comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
never go back
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There are as many examples of successes as there are failures when managers retread the same ground meaning your point holds absolutely no weight whatsoever. If he were managing the same set of players maybe, but he wouldn’t be. That whole never go back thing feels like a lazy pundits answer because ultimately it’s hollow and meaningless.
Bring him home!
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
never go back
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Why not? We’ve gone back to the bottom half of the table and competing in Europe’s second teir competition and you seem fine with that.
Personally I prefer finishing 3rd/4th in the league every season and playing in the Champions League.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
never go back
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There are as many examples of successes as there are failures when managers retread the same ground meaning your point holds absolutely no weight whatsoever. If he were managing the same set of players maybe, but he wouldn’t be. That whole never go back thing feels like a lazy pundits answer because ultimately it’s hollow and meaningless.
Bring him home!
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
never go back
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There are as many examples of successes as there are failures when managers retread the same ground meaning your point holds absolutely no weight whatsoever. If he were managing the same set of players maybe, but he wouldn’t be. That whole never go back thing feels like a lazy pundits answer because ultimately it’s hollow and meaningless.
Bring him home!
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If there are as many successes as failures then my point holds as much weight as the counter argument
You are basically saying there's a 50/50 chance this could be successful.
I love Poch. Do not get me wrong. He took me to a UCL final. I will have few greater footballing memories than that weekend in madrid!
But the man has achieved next to zero in the last 6 years. There's no real evidence he should get the job on merit.
It's more nostalgia, which is compelling, but that makes it more of a 75% heart decision and 25% brain/football decision.
Poch would be in the mix if he's available. I'd like to see how he would do with the new stadium now fixed and the sort of money Ange has been given.
Would not be my first choice though over Iraola and I would have some doubts that he'd come back to us with the same levels of ambition he had when he first came. It felt like a good step for him to go from Southampton to Spurs before. It's a bit different now in this stage of his career.
A good manager that loves the club, plays great football and desperately wants to manage spurs
Also the only manager to make us challengers under enic entertainment inc’s restrictions on football success
Makes far too much sense for our incompetent leader
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
never go back
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Why not? We’ve gone back to the bottom half of the table and competing in Europe’s second teir competition and you seem fine with that.
Personally I prefer finishing 3rd/4th in the league every season and playing in the Champions League.
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We were 14th hen he was sacked. So you endorse his sacking?
Plus this squad would suit him to the ground. It’s perfect for him.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
Poch would be in the mix if he's available. I'd like to see how he would do with the new stadium now fixed and the sort of money Ange has been given.
Would not be my first choice though over Iraola and I would have some doubts that he'd come back to us with the same levels of ambition he had when he first came. It felt like a good step for him to go from Southampton to Spurs before. It's a bit different now in this stage of his career.
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I disagree with this. I think the disgraceful way he was dumped in favour of mourhino heading an Amazon documentary, plus the fact he genuinely loves the club, might see him even more determined
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
never go back
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Why not? We’ve gone back to the bottom half of the table and competing in Europe’s second teir competition and you seem fine with that.
Personally I prefer finishing 3rd/4th in the league every season and playing in the Champions League.
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We were 14th hen he was sacked. So you endorse his sacking?
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Why do you want a future of mid table mediocrity and no European football?
comment by Mack follows change for Tottenham on X (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
Poch would be in the mix if he's available. I'd like to see how he would do with the new stadium now fixed and the sort of money Ange has been given.
Would not be my first choice though over Iraola and I would have some doubts that he'd come back to us with the same levels of ambition he had when he first came. It felt like a good step for him to go from Southampton to Spurs before. It's a bit different now in this stage of his career.
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I disagree with this. I think the disgraceful way he was dumped in favour of mourhino heading an Amazon documentary, plus the fact he genuinely loves the club, might see him even more determined
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Since he was with us he's been at a couple of big clubs with varying degrees of success. I wouldn't be naive enough to think that won't have changed him at all but maybe he is still the same guy and I'd still have him back. He did better at Chelsea last season than Ange did with us last season IMO so I have no doubt we'd be doing better with him this season.
Chelsea finished below us in the league and Spurtle thinks he did a better job 😂. Clueless.
The Poch diciples are weird as funk.
As for Poch being interviewed a few hours before we play a big game and telling the world he is still begging for his old job back. Cringe as funk.
If I was an employer, I would stay well clear.
Over to you the Poch diciples to defend their lord.....
Poch failure at Spurs, zero trophies.
Spurtle "Poch was a success, success can be measured in different forms. Failure is success in Poch world."
3 one stars
The dream is a nightmare I guess
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
never go back
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Why not? We’ve gone back to the bottom half of the table and competing in Europe’s second teir competition and you seem fine with that.
Personally I prefer finishing 3rd/4th in the league every season and playing in the Champions League.
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We were 14th hen he was sacked. So you endorse his sacking?
