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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Mate. Its half time. It was a shiiiity performance and we can all expect a lot better.
But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities.
That's why the OTT reaction is not needed....yet. More of the same next week and Ange's job will be almost impossible to save IMO. A convincing win and its job done and on to the next round where we will have to up our levels.
I stay off the matchday threads for the same reason. Reactionary OTT crying from fans....it's as if some don't know sometimes a team can play badly, in a half and do better in the next half. Or sometimes its just a grind....which what last night was, a grind, decided by a random OG and we're still in the tie. Not ideal but not a disaster that demands fans start questioning everything, calling for the managers head, calling out other fans who have a more positive, considered view.
As for some of the idiots above misrepresenting my opinions...standard onlineretards who if you are not for them then your against them. I have said many times i am not wed to Ange, he has to prove he's worth keeping. IMO, no point sacking him mid season. For me we have to go far in this comp otherwise it's curtains for the aussie. He'd have had a fair crack, blighted by injuries this season but no excuses in the coming weeks as key men are back.
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"But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities"......Thats what worries me..... Haven't seen a lot of quality in the last 18 months.. we're 13th in the league and lost 14 games
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no mitigating factors in all of that
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 52 minutes ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Says the fella that posted this yesterday
Where are the Ange apologists? Where are you now? You feckin pricccks. Players back, loads of rest and we’re still utter, utter shiiiiit. What’s your excuse this time?
Honestly Fridge you are so hypocritical. Telling other supporters to post nicely, and all last night you were posting that supporters that didnt agree with you were pr****cks.
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That was posted after we had to endure the 'stay humble' bullshiiiit.
Gonna throw some shiiiit? Expect some back!
Anyway, I'm done with your and your little gang. Run along now little boy.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Mate. Its half time. It was a shiiiity performance and we can all expect a lot better.
But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities.
That's why the OTT reaction is not needed....yet. More of the same next week and Ange's job will be almost impossible to save IMO. A convincing win and its job done and on to the next round where we will have to up our levels.
I stay off the matchday threads for the same reason. Reactionary OTT crying from fans....it's as if some don't know sometimes a team can play badly, in a half and do better in the next half. Or sometimes its just a grind....which what last night was, a grind, decided by a random OG and we're still in the tie. Not ideal but not a disaster that demands fans start questioning everything, calling for the managers head, calling out other fans who have a more positive, considered view.
As for some of the idiots above misrepresenting my opinions...standard onlineretards who if you are not for them then your against them. I have said many times i am not wed to Ange, he has to prove he's worth keeping. IMO, no point sacking him mid season. For me we have to go far in this comp otherwise it's curtains for the aussie. He'd have had a fair crack, blighted by injuries this season but no excuses in the coming weeks as key men are back.
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"But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities"......Thats what worries me..... Haven't seen a lot of quality in the last 18 months.. we're 13th in the league and lost 14 games
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no mitigating factors in all of that
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Ange being schitt at management and tactically clueless isn’t really a mitigating factor.
The injuries don’t wash with me - the squad was good enough to beat Liverpool 1-0 and win their last 3 Prem matches but has lost 3 cup games on the bounce - another manager that bottles it when the pressure is on
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Mate. Its half time. It was a shiiiity performance and we can all expect a lot better.
But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities.
That's why the OTT reaction is not needed....yet. More of the same next week and Ange's job will be almost impossible to save IMO. A convincing win and its job done and on to the next round where we will have to up our levels.
I stay off the matchday threads for the same reason. Reactionary OTT crying from fans....it's as if some don't know sometimes a team can play badly, in a half and do better in the next half. Or sometimes its just a grind....which what last night was, a grind, decided by a random OG and we're still in the tie. Not ideal but not a disaster that demands fans start questioning everything, calling for the managers head, calling out other fans who have a more positive, considered view.
As for some of the idiots above misrepresenting my opinions...standard onlineretards who if you are not for them then your against them. I have said many times i am not wed to Ange, he has to prove he's worth keeping. IMO, no point sacking him mid season. For me we have to go far in this comp otherwise it's curtains for the aussie. He'd have had a fair crack, blighted by injuries this season but no excuses in the coming weeks as key men are back.
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Fair enough, but where I object is the suggestion that positive view is the considered view. I don't think it is. It's the delusional view. It's the unwillingness to face facts view.
Like I've said to you before, I think the reason for the misalignment of fan opinion is that some just look at the result and let that dictate progress. I look at the performance which is why I was angry during that United game, angry last night, angry in parts at the Ipswich game. We're winning games, not because we're dominating them, but because we're more clinical up top. The same deficiencies remain at the back and in defensive midfield. That's why I get pizzed off and that's why some fans can't wrap their heads around winning ultimately not being good enough for me.
The likes of Luka and Sandy just bait. I know their game. You also have to remember that we'd just lost a game and played as poor as I've ever seen us play. That's going to elicit different emotional responses from different fans. When you've just lost and you're also getting barbed comments from the likes of Luka, it does make you want to tear them a new arrrsehole from time to time. God knows he deserves it.
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comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 52 minutes ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Says the fella that posted this yesterday
Where are the Ange apologists? Where are you now? You feckin pricccks. Players back, loads of rest and we’re still utter, utter shiiiiit. What’s your excuse this time?
Honestly Fridge you are so hypocritical. Telling other supporters to post nicely, and all last night you were posting that supporters that didnt agree with you were pr****cks.
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That was posted after we had to endure the 'stay humble' bullshiiiit.
Gonna throw some shiiiit? Expect some back!
Anyway, I'm done with your and your little gang. Run along now little boy.
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You posted that some supporters were pr***cks on several posts. Don't post what you cannot own.
Imagine calling fellow supporters pr***cks just because they don't share your opinion.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 31 minutes ago
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comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Mate. Its half time. It was a shiiiity performance and we can all expect a lot better.
But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities.
