Let’s get this right, our high press doesn’t work at this level but rangers are a CL level team because they reached the ropey final?
Right
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we can compete at this level , rangers proved that.
We put out two champ league level teams last year.
Dortmund and Leipzig both finished third in their groups last year. so they were without doubt champ league level teams. and have again proven that this season.
We can without doubt compete against these teams if the manager gets it right.
We have already proven that.
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Right. So it’s both the managers fault then yes?
Beating a couple of better quality sides in one offs proves nothing other than the result on the night.
The key element missing from both of us is consistency. You need consistency to be able to say you can compete or be at a certain standard.
Neither of us have proven anything other than we are cannon fodder and an almost given 3 points against anyone else at this level. The results prove that if nothing else.
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sometimes... I didnt say we will always compete but we hvae proven we can.
we put out two champ league level teams last year. they proved they were champ league level by finishing 3rd in their groups and were not fodder.
the fact are ew can compete against them , we have proven that. by not only competing against two teams last year of that level, but beating them.
posted on 12/10/22
When did you compete in the CL group stages?
posted on 12/10/22
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 seconds ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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Could t string 3 passes together at Anfield
Pumped 3-0 at home
Defending like school boys against a poor Ajax team
But last season they beat Dortmund
posted on 12/10/22
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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I said we can compete against CL standard teams , i said we proved that last year, which we did.
posted on 12/10/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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I said we can compete against CL standard teams , i said we proved that last year, which we did.
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And I’m saying you (not we) can compute at CL standard in that exact competition.
posted on 12/10/22
(nor we)
posted on 12/10/22
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by trollfecker (U5668)
posted about 4 hours ago
I’m just back from the match and though I’m disappointed I thought we gave it a reasonable go but just didn’t have that killer touch in front of goal split second decisions cost us .What really hacked me off was thousands of our fans streaming out the door when the second went in that’s disappointing to see .
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Place certainly emptied very quickly after the second, could hear how flat the atmosphere got after that too
Bottom line….your high press system just doesn’t work at this level…not with the player you have anyway
Your team was breathing oot their backsides by the hour mark…..Leipzig hadnt made a single sub up to that point either……their first was a huge goal but it was coming……they freshened up after that and got the killer second, then just seen it out
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Let’s get this right, our high press doesn’t work at this level but rangers are a CL level team because they reached the ropey final?
Right
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we can compete at this level , rangers proved that.
We put out two champ league level teams last year.
Dortmund and Leipzig both finished third in their groups last year. so they were without doubt champ league level teams. and have again proven that this season.
We can without doubt compete against these teams if the manager gets it right.
We have already proven that.
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Right. So it’s both the managers fault then yes?
Beating a couple of better quality sides in one offs proves nothing other than the result on the night.
The key element missing from both of us is consistency. You need consistency to be able to say you can compete or be at a certain standard.
Neither of us have proven anything other than we are cannon fodder and an almost given 3 points against anyone else at this level. The results prove that if nothing else.
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So how many times does your team need to run out of puff in the latter stages before the penny drops that you simply can't win games at this level by going all out for an hour then breathing out yer erse for the last 30?
In the same vein.....how many time does Gio have to set us up as negative as can possibly be, try to play out front he back only to lump it forward when there is a huge gap between our defence/midfield and forward players...and lose it again
Yes...managers do have to take criticism if they are doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results
posted on 12/10/22
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
When did you compete in the CL group stages?
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are you saying that Dortmund were not a CL level team last year and also this year?
did we not compete with that level of team?
posted on 12/10/22
Leipzig and Dortmund were CL league level teams, like it or not they are nd they were last year also.
A team that finished 3rd in the CL is a champ league level team , FACT. we defeated them both last season. Unless we somehow beat them both with being competitive against them.
posted on 12/10/22
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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3 champions league games, zero points.
I mean thats delusional right there.
posted on 12/10/22
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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3 champions league games, zero points.
I mean thats delusional right there.
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please read my posts correctly ... I never said we are a CL standard team I said we can compete with them.
we have already proven we can compete against CL level teams.
posted on 12/10/22
it's all about styles, if you set your team up to play the way we do in Europe you're going to be conceding most games
if you don't take your chances you're gubbed
posted on 12/10/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
When did you compete in the CL group stages?
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are you saying that Dortmund were not a CL level team last year and also this year?
did we not compete with that level of team?
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There was a very straightforward and simple question there.
You chose to obfuscate. You nor we are capable of competing at CL group stage level. That’s a fact at this stage.
posted on 12/10/22
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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3 champions league games, zero points.
I mean thats delusional right there.
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There’s just arguing for the sake of it now. Don’t know why we just all don’t accept it. One day I hope it will change.
posted on 12/10/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
And Rangers have in no way proven they are CL standard. That’s just nonsense.
If anything. Quite the opposite.
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3 champions league games, zero points.
I mean thats delusional right there.
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please read my posts correctly ... I never said we are a CL standard team I said we can compete with them.
we have already proven we can compete against CL level teams.
