I think England will be brought back to reality by the Aussies.
Their quicks are better that our ones and will pick up wickets due to rash shots and we will struggle again to get Smith and Labuschagne out.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
Crazy to think that England are winning Test series again and Joe Root isn’t top scoring.
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It's an odd one...it's almost like having the responsibility removed from him has dimmed his playing power...
But he's too good not to correct it
Root should just focus on being Root and not this free spirit. He can still score a ton with a 70 S/R which will be just as important as someone doing it run a ball.
comment by (K̇ash) - FSG OUT (Get a move on!) - Free Pal... (U1108)
posted 7 seconds ago
Root should just focus on being Root and not this free spirit. He can still score a ton with a 70 S/R which will be just as important as someone doing it run a ball.
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damned right....absolute backbone batter
He’s not used to coming into bat with triple figures on the scorecard. I’m sure he’ll get back into his groove again soon. We’ll need him to for the Ashes.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 minutes ago
I think England will be brought back to reality by the Aussies.
Their quicks are better that our ones and will pick up wickets due to rash shots and we will struggle again to get Smith and Labuschagne out.
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I'd have said NZ, South Africa and India all have better quicks than us and all got beat in the summer.
England used to get out to rash shots all the time before McCullum and Stokes took over. They just have more confidence now that if they get out to a rash shot, they won't get hammered for it.
The important thing is we are winning test matches and a winning team has more chance of beating the Aussies than a team who won 1 game in 17. There are still elements of this approach that I'm critical of but I think the Aussies will be far more fearful of us now than they would have been post West Indies series. Sure we could lose in NZ but I really don't think it will be that much of a setback as its only 2 tests.
comment by (K̇ash) - FSG OUT (Get a move on!) - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 28 minutes ago
Root should just focus on being Root and not this free spirit. He can still score a ton with a 70 S/R which will be just as important as someone doing it run a ball.
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He's just going through a bit of a poor run of form carrying on from the SA series. I don't think it has anything to do with the brand we are playing now. He scored an unbeaten 115, 86, 142 as well as a 176 in the summer against NZ and India.
It's a shame his average has dipped below 50 considering the run he was on but this was always likely to happen. I'm sure he will be back on song next summer.
It'll be tough against Smith and Labs' but you know Stokes will try everything possible to get them out if the traditional methods don't work, unlike Root who went defensive too often and let the games get away from us in 2019.
For all the talk of our batting, I’ve been impressed by our bowling under Stokes and Baz.
Duckett is a real bonus, and he really reminds me of Graham Thorpe in style and technique…
Yeah bowling has been excellent, and you can see Stokes backs his spinners a lot more.
Very tough choice on the 3 quicks to pick next summer if everyone is fit which is a nice problem to have.
Does anyone know where Archer will be fit fit the ashes? Seems like he’s permanently injured. His pace really discomfited Smith in 2019 but he was hardline available other than that.
Ffs…
*whether
*fit for
*hardly available
Don't want Archer in the side even if he's fit, specially not if it means rushing him back after a long spell out, and at the expense of a better bowler. He's never shown any sign that he'll make a consistent test cricketer. Didn't his speeds drop by about 10mph throughout spells of more than 5 or 6 overs at a time? And his injury record is even worse than Mark Wood's (another player who flatters to deceive in tests). I don't see why people blow so much smoke up the guy's backside. I don't rate him in red ball cricket.
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted about 8 hours ago
Don't want Archer in the side even if he's fit, specially not if it means rushing him back after a long spell out, and at the expense of a better bowler. He's never shown any sign that he'll make a consistent test cricketer. Didn't his speeds drop by about 10mph throughout spells of more than 5 or 6 overs at a time? And his injury record is even worse than Mark Wood's (another player who flatters to deceive in tests). I don't see why people blow so much smoke up the guy's backside. I don't rate him in red ball cricket.