That's why the OTT reaction is not needed....yet. More of the same next week and Ange's job will be almost impossible to save IMO. A convincing win and its job done and on to the next round where we will have to up our levels.
I stay off the matchday threads for the same reason. Reactionary OTT crying from fans....it's as if some don't know sometimes a team can play badly, in a half and do better in the next half. Or sometimes its just a grind....which what last night was, a grind, decided by a random OG and we're still in the tie. Not ideal but not a disaster that demands fans start questioning everything, calling for the managers head, calling out other fans who have a more positive, considered view.
As for some of the idiots above misrepresenting my opinions...standard onlineretards who if you are not for them then your against them. I have said many times i am not wed to Ange, he has to prove he's worth keeping. IMO, no point sacking him mid season. For me we have to go far in this comp otherwise it's curtains for the aussie. He'd have had a fair crack, blighted by injuries this season but no excuses in the coming weeks as key men are back.
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Fans didn’t start questioning things last night, it’s been since the start of the season and has only gone down hill from there. We’re going to end the season with 20 plus losses, in your “considered” opinion, how is that acceptable?
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and what if we win the Europa?
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Do you hand on heart think we will win Europa? Yes or no?
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I asked first!!!
If we get ko'd next week then he's gone. Whether it's immediate or end of season doesnt really matter as the club will be looking for a replacement any way and should be pretty swift in maning that change early summer (no one is coming at this point in a season).
It looks like its becoming more inevitable but if we get through, the next round is in a month or so, and we see how we go.
IMO, we can go far but we will have to play an awful lot better. With players back there will be no excuse not to. We have beaten many good teams under Ange, thrashed a good lot of them, so we are capable. Right now seems unlikely but there's no point getting toxic about it until our exit happens. In the mean time the manager and the players have my support and i'll be there with my boys next week cheering them on with all i havenot hoping for a loss to validate a narrative.
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If we win the Europa then I'd reluctantly have to keep Ange I suppose. Well it depends how performances and results go for the rest of the season. I wouldn't be afraid to sack him if we won the Europa and it was in an unconvincing fashion like yesterday demonstrated.
With an almost fully fit squad back, we should be performing much better than how last night went. There's no scary teams in this competition that we should have to worry about getting vastly outplayed. This also shouldn't mean we get beaten too easily in the league either.
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posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Mate. Its half time. It was a shiiiity performance and we can all expect a lot better.
But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities.
That's why the OTT reaction is not needed....yet. More of the same next week and Ange's job will be almost impossible to save IMO. A convincing win and its job done and on to the next round where we will have to up our levels.
I stay off the matchday threads for the same reason. Reactionary OTT crying from fans....it's as if some don't know sometimes a team can play badly, in a half and do better in the next half. Or sometimes its just a grind....which what last night was, a grind, decided by a random OG and we're still in the tie. Not ideal but not a disaster that demands fans start questioning everything, calling for the managers head, calling out other fans who have a more positive, considered view.
As for some of the idiots above misrepresenting my opinions...standard onlineretards who if you are not for them then your against them. I have said many times i am not wed to Ange, he has to prove he's worth keeping. IMO, no point sacking him mid season. For me we have to go far in this comp otherwise it's curtains for the aussie. He'd have had a fair crack, blighted by injuries this season but no excuses in the coming weeks as key men are back.
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"But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities"......Thats what worries me..... Haven't seen a lot of quality in the last 18 months.. we're 13th in the league and lost 14 games
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no mitigating factors in all of that
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Always mitigating factors but sadly it's a results business and Spurs are a big wealthy club..... Excuses only go so far..... we are beyond that point
Have a look at Bournemouth's injuries, squad size and then look at the way they play and their results
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 52 minutes ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Says the fella that posted this yesterday
Where are the Ange apologists? Where are you now? You feckin pricccks. Players back, loads of rest and we’re still utter, utter shiiiiit. What’s your excuse this time?
Honestly Fridge you are so hypocritical. Telling other supporters to post nicely, and all last night you were posting that supporters that didnt agree with you were pr****cks.
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That was posted after we had to endure the 'stay humble' bullshiiiit.
Gonna throw some shiiiit? Expect some back!
Anyway, I'm done with your and your little gang. Run along now little boy.
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You posted that some supporters were pr***cks on several posts. Don't post what you cannot own.
Imagine calling fellow supporters pr***cks just because they don't share your opinion.
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I'm happy to discuss games. The personal stuff is always lit by the person telling us to stay humble or wait for 500 windows. He knows exactly what he's doing. There was also plenty of antagonistic stuff from Bales last night too. After a while you start to take the bait and call them out for who they really are, and they are pricccccks.
I don't care if they're Spurs fans or not. There are arrrrsholes in every walk of life. They'll be decent Arsenal fans out there too. They're just people and frankly I'm not interested in backing anyone just because they support the same team as me. If I think you're an arrrrsehole, I'll tell you, regardless of who you suppirt.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/guglielmo-vicario-tottenham-fans-angry-az-alkmaar-defeat-b1215224.html
Vic berating the fans, what an absolute joke, read the room mate, and Sonny’s comments were laughable too.
I don't think the players support Ange.... I will have a bet with anyone that within a month of Ange getting the boot there will be players (probably Madders & Romero (The 2 vice captains) talking about how frustrated the players were with the "ideology, playing style, tactics & results
He doesn't come across as a players manager even when he's trying to support them.... He strikes me as disingenuous and a bit of an egomaniac.
His job is to make players better, not to try and turn them into something they're not......Take a look at Slott.... Making a good team better..... Ex Archie and Bergvall most of the squad has got worse and injured more often under Ange
Usual sharticle from levy’s number one fan boy
I see it like this.
We have had a lot of issues to deal with so far this season and however much you want to price that in is up to individuals. I personally give it quite a bit of weight.
BUT, now circumstances are better for us. Players are returning, we have so many better options available on the bench, we have more times between games to rest, recover, and prepare for what's next.
