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posted on 21/8/23

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 49 minutes ago
The final -which was the only match I watched- was actually a pretty good game.

It seems like some people (men) want to hate the women's game just because.

For those who are prepared to give it a chance, I'd just suggest trying to avoid drawing the parallels withe the men's game. Women track and field athletes run slower, jump less, and throw less than the men, but plenty people watch the sport without feeling the urge to mention the bleedin' obvious every two minutes.
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You're so right.

I've been watching the World Champs Athletics over the last few days and I've thought nothing of cheering on KJT, Laura Muir, Jaz Sawyers etc. In fact most of the big names I've noticed have been women yet no judgement is made. Maybe it's because it's always been that way? Same for tennis. Eventually people will get used to it and the archaic boos (mostly from old blokes) will become quieter and quieter as the years go by.

You're definitely spot on about not making parallels. I get annoyed when people try to use the women's success to patch over the men's failures, using the overplayed mantra about 'years of hurt'. The women's success will never cure the ills of the men's game and neither should it. They're two separate sports in my eyes. Whether that's wrong or not, I don't know but I think when achievements are woven together it annoys a lot of people. Ultimately you're right though. It's about not seeing them as comparable is the key.

posted on 21/8/23

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)

You're definitely spot on about not making parallels. I get annoyed when people try to use the women's success to patch over the men's failures, using the overplayed mantra about 'years of hurt'. The women's success will never cure the ills of the men's game and neither should it. They're two separate sports in my eyes. Whether that's wrong or not, I don't know but I think when achievements are woven together it annoys a lot of people. Ultimately you're right though. It's about not seeing them as comparable is the key.
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You're right it's nauseating

But you've also got to realise 40+ million people who give no two hoots have to put up with continual coverage of 'years of hurt' from the media every couple of years. So it's just bascially the media doing what it does with English football and blowing it all out of proportion.

posted on 21/8/23

comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)

You're definitely spot on about not making parallels. I get annoyed when people try to use the women's success to patch over the men's failures, using the overplayed mantra about 'years of hurt'. The women's success will never cure the ills of the men's game and neither should it. They're two separate sports in my eyes. Whether that's wrong or not, I don't know but I think when achievements are woven together it annoys a lot of people. Ultimately you're right though. It's about not seeing them as comparable is the key.
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You're right it's nauseating

But you've also got to realise 40+ million people who give no two hoots have to put up with continual coverage of 'years of hurt' from the media every couple of years. So it's just bascially the media doing what it does with English football and blowing it all out of proportion.

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I don't think that's a credible comparison. Yours is justifying it by comparing it to people that don't like football being bombarded with it 24/7 during a tournament. Mine is simply that the achievements, or lack thereof, shouldn't be merged. They're two different things entirely and I don't think it's the product of media hype, although I accept when I hear it in the pub, it's largely because someone in the media has said it at some point.

posted on 21/8/23

Lesson101

Plenty of misogyny on this site as to be expected on a football forum full of middle aged men.

The woman’s World Cup was a great success and will only grow in popularity as more and more people start tuning in.

posted on 21/8/23

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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I don't think that's a credible comparison. Yours is justifying it by comparing it to people that don't like football being bombarded with it 24/7 during a tournament. Mine is simply that the achievements, or lack thereof, shouldn't be merged. They're two different things entirely and I don't think it's the product of media hype, although I accept when I hear it in the pub, it's largely because someone in the media has said it at some point.
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Winning a world cup in an era when you drank a pint at half time and winning one now are two different achievements also, yet those get merged.

posted on 21/8/23

comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 6 minutes ago
Lesson101

Plenty of misogyny on this site as to be expected on a football forum full of middle aged men.

The woman’s World Cup was a great success and will only grow in popularity as more and more people start tuning in.


