comment by Your Honour (U17603)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
Apparently Brendan did applaud the fans today.
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That’s good to hear.
The applauding of the fans is a must at all times, whether good or bad.
Any manager who doesn’t is in danger of losing the support of those who come to watch.
Just to clarify TB, I don’t think anybody on here or who I have spoken to think the sun shines out of his ‘arris and believe every word he says.
I think there are 2 camps -
Those frustrated and angry at the way the season started, vocalised their frustrations inside and outside the ground but now see an upturn in form and can credit the whole of the team for this ( on and off the pitch)
Or
Those who will not be happy until BR leaves and will never forgive him even if we carry on improving and finish Top 10 while the board shopping at B & M rather than Ocado.
Each to their own opinion, that’s what makes the world go round but I am interested that you back the owners to make the right decisions and their decision is to back BR but you disagree.
Hypothetically if BR has a successful season will you start to come back ( admittedly it could go the other way and he could be out by February ) because you miss supporting our club?
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No, I won’t be going while he’s there, it’s not about the winning or losing, I physically can’t stand the man anymore.
If we get Europe at the end of the Season I’ll concede he’s done a good job, anything less is another failure.
As for Top and the board, I’m sure they have their reasons and there could be any number of them
As to why they haven’t got rid yet, that’s for them and I won’t criticise them just because I don’t agree because none of us know those reasons.
comment by True Blue ( RODGERS can F&CK OFF ) (U9486)
posted 28 minutes ago
No, I won’t be going while he’s there, it’s not about the winning or losing, I physically can’t stand the man anymore.
If we get Europe at the end of the Season I’ll concede he’s done a good job, anything less is another failure.
As for Top and the board, I’m sure they have their reasons and there could be any number of them
As to why they haven’t got rid yet, that’s for them and I won’t criticise them just because I don’t agree because none of us know those reasons.
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So just to be clear - you hate Rodgers. You think he’s toxic and is destroying the club from the inside and is pretty much behind everything that’s wrong. You fully trust the owners however and their decision making and absolutely trust they have their reasons for keeping him.
I mean that just doesn’t make any kind of sense. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t not criticise the board if you really believe Rodgers is the cancer you make him out to be - they’re keeping him here - ultimately by that very logic, it’s their fault.
Fact is you’ve mugged yourself off into thinking this is the squad it was 2 years ago and we have a divine right to be in Europe and would be if it wasn’t for Rodgers.
I think ultimately Rodgers should leave but if you can’t see that the owners bear some responsibility for this season and their general financial handling of the club in the last 12 months then it probably is better that you stay away.
Interesting exchanges when we have just won consecutive matches.
Unusually for me, I wanted Rodgers gone, basically because I thought he'd given up and was well on the way to taking us to the Championship. I'm in a very happy place at the moment because I couldn't see us being 12th before the World Cup break but here we are so credit to Brendan for turning things round. I am also most content to have him at the helm at the end of the season because it would mean an upturn in form and us staying in the League.
Longer term I'm not so sure, he's shown a quite distasteful side of himself over that last six months or so which will take a long time for me to forgive and forget. I'm specifically talking about him blaming everybody but himself for our original malaise, our poor start to the season was in my view almost entirely down to him and his negativity. He seems to have realised that he needed to knuckle down and make the best of the resources at his disposal instead of whining about the poor situation the club have got themselves into. For me our upturn in form just confirms what I thought some weeks ago before our recovery, with the squad we have we should never have had such a strong start, we should have been comfortably in mid-table.
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 7 hours, 1 minute ago
Interesting exchanges when we have just won consecutive matches.
Unusually for me, I wanted Rodgers gone, basically because I thought he'd given up and was well on the way to taking us to the Championship. I'm in a very happy place at the moment because I couldn't see us being 12th before the World Cup break but here we are so credit to Brendan for turning things round. I am also most content to have him at the helm at the end of the season because it would mean an upturn in form and us staying in the League.
Longer term I'm not so sure, he's shown a quite distasteful side of himself over that last six months or so which will take a long time for me to forgive and forget. I'm specifically talking about him blaming everybody but himself for our original malaise, our poor start to the season was in my view almost entirely down to him and his negativity. He seems to have realised that he needed to knuckle down and make the best of the resources at his disposal instead of whining about the poor situation the club have got themselves into. For me our upturn in form just confirms what I thought some weeks ago before our recovery, with the squad we have we should never have had such a strong start, we should have been comfortably in mid-table.