So we should absolutely expect things to improve and for us to perform and deliver at an ever increasing level.
So it was a feckin disappointing performance last night and that was, for me, worse than the result, because we're well in this game. So many players were below par and i cannot blame Ange for that.
But in terms of our approach, we failed to find any balance between being solid and not over committing in the 1st leg of a tie, and actually being aggressive and positive. This is on the manager IMO and we played with a lack of intensity and too much caution that failed to play to our strengths, compounded by a number of the players being off it.
It reminded me of the LFC(a) 2nd leg where we tried to be more cautious and offered nothing going forward, and were picked off by a quality team.
I would much rather Ange reverted to type and had us really going at teams....but i can understand why a more circumspect approach in a 1st leg away is was what we got....but it failed to work.
I dont think the pitch helped. It was a poor quality match with very decent play from either side.
But we should and are entitled to expect better, but it aint over yet so there's no need for the from so many fans on here, but it aint surprising tbh.
If you’re not ‘bed wetting’ right now, as the children on here call it, you are not a football fan.
You must only be satisfied with turnover and profit.
The football fans on here will be concerned with going out of two cups, being 13th in the league, terrible performance, 36 percent win rate, players not turning up and being in the brink of having our season ended in the first week of March.
You carry on counting your pound coins and enjoying our net profit. 👍
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/guglielmo-vicario-tottenham-fans-angry-az-alkmaar-defeat-b1215224.html
Vic berating the fans, what an absolute joke, read the room mate, and Sonny’s comments were laughable too.
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where in that article is Vic berating the fans.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/guglielmo-vicario-tottenham-fans-angry-az-alkmaar-defeat-b1215224.html
Vic berating the fans, what an absolute joke, read the room mate, and Sonny’s comments were laughable too.
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where in that article is Vic berating the fans.
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Did you actually watch any of the game last night?
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't think the players support Ange.... I will have a bet with anyone that within a month of Ange getting the boot there will be players (probably Madders & Romero (The 2 vice captains) talking about how frustrated the players were with the "ideology, playing style, tactics & results
He doesn't come across as a players manager even when he's trying to support them.... He strikes me as disingenuous and a bit of an egomaniac.
His job is to make players better, not to try and turn them into something they're not......Take a look at Slott.... Making a good team better..... Ex Archie and Bergvall most of the squad has got worse and injured more often under Ange
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I wouldn't give too much weight to all this stuff. Players often left out or subbed frequently are always the first to criticise the manager, then, if results don't go right, it spreads throughout the squad as a way of absolving themselves of any blame. There are always dissenting voices in squads but if they're the loudest it's a problem. If Maddison is one of those, and he could be given he's not exactly trusted by Ange week after week, then we have an issue because that's a senior player questioning the state of play.
I hate it though. There's nothing worse than a player doing that. Whatever happened to personal pride. Get out there and do your job. Not for anyone else but yourself.
Once this sort of stuff starts though it's very difficult to stop. Winning the EL is the only way Ange can turn the dressing room around.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/guglielmo-vicario-tottenham-fans-angry-az-alkmaar-defeat-b1215224.html
Vic berating the fans, what an absolute joke, read the room mate, and Sonny’s comments were laughable too.
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where in that article is Vic berating the fans.
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Did you actually watch any of the game last night?
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Did you actually read that article OR my question
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
I see it like this.
We have had a lot of issues to deal with so far this season and however much you want to price that in is up to individuals. I personally give it quite a bit of weight.
BUT, now circumstances are better for us. Players are returning, we have so many better options available on the bench, we have more times between games to rest, recover, and prepare for what's next.
So we should absolutely expect things to improve and for us to perform and deliver at an ever increasing level.
So it was a feckin disappointing performance last night and that was, for me, worse than the result, because we're well in this game. So many players were below par and i cannot blame Ange for that.
But in terms of our approach, we failed to find any balance between being solid and not over committing in the 1st leg of a tie, and actually being aggressive and positive. This is on the manager IMO and we played with a lack of intensity and too much caution that failed to play to our strengths, compounded by a number of the players being off it.
It reminded me of the LFC(a) 2nd leg where we tried to be more cautious and offered nothing going forward, and were picked off by a quality team.
I would much rather Ange reverted to type and had us really going at teams....but i can understand why a more circumspect approach in a 1st leg away is was what we got....but it failed to work.
I dont think the pitch helped. It was a poor quality match with very decent play from either side.
But we should and are entitled to expect better, but it aint over yet so there's no need for thefrom so many fans on here, but it aint surprising tbh.
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The faaaacking pitch excuse is ridiculous
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
I see it like this.
We have had a lot of issues to deal with so far this season and however much you want to price that in is up to individuals. I personally give it quite a bit of weight.
BUT, now circumstances are better for us. Players are returning, we have so many better options available on the bench, we have more times between games to rest, recover, and prepare for what's next.
So we should absolutely expect things to improve and for us to perform and deliver at an ever increasing level.
So it was a feckin disappointing performance last night and that was, for me, worse than the result, because we're well in this game. So many players were below par and i cannot blame Ange for that.
But in terms of our approach, we failed to find any balance between being solid and not over committing in the 1st leg of a tie, and actually being aggressive and positive. This is on the manager IMO and we played with a lack of intensity and too much caution that failed to play to our strengths, compounded by a number of the players being off it.
It reminded me of the LFC(a) 2nd leg where we tried to be more cautious and offered nothing going forward, and were picked off by a quality team.
I would much rather Ange reverted to type and had us really going at teams....but i can understand why a more circumspect approach in a 1st leg away is was what we got....but it failed to work.
I dont think the pitch helped. It was a poor quality match with very decent play from either side.
But we should and are entitled to expect better, but it aint over yet so there's no need for thefrom so many fans on here, but it aint surprising tbh.