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posted on 21/8/23

The rapid rise in popularity of the women’s game should be a case study in media manipulation.

posted on 21/8/23

comment by Johnny Football (U9335)
posted 34 minutes ago
The rapid rise in popularity of the women’s game should be a case study in media manipulation.
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this is true

the population as a whole is easily manipulated into what to think/like

this has been proven many times

posted on 21/8/23

comment by Johnny Football (U9335)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
The rapid rise in popularity of the women’s game should be a case study in media manipulation.
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Even the most ardent and passionate supporters of women’s football would find it hard to disagree with this statement. The media have driven this. Be under no illusions there. For what it’s worth I think it’s a good think as is the decision to be more ethnically diverse. Feck those that don’t like it. They’ll just get left behind. It’s progress, it’s just hard to see it that way at first.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 12 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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I don't think that's a credible comparison. Yours is justifying it by comparing it to people that don't like football being bombarded with it 24/7 during a tournament. Mine is simply that the achievements, or lack thereof, shouldn't be merged. They're two different things entirely and I don't think it's the product of media hype, although I accept when I hear it in the pub, it's largely because someone in the media has said it at some point.
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Winning a world cup in an era when you drank a pint at half time and winning one now are two different achievements also, yet those get merged.


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Have you any evidence that England players drank a pint at half time in 1966. Or have you just posted it because it sounded good in your head?

posted on 22/8/23

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)

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Winning a world cup in an era when you drank a pint at half time and winning one now are two different achievements also, yet those get merged.


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Have you any evidence that England players drank a pint at half time in 1966. Or have you just posted it because it sounded good in your head?
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Doesn't really matter. Lets face it they couldn't beat a league one team these days.

posted on 22/8/23

The point is like the 66 men the Women are performing to the best of their abilities. The dedication, discipline, and other attributes required to win are the same. They are also not as good as the mens team but this does not diminish the achievement.

The 12 million or so who watched the final for many will see it as just as valid so who is anyone to say it's not. Less people watched the 66 world cup.

posted on 22/8/23

And also less people are alive who were around in 66 than watched the womens wc final.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)

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Winning a world cup in an era when you drank a pint at half time and winning one now are two different achievements also, yet those get merged.


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Have you any evidence that England players drank a pint at half time in 1966. Or have you just posted it because it sounded good in your head?
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Doesn't really matter. Lets face it they couldn't beat a league one team these days.
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Be serious, I think they would be hard pressed to beat a League One team these days, because they played nearly 60 years ago.

Honestly you don`t arf post a load of rubbish.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
The point is like the 66 men the Women are performing to the best of their abilities. The dedication, discipline, and other attributes required to win are the same. They are also not as good as the mens team but this does not diminish the achievement.

The 12 million or so who watched the final for many will see it as just as valid so who is anyone to say it's not. Less people watched the 66 world cup.
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Are you just plain stupid or dopey, or both. 32.3 million watched the 1966 World Cup Final, the biggest British TV audience ever. And over 400 million worldwide watched it.

I think you should rename yourself Dumb101.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
And also less people are alive who were around in 66 than watched the womens wc final.
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LOL, yeh surprising really that less people that were around in 66 are no longer with us. Not many who watched the 1901 cup final are still around.

Honestly you must be the dopiest poster on the board.

posted on 22/8/23

So you've admitted the 66 WC team would be hard pressed to beat a league one team. Thanks, that supports my point that there's no reason not to merge the mens and womens WC achievements on the basis of the level of football being played.

You've also stated that 400 million globally watched the 66 WC and over 30 million were English. Compare this to a global audience of 2 billion for the Womens WC with an English audience of 12 million and you can quickly see why the WC would be a greater achievement for the women than the 66 mens team.

As for people not so many being around who watched the 66 world cup, this just simply means it's time to move on and stop being stuck in the past. Half the World are Women and men don't own the sport.

At least you've got your facts straight even if your thinking still belongs to an era where we used outside toilets. DJ seems to think 1.4 billion watched the T20 womens cricket as opposed to 100 million which tells you everything you need to know.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by lessons101 (U23062)
posted 33 minutes ago
So you've admitted the 66 WC team would be hard pressed to beat a league one team. Thanks, that supports my point that there's no reason not to merge the mens and womens WC achievements on the basis of the level of football being played.

You've also stated that 400 million globally watched the 66 WC and over 30 million were English. Compare this to a global audience of 2 billion for the Womens WC with an English audience of 12 million and you can quickly see why the WC would be a greater achievement for the women than the 66 mens team.

As for people not so many being around who watched the 66 world cup, this just simply means it's time to move on and stop being stuck in the past. Half the World are Women and men don't own the sport.