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You did. But you are obfuscating around the original point which was that we can’t compete at a CL standard. And I mean “compete”. We aren’t at that level.
posted on 12/10/22
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
When did you compete in the CL group stages?
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are you saying that Dortmund were not a CL level team last year and also this year?
did we not compete with that level of team?
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There was a very straightforward and simple question there.
You chose to obfuscate. You nor we are capable of competing at CL group stage level. That’s a fact at this stage.
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we defeated two champ league level teams 6 months ago.
thats a fact. My argument has always been we can compete against CL level teams , cos we have proven we can.
Like it or lump it we can. Just because we havent this year doesnt mean we cannot.
you point blank refuse to accept this.
so in order to to do lets do it step by step.
my argument is we can compete agains these teams.
first of please define a what is meant by a Champ League Level team. Id say its a team that compete somewhat regularly and if you finish third in the CL groups then you are 100% of that level, might not dominate but you are of that level.
would agree with that ?
posted on 12/10/22
Celtic should have beaten Shaktar away, so should have enough to beat them at home too
Celtic are capable of beating Leipzig....tough ask away, but capable of it at home
You win 3 out of those four games, chances are you qualify for the last 16
The way some people are talking it's as if doing that is a complete impossibility...for me, I'm sorry, that's just utter bollox
Celtic could easily be sitting with 3 or 4 points at the money...well in contention for finishing 3rd or even pushing for second....for me that's competing
They've are not in that situation because they are miles behind everyone else...they are in that situation because they've been wasteful on front of goal, and are continually trying to win games in 60mins rather than conserving energy for the full 90
posted on 12/10/22
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
When did you compete in the CL group stages?
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are you saying that Dortmund were not a CL level team last year and also this year?
did we not compete with that level of team?
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There was a very straightforward and simple question there.
You chose to obfuscate. You nor we are capable of competing at CL group stage level. That’s a fact at this stage.
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Just because we have not made a very good job of trying to compete in the CL group stages this year does not mean we are not capable of doing so.
The thing you are presenting as a definite fact is not a fact at all.
Rangers competed with and indeed beat two teams that finished third in their CL groups last season. That is a fact.
It doesnt mean that if we played the same teams again in the CL itself we could get similar results.
But it does show IMO that we are CAPABLE of competing against teams that finish third in the CL groups.
And IMO our aim should be to beat teams of that standard to that third place slot.
I think both Rangers and celtic are capable of that.
Rangers have played (first 60 minutes of the Napoli game aside) with fear and a complete lack of belief in the CL this year. Its no wonder really that we have zero points and zero goals with Gio saying what he has said about the team.
We had a really tough draw but we definitely could have put up more of a fight.
posted on 12/10/22
I'm disappointed with how the groups went, after the way we played in the first 2 games I was really hopeful about the double header with Leipzig
our performances have seriously dipped since Shakthar in Europe and domestically
posted on 12/10/22
Tough read this.
I can actually see both sides of the arguments.
I'd like to console myself by thinking about the chances we have missed and thinking what might have been, etc, etc.
The truth is, we missed those chances because the players are not good enough at this level at present.
Some have elements...technical ability, composure, physicality, fitness, etc. Not one player in Scotland has all of it. The big CL teams have plenty of players with the whole package.
Maeda hadn't missed chances because he's been unlucky. He misses them because he has an unreliable first touch and a lack of composure.
The fact that he keeps starting suggests that the manager is a bit short at this level too.
posted on 12/10/22
The Kyogo and GG misses at that level are shockers
posted on 12/10/22
We should be able to at least ‘compete’ if or when we reach the group stages. To an extent, we have-but only to an extent. We’ve shown we can create chances at this level, we need to convert far more than we have been though. We’re still conceding sloppy goals at times as well, and it’s a combination that’s a killer.
Rangers had a great run in Europe last season-they’ve not shown anything like that this season.
I think it all comes down to how you want to define ‘competitive’ when you want this kind of debate.
posted on 12/10/22
also annoying that there's a good chance we'll take 4 points off the Pot 3 team and still finish bottom of the group
posted on 12/10/22
comment by Magnum (2 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 29 minutes ago
Tough read this.
I can actually see both sides of the arguments.
I'd like to console myself by thinking about the chances we have missed and thinking what might have been, etc, etc.
The truth is, we missed those chances because the players are not good enough at this level at present.
Some have elements...technical ability, composure, physicality, fitness, etc. Not one player in Scotland has all of it. The big CL teams have plenty of players with the whole package.
Maeda hadn't missed chances because he's been unlucky. He misses them because he has an unreliable first touch and a lack of composure.
The fact that he keeps starting suggests that the manager is a bit short at this level too.
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Totally agree with all of that.....but
McGregor hits the post against Real
GG 10 yards out against Shaktar...puts it wide
Joe Hart's mistake in Leipzig
Greg Taylor has an open net and hits the bar
Kyogo free header on the penalty spot...puts it over
The difference between these things resulting on goals for/against you....isn't millions of pounds and a vast gulf that simply can't be bridged....it's fine margins, it's better decision making, it's basic stuff
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