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The faaaacking pitch excuse is ridiculous
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Not using as an excuse just think it didnt help the quality of the game overall. And it was a poor quality game (and pitch)
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I see it like this.
We have had a lot of issues to deal with so far this season and however much you want to price that in is up to individuals. I personally give it quite a bit of weight.
BUT, now circumstances are better for us. Players are returning, we have so many better options available on the bench, we have more times between games to rest, recover, and prepare for what's next.
So we should absolutely expect things to improve and for us to perform and deliver at an ever increasing level.
So it was a feckin disappointing performance last night and that was, for me, worse than the result, because we're well in this game. So many players were below par and i cannot blame Ange for that.
But in terms of our approach, we failed to find any balance between being solid and not over committing in the 1st leg of a tie, and actually being aggressive and positive. This is on the manager IMO and we played with a lack of intensity and too much caution that failed to play to our strengths, compounded by a number of the players being off it.
It reminded me of the LFC(a) 2nd leg where we tried to be more cautious and offered nothing going forward, and were picked off by a quality team.
I would much rather Ange reverted to type and had us really going at teams....but i can understand why a more circumspect approach in a 1st leg away is was what we got....but it failed to work.
I dont think the pitch helped. It was a poor quality match with very decent play from either side.
But we should and are entitled to expect better, but it aint over yet so there's no need for thefrom so many fans on here, but it aint surprising tbh.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with tactically switching things up in Europe. I actually think it's wise as it's more about control and ball retention than it is recklessly bombing on as Ange often does. Where I think it falls down is that Ange's philosophy, certainly within the spin of the media, is built on one way. Even the line "that's who we are mate" suggests we have one way of playing so if you play 100 times and in 99 of them you're playing one way, it's fair to say you're going to be a little rusty or confused that one time you decide to mix things up. His lack of variation up until this point has lead to an incapability to adapt. That showed when we tried something different at Everton too. You have to coach this into players. They need the muscle memory to successfully adapt to it.
Part of me thinks that the players are fully aware that when we do try a slightly different approach, Ange isn't fully wedded to it. That makes leadership rudderless.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I see it like this.
We have had a lot of issues to deal with so far this season and however much you want to price that in is up to individuals. I personally give it quite a bit of weight.
BUT, now circumstances are better for us. Players are returning, we have so many better options available on the bench, we have more times between games to rest, recover, and prepare for what's next.
So we should absolutely expect things to improve and for us to perform and deliver at an ever increasing level.
So it was a feckin disappointing performance last night and that was, for me, worse than the result, because we're well in this game. So many players were below par and i cannot blame Ange for that.
But in terms of our approach, we failed to find any balance between being solid and not over committing in the 1st leg of a tie, and actually being aggressive and positive. This is on the manager IMO and we played with a lack of intensity and too much caution that failed to play to our strengths, compounded by a number of the players being off it.
It reminded me of the LFC(a) 2nd leg where we tried to be more cautious and offered nothing going forward, and were picked off by a quality team.
I would much rather Ange reverted to type and had us really going at teams....but i can understand why a more circumspect approach in a 1st leg away is was what we got....but it failed to work.
I dont think the pitch helped. It was a poor quality match with very decent play from either side.
But we should and are entitled to expect better, but it aint over yet so there's no need for thefrom so many fans on here, but it aint surprising tbh.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with tactically switching things up in Europe. I actually think it's wise as it's more about control and ball retention than it is recklessly bombing on as Ange often does. Where I think it falls down is that Ange's philosophy, certainly within the spin of the media, is built on one way. Even the line "that's who we are mate" suggests we have one way of playing so if you play 100 times and in 99 of them you're playing one way, it's fair to say you're going to be a little rusty or confused that one time you decide to mix things up. His lack of variation up until this point has lead to an incapability to adapt. That showed when we tried something different at Everton too. You have to coach this into players. They need the muscle memory to successfully adapt to it.
Part of me thinks that the players are fully aware that when we do try a slightly different approach, Ange isn't fully wedded to it. That makes leadership rudderless.
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I agree and Ange has 00% compromised on his "no compromise football"
He is yet to prove whether he can find the balance and if you take 2 very clear examples like last night and vs Liverpool then he clearly hasnt.
It really doesnt help this sort of tactic when your striker is a 5ft10" light weight who just doesnt get in the game at all, hold it up, link play or really offer running in behind. But even ignoring that personnel issue, there was so little intensity to how we played.
I mentioned it the other day, how Palace thrashed Villa. They sat off Villa to a degree but set traps and pounced on them ...but without fully retreating and without over committing. But they caught them, numerous times and made plenty of chances and scored 4.
Yesterday, we were not our aggressive pressing selves (although havent seen this for a while) and that's kinda fine in an way Euro game as you say But we retreated and it was hard to see what the plan was. When we had possession they sat very deep but again, hard to see what the plan was to break them down. Thought Maddison was too advanced, and passes out from the back didnt find him in any holes as it was just passed across the back and mainly down the wings. No risk, no bravery, far too often sideways.....this is the opposite of Ange's mantra of 15 months ago. And this is the concern that under him we cannot find the happy balance, that anything that steps back from pure Ange ball, will just fail.
I hope we go Ange ball 2nd leg and thereafter because i don't think we will have much hope if we try to play a tight game. We are yet to prove we have that in us.
Well the one thing in our favour is clarity of requirement - we have to win, which should suit our set up more. If we'd got a win out there, I'm not sure we have the nous to hold onto a lead anyway. We're much better when the shackles are off and they kind of have to be now.
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posted on 7/3/25
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I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Mate. Its half time. It was a shiiiity performance and we can all expect a lot better.
But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities.
That's why the OTT reaction is not needed....yet. More of the same next week and Ange's job will be almost impossible to save IMO. A convincing win and its job done and on to the next round where we will have to up our levels.