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I’m very aligned to this view.
What I would say Nuneaton is that is that Rodgers has started to do the right things. Sounds like he applauded and celebrated with the fans after the game. This is a big step for me. Next would be to not be so arrogant to think that the club haven’t been anything but good to him and sound more grateful for that.
Sometimes he gives the impression we should be grateful to even have a man of his great talents at our club and we need to do everything he says, even if it makes us bankrupt. It’s that attitude I want to see change. Like a politician should serve the country and not themselves (lol), he should be serving our club. If he thinks it’s the other way around I’d like him to leave the club in the summer and we’ll progress with someone aligned to the board’s vision.
Can we forgive, I think we can. If Rodgers shows humility and he keeps getting results, then I’m willing to move on. Can we ever forget his behaviour at the start of this season? I’m not sure, and if results start to stray, there won’t be much patience. In my opinion, that’s a rod he made for his own back.
First Pearson, now Rodgers - as soon as I plant my flag firmly in the Out camp, the bugg*r turns it around
I think it's too early to say that the danger of relegation is over. We need to see how we perform after the break, but clearly we are in a position now where we should be looking upwards. But we are notoriously streaky under Rodgers and with the league so tightly packed, it wouldn't take much of a bad run for us to be back in trouble.
The upturn in our form can I think be put down to four things:
- Our key players hitting form at the same time - Maddison, Tielemans, Barnes - and Danny Ward losing his imposter syndrome
- Rodgers dropping the stroppy teenager act and getting on with the job, and being less of a b*ll*nd in the media
- The new set piece coach - I'd argue that a manager on £10m a year and with his apparent coaching skills we hear about should've been able to fix 2 year problems, but if he can't then getting someone in who can is the next best thing.
- Wout Faes
As for Rodgers, unless we tank after the break, he's given himself the rest of the season. I might not like the bloke much, but he's not going to be sacked unless we revert back to the poor form we experienced. The question then is how we approach next season. In this respect, I haven't really changed my mind. We will need a big rebuild and I don't trust Rodgers to deliver that successfully.
Assuming he makes the summer, he'll have been here 4 years - almost as long as O'Neill. 4 years is a long time for the same voice and the same ideas - things had/have gone stale and I still advocate a positive change moving forward to ensure we progress. It would be a good opportunity for Rodgers to move on with his integrity just about intact. But if he has his mojo for the club back, and seeing as Top clearly loves and respects him so much, I wouldn't be surprised if he is still around this time next year.
So without defending Rodgers behaviour I think the narrative some fans are building that those running the club are absolutely spotless in all of this is quite worrying
Let’s be clear - those running this club have racked up losses bigger than Manchester United leading us to a position where we have been unable to invest in a squad that really needed it. Those thinking that this is a temporary issue are going to find themselves in for a shock
It is absolutely understandable for any manager to feel frustrated - you can only imagine what the likes of Conte and Mourinho would be saying publicly in such circumstances. That’s not to excuse Rodgers who behaved badly and subsequently was responsible for some truly awful performances and tactical decisions.
In his defence however, we had lost Kasper, lost Fofana (2 players I think we would all argue are crucial for us) and dealt with disruption, players wanting to leave, a contractual shambles and a financial meltdown. That’s not all his fault. We have to stop pretending Top is some kind of modern day Jesus and any manager should be incredibly grateful to serve under him
Good builds Foxello and agree with your post. I
99 - I don’t think many of us “Rodgers Critics” think the ownership and board have been perfect. They’ve clearly made mistakes around contracts and management of the current squad.
The ownership have delivered the premier league fa cup, and state of the art training facility and permission to extend the stadium into a commercial enterprise. I’m not being funny, but that’s a lot of big things that are right. Is there a short term pinch on finances as a result, it appears so. Should Rodgers have reacted in the way he did to that. No. No he should not.
I don’t prescribe to the argument that the squad Rodgers started the season with wasn’t good enough to get a win and I feel Rodgers mismanaged the whole squad from top to bottom. Alienating players that could help by hanging them out in public, playing players out of position to make a point all whilst criticising everyone at every opportunity. It was poor and I took offence to it.