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He certainly has no record of evidence as yet but I would fancy him to do well under Stokes. Anyone who can floor Steve Smith has to be on the radar. He needs to show s9m3 form first though
comment by Emile Death Rowe (TCM) (U8959)
posted about 14 hours ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 minutes ago
I think England will be brought back to reality by the Aussies.
Their quicks are better that our ones and will pick up wickets due to rash shots and we will struggle again to get Smith and Labuschagne out.
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I'd have said NZ, South Africa and India all have better quicks than us and all got beat in the summer.
England used to get out to rash shots all the time before McCullum and Stokes took over. They just have more confidence now that if they get out to a rash shot, they won't get hammered for it.
The important thing is we are winning test matches and a winning team has more chance of beating the Aussies than a team who won 1 game in 17. There are still elements of this approach that I'm critical of but I think the Aussies will be far more fearful of us now than they would have been post West Indies series. Sure we could lose in NZ but I really don't think it will be that much of a setback as its only 2 tests.
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This. After last summer one of the biggest conundrums for Australia will be working out what England chase down. It will be interesting to see how they manage their declarations
Whole sale changes required in Pakistan to become competitive
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
comment by KSE Out (U21076)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Emile Death Rowe (TCM) (U8959)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
Well that should be 3-0 wrapped up unless something dramatic happens tomorrow. Incredible turnaround and for all the "this is a poor Pakistan side" comments, I've no doubt that Root's England would have lost this series 2-0 with a drawn first test.
Everyone has bought into the mentality and the fearlessness of just going out and playing to win games of cricket without the pressure of what will happen if we lose. The positive approach has been great and something that many have called for and one that I personally thought wouldn't work.
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Agree. Tbh even with the positive approach I'd have expected a few more collapses than we've actually had. I definitely didn't expect to beat New Zealand and India, and would have expected to lose or draw this series too
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Agreed. It's hard to tell if they're just riding the crest of a wave at the minute - it seems improbable that England have actually stumbled upon the secret to winning test matches, and that "just play like it's an ODI" was actually the solution all along despite over a century of convention suggesting otherwise.
Interested to see what will happen when we do come unstuck and have a bad collapse - probably in the first Ashes test, let's face it - because it just seems inconceivable that this current approach will keep paying off indefinitely. But... Well. Maybe it will!
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Yeah, the wheels will come off like they did in the first test agst SA last summer. Usually happens at Lords. If England lose backto back tests is the Ashes there will be pressure on Bazball. However, I think England should stick to their principles under pressure.
Australia probably have the best bowling attack in World cricket atm, so we could lose back to back tests to them playing any style.
It will be 8
Important to remember England's test record prior to Stokes if that happens
Can you imagine how motivated the Aussies will be to destroy Bazball
Very fiery Ashes series ahead
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 day ago
comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 40 minutes ago
Sandy, you seem to have an issue with England? get fooooked
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Not really. Just saying it as it is. This is not a great England Test side. They are just beating teams that prefer one day stuff to Proper Test cricket. When they come up against a team that still take Test cricket seriously, like Australia, they will come unstuck. You can bookmark that. I will be happy to apologise if I am proved wrong, but I don't think I will. I expect Australia to comfortably beat England.
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We can lose to Australia because they are an excellent team. It is that simple. But if we do lose the default reaction should not be that we lost because of Bazball.
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 8 hours, 23 minutes ago
Don't want Archer in the side even if he's fit, specially not if it means rushing him back after a long spell out, and at the expense of a better bowler. He's never shown any sign that he'll make a consistent test cricketer. Didn't his speeds drop by about 10mph throughout spells of more than 5 or 6 overs at a time? And his injury record is even worse than Mark Wood's (another player who flatters to deceive in tests). I don't see why people blow so much smoke up the guy's backside. I don't rate him in red ball cricket.
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He's like the Owen Hargreaves of cricket
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 9 hours, 36 minutes ago
Don't want Archer in the side even if he's fit, specially not if it means rushing him back after a long spell out, and at the expense of a better bowler. He's never shown any sign that he'll make a consistent test cricketer. Didn't his speeds drop by about 10mph throughout spells of more than 5 or 6 overs at a time? And his injury record is even worse than Mark Wood's (another player who flatters to deceive in tests). I don't see why people blow so much smoke up the guy's backside. I don't rate him in red ball cricket.