I stay off the matchday threads for the same reason. Reactionary OTT crying from fans....it's as if some don't know sometimes a team can play badly, in a half and do better in the next half. Or sometimes its just a grind....which what last night was, a grind, decided by a random OG and we're still in the tie. Not ideal but not a disaster that demands fans start questioning everything, calling for the managers head, calling out other fans who have a more positive, considered view.
As for some of the idiots above misrepresenting my opinions...standard onlineretards who if you are not for them then your against them. I have said many times i am not wed to Ange, he has to prove he's worth keeping. IMO, no point sacking him mid season. For me we have to go far in this comp otherwise it's curtains for the aussie. He'd have had a fair crack, blighted by injuries this season but no excuses in the coming weeks as key men are back.
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"But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities"......Thats what worries me..... Haven't seen a lot of quality in the last 18 months.. we're 13th in the league and lost 14 games
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no mitigating factors in all of that
posted on 7/3/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 52 minutes ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Says the fella that posted this yesterday
Where are the Ange apologists? Where are you now? You feckin pricccks. Players back, loads of rest and we’re still utter, utter shiiiiit. What’s your excuse this time?
Honestly Fridge you are so hypocritical. Telling other supporters to post nicely, and all last night you were posting that supporters that didnt agree with you were pr****cks.
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That was posted after we had to endure the 'stay humble' bullshiiiit.
Gonna throw some shiiiit? Expect some back!
Anyway, I'm done with your and your little gang. Run along now little boy.
posted on 7/3/25
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Mate. Its half time. It was a shiiiity performance and we can all expect a lot better.
But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities.
That's why the OTT reaction is not needed....yet. More of the same next week and Ange's job will be almost impossible to save IMO. A convincing win and its job done and on to the next round where we will have to up our levels.
I stay off the matchday threads for the same reason. Reactionary OTT crying from fans....it's as if some don't know sometimes a team can play badly, in a half and do better in the next half. Or sometimes its just a grind....which what last night was, a grind, decided by a random OG and we're still in the tie. Not ideal but not a disaster that demands fans start questioning everything, calling for the managers head, calling out other fans who have a more positive, considered view.
As for some of the idiots above misrepresenting my opinions...standard onlineretards who if you are not for them then your against them. I have said many times i am not wed to Ange, he has to prove he's worth keeping. IMO, no point sacking him mid season. For me we have to go far in this comp otherwise it's curtains for the aussie. He'd have had a fair crack, blighted by injuries this season but no excuses in the coming weeks as key men are back.
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"But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities"......Thats what worries me..... Haven't seen a lot of quality in the last 18 months.. we're 13th in the league and lost 14 games
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no mitigating factors in all of that
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Ange being schitt at management and tactically clueless isn’t really a mitigating factor.
The injuries don’t wash with me - the squad was good enough to beat Liverpool 1-0 and win their last 3 Prem matches but has lost 3 cup games on the bounce - another manager that bottles it when the pressure is on
posted on 7/3/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Mate. Its half time. It was a shiiiity performance and we can all expect a lot better.
But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities.
That's why the OTT reaction is not needed....yet. More of the same next week and Ange's job will be almost impossible to save IMO. A convincing win and its job done and on to the next round where we will have to up our levels.
I stay off the matchday threads for the same reason. Reactionary OTT crying from fans....it's as if some don't know sometimes a team can play badly, in a half and do better in the next half. Or sometimes its just a grind....which what last night was, a grind, decided by a random OG and we're still in the tie. Not ideal but not a disaster that demands fans start questioning everything, calling for the managers head, calling out other fans who have a more positive, considered view.
As for some of the idiots above misrepresenting my opinions...standard onlineretards who if you are not for them then your against them. I have said many times i am not wed to Ange, he has to prove he's worth keeping. IMO, no point sacking him mid season. For me we have to go far in this comp otherwise it's curtains for the aussie. He'd have had a fair crack, blighted by injuries this season but no excuses in the coming weeks as key men are back.
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Fair enough, but where I object is the suggestion that positive view is the considered view. I don't think it is. It's the delusional view. It's the unwillingness to face facts view.
Like I've said to you before, I think the reason for the misalignment of fan opinion is that some just look at the result and let that dictate progress. I look at the performance which is why I was angry during that United game, angry last night, angry in parts at the Ipswich game. We're winning games, not because we're dominating them, but because we're more clinical up top. The same deficiencies remain at the back and in defensive midfield. That's why I get pizzed off and that's why some fans can't wrap their heads around winning ultimately not being good enough for me.
The likes of Luka and Sandy just bait. I know their game. You also have to remember that we'd just lost a game and played as poor as I've ever seen us play. That's going to elicit different emotional responses from different fans. When you've just lost and you're also getting barbed comments from the likes of Luka, it does make you want to tear them a new arrrsehole from time to time. God knows he deserves it.
posted on 7/3/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 52 minutes ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Says the fella that posted this yesterday
Where are the Ange apologists? Where are you now? You feckin pricccks. Players back, loads of rest and we’re still utter, utter shiiiiit. What’s your excuse this time?
Honestly Fridge you are so hypocritical. Telling other supporters to post nicely, and all last night you were posting that supporters that didnt agree with you were pr****cks.
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That was posted after we had to endure the 'stay humble' bullshiiiit.
Gonna throw some shiiiit? Expect some back!
Anyway, I'm done with your and your little gang. Run along now little boy.
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You posted that some supporters were pr***cks on several posts. Don't post what you cannot own.
Imagine calling fellow supporters pr***cks just because they don't share your opinion.
posted on 7/3/25
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posted 31 minutes ago
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comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Mate. Its half time. It was a shiiiity performance and we can all expect a lot better.
But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities.
That's why the OTT reaction is not needed....yet. More of the same next week and Ange's job will be almost impossible to save IMO. A convincing win and its job done and on to the next round where we will have to up our levels.