I’m with Foxello in that I think we need a squad refresh in the summer and we need to make sure we’ve got a manager that’s up for that in the confines of our finances, and won’t whinge if we’re not spending as much as Man Utd to fail in the transfer market repeatedly.
So yes the owners have made mistakes, but do I trust their long term ownership and vision for our club, yes I do.
I think you’re underplaying the financial situation we’ve got ourselves into and the mistakes made Mersey. This goes far beyond some mistakes with the contract and squad. You’re also making a huge mistake in your argument in my humble opinion - that’s mixing the legacy of Vichai with the decisions made since he passed away. It’s two different owners and two different eras in reality.
The facts are clear. We have spent beyond our means and comprised not just the sustainability of the club but also the resources which any manager has to work with - namely the ability to add players.
Racking up the losses we have is hugely irresponsible and was entirely preventable. Mismanaging player contracts will mean that there is no squad refresh in the summer because we’re not going to recoup money on Tielemans and Soyuncu and will have to sell Maddison just to keep heads above water. Anyone who doesn’t agree needs to look at the figures - it’s that serious
Under this ownership - there is no long term vision for getting back to Europe. It’s about - in the next 2-3 years, fixing the financial hole we’ve created for ourselves and trying to keep our premier league status. That is a concerning way to build on the brilliant legacy given to Top by Vichai who surely would never have let this situation happen
Leicester fans need to wake up fast - this isn’t the same ownership. These aren’t the same decisions and as a result this isn’t the same club
I guess none of us fully know the financial situation and you could be right. However it doesn’t appear quite as grim to me as you’re suggesting.
It is clear we don’t have the finances to spend big but when have we ever? We’ve sold top players and re-invested in cheaper options. It’s worked so far but there’s always the possibility it would fail at some point.
I just hope we do as you say and get ourselves more stable again over the next 2 seasons. Possibly under a new manager who buys back into the vision we had.
I honestly don’t know what was Vichai’s legacy and what is Top’s leadership, but both don’t seem that far apart to me. We just have Rodgers too much say and invested way too much money in poor recruits last summer. Vestergaard and Bertrand are still being paid by us 🤦🏻♂️
I think we have a good idea of the state of the financial situation - this isn’t about not having the finances to spend big - this is about not having the finances to spend, full stop.
The losses are huge and unsustainable and I’ve not seen a club in the PL under the self imposed embargo we have had to go through. It’s bad Mersey and it’s not getting better any time soon. We’re talking selling players like Maddison and not being able to replace that quality as we’ve done in the past unless the recruitment is faultless
I don’t think it’s sustainable and I think we need investment to get back to where we were
£120m losses - the biggest in the entire PL, already being monitored by UEFA and losing players for nothing in the summer and you don’t think it’s as grim as I’m suggesting?!
There isn’t going to be a squad refresh next summer - under Brendan or another manager.
What an ignorant Cvnt.
“I didn’t see any banners! They must have been put in the shed over the past couple of weeks.”
I have always been quite impressed that on the Leicester board contributors have been able to express their views in a fairly coherent manner without descending to the vile diatribes which seem to be a common feature on many of the other boards, usually of the so-called big six clubs. Long may that continue.
It is a fact that we share many differing opinions about our club. If we all thought the same, it wouldn’t be worth reading.
In respect of the recent comments on this particular thread I don’t think I can argue with any of the observations posted. As to what went wrong at the start of the season our inability to refresh and Rodgers’ throwing his dolly out of the perambulator were clearly contributory factors along with the evident mismanagement by the board, the D of F and the recruitment under Congerton. Indeed, it rather looked like Rodgers was actively trying to get himself sacked, take a big pay off and move on. When the board clearly weren’t going down that route, possibly because they couldn’t afford it, Rodgers appears to have got his head down and started to do what was always expected of him.
It has taken some time for the defence to develop into a reasonable functioning unit. I had initially thought that Ward would prove to be an adequate replacement for Schmeichel. After the first few games I was one calling for him to be dropped in favour of Iversen; the same as regards Amartey being replaced by Soyuncu. I have now had to return to my original opinion of Ward and Amartey’s improvement following the acquisition of Faes is highly encouraging. I take the view that Faes is actually an improvement on Fofana. Whilst Ward cannot match Schmeichel for shot stopping ability, he is certainly proving to be not far behind and his willingness to command his six yard box is markedly better than Kasper’s. Poor old Kasper not enjoying the best of times at Nice either.