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He made a pretty good start to his test career but then potentially got overused by Root. One thing I would say though is that Stokes will put his bowlers through the ringer. They've all at some point bowled some huge spells and Stokes himself has said he wanted to test their fitness and see how far they can go before they crack so I don't expect he would be protected.
I think both him and Wood should be used mostly for overseas tests in rotation with each other. Wood especially is really good away from home, 55 wickets at an average of 24.6 compared to 35 wickets at 40.7 at home. Wood is almost 33 now though so I can't see him playing test cricket in 3 years time therefore Archer will need to be the guy to do that role that Wood has been doing for the last 3 years.
Archer has been in the nets and played some warm up games so he'll be fine by the summer, and I think some of his injuries have been bad luck more than anything.
Agree he'll be a better white ball bowler but if he can stay fit then I do think there's still a spot for him in the Test side. He doesn't need to crank up to 90+ to be a success in England but having that in his locker is always going to be dangerous.
Just a thought on our spinners. Would and could have Parkinson had a much of an impact as Ahmed?
Seems as we all know already that he is well down the pecking order now with Jacks and Livingstone ahead of him too alongside Leach and now Ahmed. With Root a decent option too, the only way Parkinson can get into contention is by being as prolific as Harmer. However with McCullum saying he wants Ahmed to go and do Franchise cricket around the world rather than play FC cricket for Leicestershire, would that even be enough?
Crazy to think that Parkinson was back up to Leach in the summer but now he's 5th or 6th choice at best.
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posted on 20/12/22
I think England will be brought back to reality by the Aussies.
Their quicks are better that our ones and will pick up wickets due to rash shots and we will struggle again to get Smith and Labuschagne out.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
Crazy to think that England are winning Test series again and Joe Root isn’t top scoring.
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It's an odd one...it's almost like having the responsibility removed from him has dimmed his playing power...
But he's too good not to correct it
posted on 20/12/22
Root should just focus on being Root and not this free spirit. He can still score a ton with a 70 S/R which will be just as important as someone doing it run a ball.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by (K̇ash) - FSG OUT (Get a move on!) - Free Pal... (U1108)
posted 7 seconds ago
Root should just focus on being Root and not this free spirit. He can still score a ton with a 70 S/R which will be just as important as someone doing it run a ball.
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damned right....absolute backbone batter
posted on 20/12/22
He’s not used to coming into bat with triple figures on the scorecard. I’m sure he’ll get back into his groove again soon. We’ll need him to for the Ashes.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 minutes ago
I think England will be brought back to reality by the Aussies.
Their quicks are better that our ones and will pick up wickets due to rash shots and we will struggle again to get Smith and Labuschagne out.
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I'd have said NZ, South Africa and India all have better quicks than us and all got beat in the summer.
England used to get out to rash shots all the time before McCullum and Stokes took over. They just have more confidence now that if they get out to a rash shot, they won't get hammered for it.
The important thing is we are winning test matches and a winning team has more chance of beating the Aussies than a team who won 1 game in 17. There are still elements of this approach that I'm critical of but I think the Aussies will be far more fearful of us now than they would have been post West Indies series. Sure we could lose in NZ but I really don't think it will be that much of a setback as its only 2 tests.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by (K̇ash) - FSG OUT (Get a move on!) - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 28 minutes ago
Root should just focus on being Root and not this free spirit. He can still score a ton with a 70 S/R which will be just as important as someone doing it run a ball.
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He's just going through a bit of a poor run of form carrying on from the SA series. I don't think it has anything to do with the brand we are playing now. He scored an unbeaten 115, 86, 142 as well as a 176 in the summer against NZ and India.