I stay off the matchday threads for the same reason. Reactionary OTT crying from fans....it's as if some don't know sometimes a team can play badly, in a half and do better in the next half. Or sometimes its just a grind....which what last night was, a grind, decided by a random OG and we're still in the tie. Not ideal but not a disaster that demands fans start questioning everything, calling for the managers head, calling out other fans who have a more positive, considered view.
As for some of the idiots above misrepresenting my opinions...standard onlineretards who if you are not for them then your against them. I have said many times i am not wed to Ange, he has to prove he's worth keeping. IMO, no point sacking him mid season. For me we have to go far in this comp otherwise it's curtains for the aussie. He'd have had a fair crack, blighted by injuries this season but no excuses in the coming weeks as key men are back.
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Fans didn’t start questioning things last night, it’s been since the start of the season and has only gone down hill from there. We’re going to end the season with 20 plus losses, in your “considered” opinion, how is that acceptable?
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and what if we win the Europa?
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Do you hand on heart think we will win Europa? Yes or no?
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I asked first!!!
If we get ko'd next week then he's gone. Whether it's immediate or end of season doesnt really matter as the club will be looking for a replacement any way and should be pretty swift in maning that change early summer (no one is coming at this point in a season).
It looks like its becoming more inevitable but if we get through, the next round is in a month or so, and we see how we go.
IMO, we can go far but we will have to play an awful lot better. With players back there will be no excuse not to. We have beaten many good teams under Ange, thrashed a good lot of them, so we are capable. Right now seems unlikely but there's no point getting toxic about it until our exit happens. In the mean time the manager and the players have my support and i'll be there with my boys next week cheering them on with all i havenot hoping for a loss to validate a narrative.
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If we win the Europa then I'd reluctantly have to keep Ange I suppose. Well it depends how performances and results go for the rest of the season. I wouldn't be afraid to sack him if we won the Europa and it was in an unconvincing fashion like yesterday demonstrated.
With an almost fully fit squad back, we should be performing much better than how last night went. There's no scary teams in this competition that we should have to worry about getting vastly outplayed. This also shouldn't mean we get beaten too easily in the league either.
posted on 7/3/25
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comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Mate. Its half time. It was a shiiiity performance and we can all expect a lot better.
But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities.
That's why the OTT reaction is not needed....yet. More of the same next week and Ange's job will be almost impossible to save IMO. A convincing win and its job done and on to the next round where we will have to up our levels.
I stay off the matchday threads for the same reason. Reactionary OTT crying from fans....it's as if some don't know sometimes a team can play badly, in a half and do better in the next half. Or sometimes its just a grind....which what last night was, a grind, decided by a random OG and we're still in the tie. Not ideal but not a disaster that demands fans start questioning everything, calling for the managers head, calling out other fans who have a more positive, considered view.
As for some of the idiots above misrepresenting my opinions...standard onlineretards who if you are not for them then your against them. I have said many times i am not wed to Ange, he has to prove he's worth keeping. IMO, no point sacking him mid season. For me we have to go far in this comp otherwise it's curtains for the aussie. He'd have had a fair crack, blighted by injuries this season but no excuses in the coming weeks as key men are back.
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"But we have a 2nd leg at home and will need to show our qualities"......Thats what worries me..... Haven't seen a lot of quality in the last 18 months.. we're 13th in the league and lost 14 games
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no mitigating factors in all of that
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Always mitigating factors but sadly it's a results business and Spurs are a big wealthy club..... Excuses only go so far..... we are beyond that point
posted on 7/3/25
Have a look at Bournemouth's injuries, squad size and then look at the way they play and their results
posted on 7/3/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 52 minutes ago
I actually find this article a bit disappointing because you're a good poster Dev with plenty of reasoned arguments. I don't agree with you about Levy but you argue your case well. Rolling out lines like "Bedwetters" puts you in the Luka category and that's sorry company to keep.
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Says the fella that posted this yesterday
Where are the Ange apologists? Where are you now? You feckin pricccks. Players back, loads of rest and we’re still utter, utter shiiiiit. What’s your excuse this time?
Honestly Fridge you are so hypocritical. Telling other supporters to post nicely, and all last night you were posting that supporters that didnt agree with you were pr****cks.
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That was posted after we had to endure the 'stay humble' bullshiiiit.
Gonna throw some shiiiit? Expect some back!
Anyway, I'm done with your and your little gang. Run along now little boy.
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You posted that some supporters were pr***cks on several posts. Don't post what you cannot own.
Imagine calling fellow supporters pr***cks just because they don't share your opinion.
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I'm happy to discuss games. The personal stuff is always lit by the person telling us to stay humble or wait for 500 windows. He knows exactly what he's doing. There was also plenty of antagonistic stuff from Bales last night too. After a while you start to take the bait and call them out for who they really are, and they are pricccccks.
posted on 7/3/25
I don't care if they're Spurs fans or not. There are arrrrsholes in every walk of life. They'll be decent Arsenal fans out there too. They're just people and frankly I'm not interested in backing anyone just because they support the same team as me. If I think you're an arrrrsehole, I'll tell you, regardless of who you suppirt.
posted on 7/3/25
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/guglielmo-vicario-tottenham-fans-angry-az-alkmaar-defeat-b1215224.html
Vic berating the fans, what an absolute joke, read the room mate, and Sonny’s comments were laughable too.
posted on 7/3/25
I don't think the players support Ange.... I will have a bet with anyone that within a month of Ange getting the boot there will be players (probably Madders & Romero (The 2 vice captains) talking about how frustrated the players were with the "ideology, playing style, tactics & results
He doesn't come across as a players manager even when he's trying to support them.... He strikes me as disingenuous and a bit of an egomaniac.
His job is to make players better, not to try and turn them into something they're not......Take a look at Slott.... Making a good team better..... Ex Archie and Bergvall most of the squad has got worse and injured more often under Ange
posted on 7/3/25
Usual sharticle from levy’s number one fan boy
posted on 7/3/25
I see it like this.