At least you've got your facts straight even if your thinking still belongs to an era where we used outside toilets. DJ seems to think 1.4 billion watched the T20 womens cricket as opposed to 100 million which tells you everything you need to know.
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Well of course the 1966 team would be hard pressed to beat a League 1 side, most of them are dead.

posted on 22/8/23

I'll just leave it at that.

comment by EDDIEVH (U8193)

posted on 22/8/23

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 49 minutes ago
The final -which was the only match I watched- was actually a pretty good game.

It seems like some people (men) want to hate the women's game just because.

For those who are prepared to give it a chance, I'd just suggest trying to avoid drawing the parallels withe the men's game. Women track and field athletes run slower, jump less, and throw less than the men, but plenty people watch the sport without feeling the urge to mention the bleedin' obvious every two minutes.
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You're so right.

I've been watching the World Champs Athletics over the last few days and I've thought nothing of cheering on KJT, Laura Muir, Jaz Sawyers etc. In fact most of the big names I've noticed have been women yet no judgement is made. Maybe it's because it's always been that way? Same for tennis. Eventually people will get used to it and the archaic boos (mostly from old blokes) will become quieter and quieter as the years go by.

You're definitely spot on about not making parallels. I get annoyed when people try to use the women's success to patch over the men's failures, using the overplayed mantra about 'years of hurt'. The women's success will never cure the ills of the men's game and neither should it. They're two separate sports in my eyes. Whether that's wrong or not, I don't know but I think when achievements are woven together it annoys a lot of people. Ultimately you're right though. It's about not seeing them as comparable is the key.
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There's a couple of good points here but the reason women's athletics, women's boxing and women's tennis are so very watchable, is the excitement. These female sports still generate excitement, women's football does not fall into that category which is why I can't watch it.

I see goals on the news and laugh out loud at the goalkeeping and defending, kick it high and boom it's a goal. It's unfortunately, just not credible enough to watch, unlike other female sports.

No media frenzy can magically improve the quality or excitement factor unfortunately.

posted on 22/8/23

quality is still laughable

posted on 22/8/23

OMFG. I saw this article and before I read the comments, I knew which posters would ridicule the women's game and which would be supportive.

In 2021 the census had 51% of the UK population as female. The current worldwide figure is 49.6% are female.

So are people seriously writing off half the population as insignificant. I enjoyed this World Cup. Not quite as much as the male version, but it was enjoyable.

Comparing U15s or League 2 to the women's game is ridiculous. Think about tennis, golf, boxing, etc etc. Men v men. Women v women. Simple really.

posted on 22/8/23

comment by We Are The One And Only Wanderers (U3090)
posted 41 seconds ago
OMFG. I saw this article and before I read the comments, I knew which posters would ridicule the women's game and which would be supportive.

In 2021 the census had 51% of the UK population as female. The current worldwide figure is 49.6% are female.

So are people seriously writing off half the population as insignificant. I enjoyed this World Cup. Not quite as much as the male version, but it was enjoyable.

Comparing U15s or League 2 to the women's game is ridiculous. Think about tennis, golf, boxing, etc etc. Men v men. Women v women. Simple really.
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I agree comparing U15s or League 2 to women's football is ridiculous

It's more u13s and Sunday league standard (that's a Sunday league played mainly by 50+ men with beer bellies)

posted on 22/8/23

comment by Peks (U6618)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by We Are The One And Only Wanderers (U3090)
posted 41 seconds ago
OMFG. I saw this article and before I read the comments, I knew which posters would ridicule the women's game and which would be supportive.

In 2021 the census had 51% of the UK population as female. The current worldwide figure is 49.6% are female.

So are people seriously writing off half the population as insignificant. I enjoyed this World Cup. Not quite as much as the male version, but it was enjoyable.

Comparing U15s or League 2 to the women's game is ridiculous. Think about tennis, golf, boxing, etc etc. Men v men. Women v women. Simple really.
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I agree comparing U15s or League 2 to women's football is ridiculous

It's more u13s and Sunday league standard (that's a Sunday league played mainly by 50+ men with beer bellies)


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Person. That did actually make me chuckle. But you get my point

posted on 22/8/23

Auto correct *Peks

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