It's a shame his average has dipped below 50 considering the run he was on but this was always likely to happen. I'm sure he will be back on song next summer.
posted on 20/12/22
It'll be tough against Smith and Labs' but you know Stokes will try everything possible to get them out if the traditional methods don't work, unlike Root who went defensive too often and let the games get away from us in 2019.
posted on 20/12/22
For all the talk of our batting, I’ve been impressed by our bowling under Stokes and Baz.
posted on 20/12/22
Duckett is a real bonus, and he really reminds me of Graham Thorpe in style and technique…
posted on 20/12/22
Yeah bowling has been excellent, and you can see Stokes backs his spinners a lot more.
Very tough choice on the 3 quicks to pick next summer if everyone is fit which is a nice problem to have.
posted on 20/12/22
Does anyone know where Archer will be fit fit the ashes? Seems like he’s permanently injured. His pace really discomfited Smith in 2019 but he was hardline available other than that.
posted on 20/12/22
Ffs…
*whether
*fit for
*hardly available
posted on 20/12/22
Don't want Archer in the side even if he's fit, specially not if it means rushing him back after a long spell out, and at the expense of a better bowler. He's never shown any sign that he'll make a consistent test cricketer. Didn't his speeds drop by about 10mph throughout spells of more than 5 or 6 overs at a time? And his injury record is even worse than Mark Wood's (another player who flatters to deceive in tests). I don't see why people blow so much smoke up the guy's backside. I don't rate him in red ball cricket.
posted on 21/12/22
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted about 8 hours ago
Don't want Archer in the side even if he's fit, specially not if it means rushing him back after a long spell out, and at the expense of a better bowler. He's never shown any sign that he'll make a consistent test cricketer. Didn't his speeds drop by about 10mph throughout spells of more than 5 or 6 overs at a time? And his injury record is even worse than Mark Wood's (another player who flatters to deceive in tests). I don't see why people blow so much smoke up the guy's backside. I don't rate him in red ball cricket.
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He certainly has no record of evidence as yet but I would fancy him to do well under Stokes. Anyone who can floor Steve Smith has to be on the radar. He needs to show s9m3 form first though
posted on 21/12/22
comment by Emile Death Rowe (TCM) (U8959)
posted about 14 hours ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 minutes ago
I think England will be brought back to reality by the Aussies.
Their quicks are better that our ones and will pick up wickets due to rash shots and we will struggle again to get Smith and Labuschagne out.
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I'd have said NZ, South Africa and India all have better quicks than us and all got beat in the summer.
England used to get out to rash shots all the time before McCullum and Stokes took over. They just have more confidence now that if they get out to a rash shot, they won't get hammered for it.
The important thing is we are winning test matches and a winning team has more chance of beating the Aussies than a team who won 1 game in 17. There are still elements of this approach that I'm critical of but I think the Aussies will be far more fearful of us now than they would have been post West Indies series. Sure we could lose in NZ but I really don't think it will be that much of a setback as its only 2 tests.
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This. After last summer one of the biggest conundrums for Australia will be working out what England chase down. It will be interesting to see how they manage their declarations
posted on 21/12/22
Whole sale changes required in Pakistan to become competitive
posted on 21/12/22
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
comment by KSE Out (U21076)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Emile Death Rowe (TCM) (U8959)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
Well that should be 3-0 wrapped up unless something dramatic happens tomorrow. Incredible turnaround and for all the "this is a poor Pakistan side" comments, I've no doubt that Root's England would have lost this series 2-0 with a drawn first test.
Everyone has bought into the mentality and the fearlessness of just going out and playing to win games of cricket without the pressure of what will happen if we lose. The positive approach has been great and something that many have called for and one that I personally thought wouldn't work.
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Agree. Tbh even with the positive approach I'd have expected a few more collapses than we've actually had. I definitely didn't expect to beat New Zealand and India, and would have expected to lose or draw this series too
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Agreed. It's hard to tell if they're just riding the crest of a wave at the minute - it seems improbable that England have actually stumbled upon the secret to winning test matches, and that "just play like it's an ODI" was actually the solution all along despite over a century of convention suggesting otherwise.