We have had a lot of issues to deal with so far this season and however much you want to price that in is up to individuals. I personally give it quite a bit of weight.
BUT, now circumstances are better for us. Players are returning, we have so many better options available on the bench, we have more times between games to rest, recover, and prepare for what's next.
So we should absolutely expect things to improve and for us to perform and deliver at an ever increasing level.
So it was a feckin disappointing performance last night and that was, for me, worse than the result, because we're well in this game. So many players were below par and i cannot blame Ange for that.
But in terms of our approach, we failed to find any balance between being solid and not over committing in the 1st leg of a tie, and actually being aggressive and positive. This is on the manager IMO and we played with a lack of intensity and too much caution that failed to play to our strengths, compounded by a number of the players being off it.
It reminded me of the LFC(a) 2nd leg where we tried to be more cautious and offered nothing going forward, and were picked off by a quality team.
I would much rather Ange reverted to type and had us really going at teams....but i can understand why a more circumspect approach in a 1st leg away is was what we got....but it failed to work.
I dont think the pitch helped. It was a poor quality match with very decent play from either side.
But we should and are entitled to expect better, but it aint over yet so there's no need for the from so many fans on here, but it aint surprising tbh.
posted on 7/3/25
If you’re not ‘bed wetting’ right now, as the children on here call it, you are not a football fan.
You must only be satisfied with turnover and profit.
The football fans on here will be concerned with going out of two cups, being 13th in the league, terrible performance, 36 percent win rate, players not turning up and being in the brink of having our season ended in the first week of March.
You carry on counting your pound coins and enjoying our net profit. 👍
posted on 7/3/25
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/guglielmo-vicario-tottenham-fans-angry-az-alkmaar-defeat-b1215224.html
Vic berating the fans, what an absolute joke, read the room mate, and Sonny’s comments were laughable too.
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where in that article is Vic berating the fans.
posted on 7/3/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/guglielmo-vicario-tottenham-fans-angry-az-alkmaar-defeat-b1215224.html
Vic berating the fans, what an absolute joke, read the room mate, and Sonny’s comments were laughable too.
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where in that article is Vic berating the fans.
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Did you actually watch any of the game last night?
posted on 7/3/25
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't think the players support Ange.... I will have a bet with anyone that within a month of Ange getting the boot there will be players (probably Madders & Romero (The 2 vice captains) talking about how frustrated the players were with the "ideology, playing style, tactics & results
He doesn't come across as a players manager even when he's trying to support them.... He strikes me as disingenuous and a bit of an egomaniac.
His job is to make players better, not to try and turn them into something they're not......Take a look at Slott.... Making a good team better..... Ex Archie and Bergvall most of the squad has got worse and injured more often under Ange
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I wouldn't give too much weight to all this stuff. Players often left out or subbed frequently are always the first to criticise the manager, then, if results don't go right, it spreads throughout the squad as a way of absolving themselves of any blame. There are always dissenting voices in squads but if they're the loudest it's a problem. If Maddison is one of those, and he could be given he's not exactly trusted by Ange week after week, then we have an issue because that's a senior player questioning the state of play.
I hate it though. There's nothing worse than a player doing that. Whatever happened to personal pride. Get out there and do your job. Not for anyone else but yourself.
Once this sort of stuff starts though it's very difficult to stop. Winning the EL is the only way Ange can turn the dressing room around.
posted on 7/3/25
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/guglielmo-vicario-tottenham-fans-angry-az-alkmaar-defeat-b1215224.html
Vic berating the fans, what an absolute joke, read the room mate, and Sonny’s comments were laughable too.
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where in that article is Vic berating the fans.
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Did you actually watch any of the game last night?
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Did you actually read that article OR my question
posted on 7/3/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
I see it like this.
We have had a lot of issues to deal with so far this season and however much you want to price that in is up to individuals. I personally give it quite a bit of weight.
BUT, now circumstances are better for us. Players are returning, we have so many better options available on the bench, we have more times between games to rest, recover, and prepare for what's next.
So we should absolutely expect things to improve and for us to perform and deliver at an ever increasing level.
So it was a feckin disappointing performance last night and that was, for me, worse than the result, because we're well in this game. So many players were below par and i cannot blame Ange for that.
But in terms of our approach, we failed to find any balance between being solid and not over committing in the 1st leg of a tie, and actually being aggressive and positive. This is on the manager IMO and we played with a lack of intensity and too much caution that failed to play to our strengths, compounded by a number of the players being off it.
It reminded me of the LFC(a) 2nd leg where we tried to be more cautious and offered nothing going forward, and were picked off by a quality team.
I would much rather Ange reverted to type and had us really going at teams....but i can understand why a more circumspect approach in a 1st leg away is was what we got....but it failed to work.
I dont think the pitch helped. It was a poor quality match with very decent play from either side.
But we should and are entitled to expect better, but it aint over yet so there's no need for thefrom so many fans on here, but it aint surprising tbh.
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The faaaacking pitch excuse is ridiculous
posted on 7/3/25
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
I see it like this.
We have had a lot of issues to deal with so far this season and however much you want to price that in is up to individuals. I personally give it quite a bit of weight.
BUT, now circumstances are better for us. Players are returning, we have so many better options available on the bench, we have more times between games to rest, recover, and prepare for what's next.
So we should absolutely expect things to improve and for us to perform and deliver at an ever increasing level.
So it was a feckin disappointing performance last night and that was, for me, worse than the result, because we're well in this game. So many players were below par and i cannot blame Ange for that.
But in terms of our approach, we failed to find any balance between being solid and not over committing in the 1st leg of a tie, and actually being aggressive and positive. This is on the manager IMO and we played with a lack of intensity and too much caution that failed to play to our strengths, compounded by a number of the players being off it.
It reminded me of the LFC(a) 2nd leg where we tried to be more cautious and offered nothing going forward, and were picked off by a quality team.