The addition of a specialist defensive/set piece coach looks like it is having the desired effect and is probably the main reason for the marked improvement in goals being shipped, although it is conceded that we have not played many high-flying teams since the beginning of last month (apart from Man City).
Whilst the debate about Rodgers continues, as no doubt it will, it is probably worthwhile taking into account how he compares with other managers at the club. Since I began supporting LCFC, those of note were Matt Gillies, Jimmy Bloomfield, Martin O’Neill and Nigel Pearson. Claudio Ranieri claimed the biggest prize but arguably by not changing anything from the Pearson foundations. When he did try to change things about it didn’t go well.
In terms of success achieved Rodgers clearly fits into this group. There are at least 24 others in that time frame who don’t.
Rodgers’ character? Arrogant? No idea defensively? Brings his dodgy mates in? Short man syndrome? Beggared if I know. Is he pulling things round (with his defence coach)? Looks very much like it.
There are also rumours of some possible spending in January.
As regards getting extra investment in, Sir Jim Ratcliffe seems to be looking for a suitable project!
Anyway, that’s more than enough from me. Keep debating, keep it polite and onwards and upwards!
UTF
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Good post OWF. I totally disagree with anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint.
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 41 minutes ago
Good post OWF. I totally disagree with anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint.
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One or more of you fine gentlemen should be able to answer this one. I was only able to see the 30 minutes television highlights of the Saturday game. Whilst we have a real combatant in Faes, there were at least a couple of “hold your breath” moments featured where he was outjumped by Rice and when he finished up having to speak to Danny Ward after a deflection went zooming past the goal. They were both near misses. Am I mistaken or do City still need a commanding figure in central midfield?
There was me thinking it was a comfortable win before I saw the programme, and commentators speaking about all these clean sheets, but it looks to me like City still have problems at the back and were fortunate on the day. Looking at the fixture list following the World Cup we could well get a good battering from far more potent strike forces than West Ham have to offer and find ourselves back in the mire once again.
I can’t comment on the West Ham game Downsouf but that has definitely been the case in previous games.
If Everton had been anything but rubbish they still should have had two goals against us.
However, when we’re defending now I feel loads more confident. Even against Man City I felt fairly comfortable compared to previous games when we looked like we’d concede if a team crossed the halfway line.
So I don’t think we’re perfect yet, but we’re definitely better. And most importantly, by being more defensively stable we’re capable of letting teams come on to us a bit more to create space for Maddison.
Do I think we need a midfield enforcer? No more so than we need Ndidi to return to form. But for me, the improved back 4 means we can have a more balanced 2 in front of them.
I think Rodgers priority will remain a wide forward that he can deploy in behind Daka/Vardy.
If we could sell Soumare and buy the box to box tough tackling Soumare we thought we were getting, that would be ideal. But also not easy to find (a buyer or a replacement!)…
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 29 minutes ago
I can’t comment on the West Ham game Downsouf but that has definitely been the case in previous games.
If Everton had been anything but rubbish they still should have had two goals against us.
However, when we’re defending now I feel loads more confident. Even against Man City I felt fairly comfortable compared to previous games when we looked like we’d concede if a team crossed the halfway line.
So I don’t think we’re perfect yet, but we’re definitely better. And most importantly, by being more defensively stable we’re capable of letting teams come on to us a bit more to create space for Maddison.
Do I think we need a midfield enforcer? No more so than we need Ndidi to return to form. But for me, the improved back 4 means we can have a more balanced 2 in front of them.
I think Rodgers priority will remain a wide forward that he can deploy in behind Daka/Vardy.
If we could sell Soumare and buy the box to box tough tackling Soumare we thought we were getting, that would be ideal. But also not easy to find (a buyer or a replacement!)…
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Couldn’t agree more Mersey. Especially about our defensive improvement. Now, if we concede a corner I am not particularly concerned. Previously, when we conceded, I pretty much expected the opposition to score.
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posted on 12/11/22
comment by Your Honour (U17603)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
Apparently Brendan did applaud the fans today.
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That’s good to hear.
posted on 12/11/22
The applauding of the fans is a must at all times, whether good or bad.
Any manager who doesn’t is in danger of losing the support of those who come to watch.