Interested to see what will happen when we do come unstuck and have a bad collapse - probably in the first Ashes test, let's face it - because it just seems inconceivable that this current approach will keep paying off indefinitely. But... Well. Maybe it will!
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Yeah, the wheels will come off like they did in the first test agst SA last summer. Usually happens at Lords. If England lose backto back tests is the Ashes there will be pressure on Bazball. However, I think England should stick to their principles under pressure.
Australia probably have the best bowling attack in World cricket atm, so we could lose back to back tests to them playing any style.
It will be 8
Important to remember England's test record prior to Stokes if that happens
posted on 21/12/22
Can you imagine how motivated the Aussies will be to destroy Bazball
Very fiery Ashes series ahead
posted on 21/12/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 day ago
comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 40 minutes ago
Sandy, you seem to have an issue with England? get fooooked
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Not really. Just saying it as it is. This is not a great England Test side. They are just beating teams that prefer one day stuff to Proper Test cricket. When they come up against a team that still take Test cricket seriously, like Australia, they will come unstuck. You can bookmark that. I will be happy to apologise if I am proved wrong, but I don't think I will. I expect Australia to comfortably beat England.
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We can lose to Australia because they are an excellent team. It is that simple. But if we do lose the default reaction should not be that we lost because of Bazball.
posted on 21/12/22
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 8 hours, 23 minutes ago
Don't want Archer in the side even if he's fit, specially not if it means rushing him back after a long spell out, and at the expense of a better bowler. He's never shown any sign that he'll make a consistent test cricketer. Didn't his speeds drop by about 10mph throughout spells of more than 5 or 6 overs at a time? And his injury record is even worse than Mark Wood's (another player who flatters to deceive in tests). I don't see why people blow so much smoke up the guy's backside. I don't rate him in red ball cricket.
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He's like the Owen Hargreaves of cricket
posted on 21/12/22
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 9 hours, 36 minutes ago
Don't want Archer in the side even if he's fit, specially not if it means rushing him back after a long spell out, and at the expense of a better bowler. He's never shown any sign that he'll make a consistent test cricketer. Didn't his speeds drop by about 10mph throughout spells of more than 5 or 6 overs at a time? And his injury record is even worse than Mark Wood's (another player who flatters to deceive in tests). I don't see why people blow so much smoke up the guy's backside. I don't rate him in red ball cricket.
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He made a pretty good start to his test career but then potentially got overused by Root. One thing I would say though is that Stokes will put his bowlers through the ringer. They've all at some point bowled some huge spells and Stokes himself has said he wanted to test their fitness and see how far they can go before they crack so I don't expect he would be protected.
I think both him and Wood should be used mostly for overseas tests in rotation with each other. Wood especially is really good away from home, 55 wickets at an average of 24.6 compared to 35 wickets at 40.7 at home. Wood is almost 33 now though so I can't see him playing test cricket in 3 years time therefore Archer will need to be the guy to do that role that Wood has been doing for the last 3 years.
posted on 21/12/22
Archer has been in the nets and played some warm up games so he'll be fine by the summer, and I think some of his injuries have been bad luck more than anything.
Agree he'll be a better white ball bowler but if he can stay fit then I do think there's still a spot for him in the Test side. He doesn't need to crank up to 90+ to be a success in England but having that in his locker is always going to be dangerous.
posted on 21/12/22
Just a thought on our spinners. Would and could have Parkinson had a much of an impact as Ahmed?
Seems as we all know already that he is well down the pecking order now with Jacks and Livingstone ahead of him too alongside Leach and now Ahmed. With Root a decent option too, the only way Parkinson can get into contention is by being as prolific as Harmer. However with McCullum saying he wants Ahmed to go and do Franchise cricket around the world rather than play FC cricket for Leicestershire, would that even be enough?
Crazy to think that Parkinson was back up to Leach in the summer but now he's 5th or 6th choice at best.
posted on 21/12/22
1k (go on then)
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