I would much rather Ange reverted to type and had us really going at teams....but i can understand why a more circumspect approach in a 1st leg away is was what we got....but it failed to work.
I dont think the pitch helped. It was a poor quality match with very decent play from either side.
But we should and are entitled to expect better, but it aint over yet so there's no need for thefrom so many fans on here, but it aint surprising tbh.
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The faaaacking pitch excuse is ridiculous
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Not using as an excuse just think it didnt help the quality of the game overall. And it was a poor quality game (and pitch)
posted on 7/3/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I see it like this.
We have had a lot of issues to deal with so far this season and however much you want to price that in is up to individuals. I personally give it quite a bit of weight.
BUT, now circumstances are better for us. Players are returning, we have so many better options available on the bench, we have more times between games to rest, recover, and prepare for what's next.
So we should absolutely expect things to improve and for us to perform and deliver at an ever increasing level.
So it was a feckin disappointing performance last night and that was, for me, worse than the result, because we're well in this game. So many players were below par and i cannot blame Ange for that.
But in terms of our approach, we failed to find any balance between being solid and not over committing in the 1st leg of a tie, and actually being aggressive and positive. This is on the manager IMO and we played with a lack of intensity and too much caution that failed to play to our strengths, compounded by a number of the players being off it.
It reminded me of the LFC(a) 2nd leg where we tried to be more cautious and offered nothing going forward, and were picked off by a quality team.
I would much rather Ange reverted to type and had us really going at teams....but i can understand why a more circumspect approach in a 1st leg away is was what we got....but it failed to work.
I dont think the pitch helped. It was a poor quality match with very decent play from either side.
But we should and are entitled to expect better, but it aint over yet so there's no need for thefrom so many fans on here, but it aint surprising tbh.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with tactically switching things up in Europe. I actually think it's wise as it's more about control and ball retention than it is recklessly bombing on as Ange often does. Where I think it falls down is that Ange's philosophy, certainly within the spin of the media, is built on one way. Even the line "that's who we are mate" suggests we have one way of playing so if you play 100 times and in 99 of them you're playing one way, it's fair to say you're going to be a little rusty or confused that one time you decide to mix things up. His lack of variation up until this point has lead to an incapability to adapt. That showed when we tried something different at Everton too. You have to coach this into players. They need the muscle memory to successfully adapt to it.
Part of me thinks that the players are fully aware that when we do try a slightly different approach, Ange isn't fully wedded to it. That makes leadership rudderless.
posted on 7/3/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
I see it like this.
We have had a lot of issues to deal with so far this season and however much you want to price that in is up to individuals. I personally give it quite a bit of weight.
BUT, now circumstances are better for us. Players are returning, we have so many better options available on the bench, we have more times between games to rest, recover, and prepare for what's next.
So we should absolutely expect things to improve and for us to perform and deliver at an ever increasing level.
So it was a feckin disappointing performance last night and that was, for me, worse than the result, because we're well in this game. So many players were below par and i cannot blame Ange for that.
But in terms of our approach, we failed to find any balance between being solid and not over committing in the 1st leg of a tie, and actually being aggressive and positive. This is on the manager IMO and we played with a lack of intensity and too much caution that failed to play to our strengths, compounded by a number of the players being off it.
It reminded me of the LFC(a) 2nd leg where we tried to be more cautious and offered nothing going forward, and were picked off by a quality team.
I would much rather Ange reverted to type and had us really going at teams....but i can understand why a more circumspect approach in a 1st leg away is was what we got....but it failed to work.
I dont think the pitch helped. It was a poor quality match with very decent play from either side.
But we should and are entitled to expect better, but it aint over yet so there's no need for thefrom so many fans on here, but it aint surprising tbh.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with tactically switching things up in Europe. I actually think it's wise as it's more about control and ball retention than it is recklessly bombing on as Ange often does. Where I think it falls down is that Ange's philosophy, certainly within the spin of the media, is built on one way. Even the line "that's who we are mate" suggests we have one way of playing so if you play 100 times and in 99 of them you're playing one way, it's fair to say you're going to be a little rusty or confused that one time you decide to mix things up. His lack of variation up until this point has lead to an incapability to adapt. That showed when we tried something different at Everton too. You have to coach this into players. They need the muscle memory to successfully adapt to it.
Part of me thinks that the players are fully aware that when we do try a slightly different approach, Ange isn't fully wedded to it. That makes leadership rudderless.
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I agree and Ange has 00% compromised on his "no compromise football"
He is yet to prove whether he can find the balance and if you take 2 very clear examples like last night and vs Liverpool then he clearly hasnt.
It really doesnt help this sort of tactic when your striker is a 5ft10" light weight who just doesnt get in the game at all, hold it up, link play or really offer running in behind. But even ignoring that personnel issue, there was so little intensity to how we played.
I mentioned it the other day, how Palace thrashed Villa. They sat off Villa to a degree but set traps and pounced on them ...but without fully retreating and without over committing. But they caught them, numerous times and made plenty of chances and scored 4.
Yesterday, we were not our aggressive pressing selves (although havent seen this for a while) and that's kinda fine in an way Euro game as you say But we retreated and it was hard to see what the plan was. When we had possession they sat very deep but again, hard to see what the plan was to break them down. Thought Maddison was too advanced, and passes out from the back didnt find him in any holes as it was just passed across the back and mainly down the wings. No risk, no bravery, far too often sideways.....this is the opposite of Ange's mantra of 15 months ago. And this is the concern that under him we cannot find the happy balance, that anything that steps back from pure Ange ball, will just fail.
I hope we go Ange ball 2nd leg and thereafter because i don't think we will have much hope if we try to play a tight game. We are yet to prove we have that in us.
posted on 7/3/25
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posted on 7/3/25
Well the one thing in our favour is clarity of requirement - we have to win, which should suit our set up more. If we'd got a win out there, I'm not sure we have the nous to hold onto a lead anyway. We're much better when the shackles are off and they kind of have to be now.
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