Just to clarify TB, I don’t think anybody on here or who I have spoken to think the sun shines out of his ‘arris and believe every word he says.
I think there are 2 camps -
Those frustrated and angry at the way the season started, vocalised their frustrations inside and outside the ground but now see an upturn in form and can credit the whole of the team for this ( on and off the pitch)
Or
Those who will not be happy until BR leaves and will never forgive him even if we carry on improving and finish Top 10 while the board shopping at B & M rather than Ocado.
Each to their own opinion, that’s what makes the world go round but I am interested that you back the owners to make the right decisions and their decision is to back BR but you disagree.
Hypothetically if BR has a successful season will you start to come back ( admittedly it could go the other way and he could be out by February ) because you miss supporting our club?
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posted on 12/11/22
No, I won’t be going while he’s there, it’s not about the winning or losing, I physically can’t stand the man anymore.
If we get Europe at the end of the Season I’ll concede he’s done a good job, anything less is another failure.
As for Top and the board, I’m sure they have their reasons and there could be any number of them
As to why they haven’t got rid yet, that’s for them and I won’t criticise them just because I don’t agree because none of us know those reasons.
posted on 13/11/22
comment by True Blue ( RODGERS can F&CK OFF ) (U9486)
posted 28 minutes ago
No, I won’t be going while he’s there, it’s not about the winning or losing, I physically can’t stand the man anymore.
If we get Europe at the end of the Season I’ll concede he’s done a good job, anything less is another failure.
As for Top and the board, I’m sure they have their reasons and there could be any number of them
As to why they haven’t got rid yet, that’s for them and I won’t criticise them just because I don’t agree because none of us know those reasons.
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So just to be clear - you hate Rodgers. You think he’s toxic and is destroying the club from the inside and is pretty much behind everything that’s wrong. You fully trust the owners however and their decision making and absolutely trust they have their reasons for keeping him.
I mean that just doesn’t make any kind of sense. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t not criticise the board if you really believe Rodgers is the cancer you make him out to be - they’re keeping him here - ultimately by that very logic, it’s their fault.
Fact is you’ve mugged yourself off into thinking this is the squad it was 2 years ago and we have a divine right to be in Europe and would be if it wasn’t for Rodgers.
I think ultimately Rodgers should leave but if you can’t see that the owners bear some responsibility for this season and their general financial handling of the club in the last 12 months then it probably is better that you stay away.
posted on 13/11/22
Interesting exchanges when we have just won consecutive matches.
Unusually for me, I wanted Rodgers gone, basically because I thought he'd given up and was well on the way to taking us to the Championship. I'm in a very happy place at the moment because I couldn't see us being 12th before the World Cup break but here we are so credit to Brendan for turning things round. I am also most content to have him at the helm at the end of the season because it would mean an upturn in form and us staying in the League.
Longer term I'm not so sure, he's shown a quite distasteful side of himself over that last six months or so which will take a long time for me to forgive and forget. I'm specifically talking about him blaming everybody but himself for our original malaise, our poor start to the season was in my view almost entirely down to him and his negativity. He seems to have realised that he needed to knuckle down and make the best of the resources at his disposal instead of whining about the poor situation the club have got themselves into. For me our upturn in form just confirms what I thought some weeks ago before our recovery, with the squad we have we should never have had such a strong start, we should have been comfortably in mid-table.
posted on 13/11/22
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 7 hours, 1 minute ago
Interesting exchanges when we have just won consecutive matches.
Unusually for me, I wanted Rodgers gone, basically because I thought he'd given up and was well on the way to taking us to the Championship. I'm in a very happy place at the moment because I couldn't see us being 12th before the World Cup break but here we are so credit to Brendan for turning things round. I am also most content to have him at the helm at the end of the season because it would mean an upturn in form and us staying in the League.
Longer term I'm not so sure, he's shown a quite distasteful side of himself over that last six months or so which will take a long time for me to forgive and forget. I'm specifically talking about him blaming everybody but himself for our original malaise, our poor start to the season was in my view almost entirely down to him and his negativity. He seems to have realised that he needed to knuckle down and make the best of the resources at his disposal instead of whining about the poor situation the club have got themselves into. For me our upturn in form just confirms what I thought some weeks ago before our recovery, with the squad we have we should never have had such a strong start, we should have been comfortably in mid-table.
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I’m very aligned to this view.
posted on 13/11/22
What I would say Nuneaton is that is that Rodgers has started to do the right things. Sounds like he applauded and celebrated with the fans after the game. This is a big step for me. Next would be to not be so arrogant to think that the club haven’t been anything but good to him and sound more grateful for that.
Sometimes he gives the impression we should be grateful to even have a man of his great talents at our club and we need to do everything he says, even if it makes us bankrupt. It’s that attitude I want to see change. Like a politician should serve the country and not themselves (lol), he should be serving our club. If he thinks it’s the other way around I’d like him to leave the club in the summer and we’ll progress with someone aligned to the board’s vision.
Can we forgive, I think we can. If Rodgers shows humility and he keeps getting results, then I’m willing to move on. Can we ever forget his behaviour at the start of this season? I’m not sure, and if results start to stray, there won’t be much patience. In my opinion, that’s a rod he made for his own back.
posted on 13/11/22
First Pearson, now Rodgers - as soon as I plant my flag firmly in the Out camp, the bugg*r turns it around
I think it's too early to say that the danger of relegation is over. We need to see how we perform after the break, but clearly we are in a position now where we should be looking upwards. But we are notoriously streaky under Rodgers and with the league so tightly packed, it wouldn't take much of a bad run for us to be back in trouble.
The upturn in our form can I think be put down to four things:
- Our key players hitting form at the same time - Maddison, Tielemans, Barnes - and Danny Ward losing his imposter syndrome
- Rodgers dropping the stroppy teenager act and getting on with the job, and being less of a b*ll*nd in the media
- The new set piece coach - I'd argue that a manager on £10m a year and with his apparent coaching skills we hear about should've been able to fix 2 year problems, but if he can't then getting someone in who can is the next best thing.
- Wout Faes
As for Rodgers, unless we tank after the break, he's given himself the rest of the season. I might not like the bloke much, but he's not going to be sacked unless we revert back to the poor form we experienced. The question then is how we approach next season. In this respect, I haven't really changed my mind. We will need a big rebuild and I don't trust Rodgers to deliver that successfully.
Assuming he makes the summer, he'll have been here 4 years - almost as long as O'Neill. 4 years is a long time for the same voice and the same ideas - things had/have gone stale and I still advocate a positive change moving forward to ensure we progress. It would be a good opportunity for Rodgers to move on with his integrity just about intact. But if he has his mojo for the club back, and seeing as Top clearly loves and respects him so much, I wouldn't be surprised if he is still around this time next year.
posted on 13/11/22
So without defending Rodgers behaviour I think the narrative some fans are building that those running the club are absolutely spotless in all of this is quite worrying
Let’s be clear - those running this club have racked up losses bigger than Manchester United leading us to a position where we have been unable to invest in a squad that really needed it. Those thinking that this is a temporary issue are going to find themselves in for a shock
It is absolutely understandable for any manager to feel frustrated - you can only imagine what the likes of Conte and Mourinho would be saying publicly in such circumstances. That’s not to excuse Rodgers who behaved badly and subsequently was responsible for some truly awful performances and tactical decisions.
In his defence however, we had lost Kasper, lost Fofana (2 players I think we would all argue are crucial for us) and dealt with disruption, players wanting to leave, a contractual shambles and a financial meltdown. That’s not all his fault. We have to stop pretending Top is some kind of modern day Jesus and any manager should be incredibly grateful to serve under him
posted on 13/11/22
Good builds Foxello and agree with your post. I
99 - I don’t think many of us “Rodgers Critics” think the ownership and board have been perfect. They’ve clearly made mistakes around contracts and management of the current squad.
The ownership have delivered the premier league fa cup, and state of the art training facility and permission to extend the stadium into a commercial enterprise. I’m not being funny, but that’s a lot of big things that are right. Is there a short term pinch on finances as a result, it appears so. Should Rodgers have reacted in the way he did to that. No. No he should not.
I don’t prescribe to the argument that the squad Rodgers started the season with wasn’t good enough to get a win and I feel Rodgers mismanaged the whole squad from top to bottom. Alienating players that could help by hanging them out in public, playing players out of position to make a point all whilst criticising everyone at every opportunity. It was poor and I took offence to it.
I’m with Foxello in that I think we need a squad refresh in the summer and we need to make sure we’ve got a manager that’s up for that in the confines of our finances, and won’t whinge if we’re not spending as much as Man Utd to fail in the transfer market repeatedly.
So yes the owners have made mistakes, but do I trust their long term ownership and vision for our club, yes I do.
posted on 13/11/22
I think you’re underplaying the financial situation we’ve got ourselves into and the mistakes made Mersey. This goes far beyond some mistakes with the contract and squad. You’re also making a huge mistake in your argument in my humble opinion - that’s mixing the legacy of Vichai with the decisions made since he passed away. It’s two different owners and two different eras in reality.
The facts are clear. We have spent beyond our means and comprised not just the sustainability of the club but also the resources which any manager has to work with - namely the ability to add players.
Racking up the losses we have is hugely irresponsible and was entirely preventable. Mismanaging player contracts will mean that there is no squad refresh in the summer because we’re not going to recoup money on Tielemans and Soyuncu and will have to sell Maddison just to keep heads above water. Anyone who doesn’t agree needs to look at the figures - it’s that serious
Under this ownership - there is no long term vision for getting back to Europe. It’s about - in the next 2-3 years, fixing the financial hole we’ve created for ourselves and trying to keep our premier league status. That is a concerning way to build on the brilliant legacy given to Top by Vichai who surely would never have let this situation happen
Leicester fans need to wake up fast - this isn’t the same ownership. These aren’t the same decisions and as a result this isn’t the same club
posted on 13/11/22
I guess none of us fully know the financial situation and you could be right. However it doesn’t appear quite as grim to me as you’re suggesting.
It is clear we don’t have the finances to spend big but when have we ever? We’ve sold top players and re-invested in cheaper options. It’s worked so far but there’s always the possibility it would fail at some point.
I just hope we do as you say and get ourselves more stable again over the next 2 seasons. Possibly under a new manager who buys back into the vision we had.
I honestly don’t know what was Vichai’s legacy and what is Top’s leadership, but both don’t seem that far apart to me. We just have Rodgers too much say and invested way too much money in poor recruits last summer. Vestergaard and Bertrand are still being paid by us 🤦🏻♂️
posted on 13/11/22
I think we have a good idea of the state of the financial situation - this isn’t about not having the finances to spend big - this is about not having the finances to spend, full stop.
The losses are huge and unsustainable and I’ve not seen a club in the PL under the self imposed embargo we have had to go through. It’s bad Mersey and it’s not getting better any time soon. We’re talking selling players like Maddison and not being able to replace that quality as we’ve done in the past unless the recruitment is faultless
I don’t think it’s sustainable and I think we need investment to get back to where we were
posted on 13/11/22
£120m losses - the biggest in the entire PL, already being monitored by UEFA and losing players for nothing in the summer and you don’t think it’s as grim as I’m suggesting?!
There isn’t going to be a squad refresh next summer - under Brendan or another manager.
posted on 13/11/22
What an ignorant Cvnt.
“I didn’t see any banners! They must have been put in the shed over the past couple of weeks.”
posted on 13/11/22
I have always been quite impressed that on the Leicester board contributors have been able to express their views in a fairly coherent manner without descending to the vile diatribes which seem to be a common feature on many of the other boards, usually of the so-called big six clubs. Long may that continue.
It is a fact that we share many differing opinions about our club. If we all thought the same, it wouldn’t be worth reading.
In respect of the recent comments on this particular thread I don’t think I can argue with any of the observations posted. As to what went wrong at the start of the season our inability to refresh and Rodgers’ throwing his dolly out of the perambulator were clearly contributory factors along with the evident mismanagement by the board, the D of F and the recruitment under Congerton. Indeed, it rather looked like Rodgers was actively trying to get himself sacked, take a big pay off and move on. When the board clearly weren’t going down that route, possibly because they couldn’t afford it, Rodgers appears to have got his head down and started to do what was always expected of him.
It has taken some time for the defence to develop into a reasonable functioning unit. I had initially thought that Ward would prove to be an adequate replacement for Schmeichel. After the first few games I was one calling for him to be dropped in favour of Iversen; the same as regards Amartey being replaced by Soyuncu. I have now had to return to my original opinion of Ward and Amartey’s improvement following the acquisition of Faes is highly encouraging. I take the view that Faes is actually an improvement on Fofana. Whilst Ward cannot match Schmeichel for shot stopping ability, he is certainly proving to be not far behind and his willingness to command his six yard box is markedly better than Kasper’s. Poor old Kasper not enjoying the best of times at Nice either.
The addition of a specialist defensive/set piece coach looks like it is having the desired effect and is probably the main reason for the marked improvement in goals being shipped, although it is conceded that we have not played many high-flying teams since the beginning of last month (apart from Man City).
Whilst the debate about Rodgers continues, as no doubt it will, it is probably worthwhile taking into account how he compares with other managers at the club. Since I began supporting LCFC, those of note were Matt Gillies, Jimmy Bloomfield, Martin O’Neill and Nigel Pearson. Claudio Ranieri claimed the biggest prize but arguably by not changing anything from the Pearson foundations. When he did try to change things about it didn’t go well.
In terms of success achieved Rodgers clearly fits into this group. There are at least 24 others in that time frame who don’t.
Rodgers’ character? Arrogant? No idea defensively? Brings his dodgy mates in? Short man syndrome? Beggared if I know. Is he pulling things round (with his defence coach)? Looks very much like it.
There are also rumours of some possible spending in January.
As regards getting extra investment in, Sir Jim Ratcliffe seems to be looking for a suitable project!
Anyway, that’s more than enough from me. Keep debating, keep it polite and onwards and upwards!
UTF
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posted on 14/11/22
Good post OWF. I totally disagree with anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint.
posted on 14/11/22
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 41 minutes ago
Good post OWF. I totally disagree with anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint.
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posted on 14/11/22
One or more of you fine gentlemen should be able to answer this one. I was only able to see the 30 minutes television highlights of the Saturday game. Whilst we have a real combatant in Faes, there were at least a couple of “hold your breath” moments featured where he was outjumped by Rice and when he finished up having to speak to Danny Ward after a deflection went zooming past the goal. They were both near misses. Am I mistaken or do City still need a commanding figure in central midfield?
There was me thinking it was a comfortable win before I saw the programme, and commentators speaking about all these clean sheets, but it looks to me like City still have problems at the back and were fortunate on the day. Looking at the fixture list following the World Cup we could well get a good battering from far more potent strike forces than West Ham have to offer and find ourselves back in the mire once again.
posted on 14/11/22
I can’t comment on the West Ham game Downsouf but that has definitely been the case in previous games.
If Everton had been anything but rubbish they still should have had two goals against us.
However, when we’re defending now I feel loads more confident. Even against Man City I felt fairly comfortable compared to previous games when we looked like we’d concede if a team crossed the halfway line.
So I don’t think we’re perfect yet, but we’re definitely better. And most importantly, by being more defensively stable we’re capable of letting teams come on to us a bit more to create space for Maddison.
Do I think we need a midfield enforcer? No more so than we need Ndidi to return to form. But for me, the improved back 4 means we can have a more balanced 2 in front of them.
I think Rodgers priority will remain a wide forward that he can deploy in behind Daka/Vardy.
If we could sell Soumare and buy the box to box tough tackling Soumare we thought we were getting, that would be ideal. But also not easy to find (a buyer or a replacement!)…
posted on 14/11/22
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 29 minutes ago
I can’t comment on the West Ham game Downsouf but that has definitely been the case in previous games.
If Everton had been anything but rubbish they still should have had two goals against us.
However, when we’re defending now I feel loads more confident. Even against Man City I felt fairly comfortable compared to previous games when we looked like we’d concede if a team crossed the halfway line.
So I don’t think we’re perfect yet, but we’re definitely better. And most importantly, by being more defensively stable we’re capable of letting teams come on to us a bit more to create space for Maddison.
Do I think we need a midfield enforcer? No more so than we need Ndidi to return to form. But for me, the improved back 4 means we can have a more balanced 2 in front of them.
I think Rodgers priority will remain a wide forward that he can deploy in behind Daka/Vardy.
If we could sell Soumare and buy the box to box tough tackling Soumare we thought we were getting, that would be ideal. But also not easy to find (a buyer or a replacement!)…
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Couldn’t agree more Mersey. Especially about our defensive improvement. Now, if we concede a corner I am not particularly concerned. Previously, when we conceded, I pretty much expected the opposition to score.
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