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Why do you want a future of mid table mediocrity and no European football?
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Where have i said that's what i want?
And is Poch the only option to offer that?
"that" being Europe and higher finishes.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
never go back
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Why not? We’ve gone back to the bottom half of the table and competing in Europe’s second teir competition and you seem fine with that.
Personally I prefer finishing 3rd/4th in the league every season and playing in the Champions League.
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We were 14th hen he was sacked. So you endorse his sacking?
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Why do you want a future of mid table mediocrity and no European football?
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Where have i said that's what i want?
And is Poch the only option to offer that?
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The best option.
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 44 minutes ago
Poch failure at Spurs, zero trophies.
Spurtle "Poch was a success, success can be measured in different forms. Failure is success in Poch world."
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Failure is what we’re experiencing NOW.
If football was this simple and things worked as they should we will all do the Pools and be millionaires.
I love Poch and wont be averse to see him returning. However, its folly to think as he was "successful" in his previous stint he will be able to replicate the same now or go even better.
The game has moved on and the EPL is much more competitive. The so called lesser teams scout really well and most are able to compete with the bigger teams.
A clamour on here for the next flavour of the month manager has failed to work in the past 6 years which tells me our issues lie much deeper!
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 44 minutes ago
Poch failure at Spurs, zero trophies.
Spurtle "Poch was a success, success can be measured in different forms. Failure is success in Poch world."
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Failure is what we’re experiencing NOW.
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And what did Spurs win under Pochettino in five and a half seasons?
20 Tournaments entered = zero wins.
I think we have done that gig.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 44 minutes ago
Poch failure at Spurs, zero trophies.
Spurtle "Poch was a success, success can be measured in different forms. Failure is success in Poch world."
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Failure is what we’re experiencing NOW.
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And what did Spurs win under Pochettino in five and a half seasons?
20 Tournaments entered = zero wins.
I think we have done that gig.
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And now we’re not even competing.
#BringHimHome
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 9 minutes ago
If football was this simple and things worked as they should we will all do the Pools and be millionaires.
I love Poch and wont be averse to see him returning. However, its folly to think as he was "successful" in his previous stint he will be able to replicate the same now or go even better.
The game has moved on and the EPL is much more competitive. The so called lesser teams scout really well and most are able to compete with the bigger teams.
A clamour on here for the next flavour of the month manager has failed to work in the past 6 years which tells me our issues lie much deeper!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The enforcement of PSR is also changing the game.
Teams are far less able to compile massive squads, stock piling talent.
This has opened up the market for other clubs to scout and purchase well.
I also think the game has an ever increasing physical element to it. Tippy tappy is being countered by physical athletic pacey opposition who can over power, who can go more direct, who have technical quality (not just Dyche style hoofball to the big man) and hurt even the best teams.
In the end of Poch's reign, we really struggled to break teams down. They sat back defended in numbers and limited our options. The same sorts of teams now also possess much more potent technical attacking options and teams like Forest typify this defensive organised quality matched with powerful attacking options. We seem to be seeing a lot more teams with 65% possession, struggling to make good chances and losing.
SO i think you are totally correct It is far more competitive now, and more than ever teams in the top 12-14 can give the bigger teams a serious game
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
never go back
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There are as many examples of successes as there are failures when managers retread the same ground meaning your point holds absolutely no weight whatsoever. If he were managing the same set of players maybe, but he wouldn’t be. That whole never go back thing feels like a lazy pundits answer because ultimately it’s hollow and meaningless.
Bring him home!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there are as many successes as failures then my point holds as much weight as the counter argument
You are basically saying there's a 50/50 chance this could be successful.
I love Poch. Do not get me wrong. He took me to a UCL final. I will have few greater footballing memories than that weekend in madrid!
But the man has achieved next to zero in the last 6 years. There's no real evidence he should get the job on merit.
It's more nostalgia, which is compelling, but that makes it more of a 75% heart decision and 25% brain/football decision.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
50/50 is where any new incoming manager starts from. You can never be entirely sure about anyone. All I will say is that the one thing he'll be afforded more than any other manager is time, given the bond between himself and the fans. Then you factor in his ability to work with Levy. He's not going in blind and he's happy to work under a structure, whilst slightly different to the one he left, is still heavily controlled by the main man.
Then you have the make up of the squad he'd be inheriting. Fast, athletic, young. The perfect squad profile for a Poch team. It's all there for him.
The truth is that it's heart AND head. It makes sense on both levels.
I'm surprised you've fallen for the lazy trope about a lack of trophies like a lot of brainless Spurs fans. He took us closer than we've ever been to the truly top prizes and but for some bad luck in finals against very decent sides, he'd have won 2 or 3 for us. His two jobs after us were a circus and even at Chelsea, things were turning around before he was sacked. By all accounts, he didn't want to sell Gallagher and that's what contributed to the bitter feelings between himself and Boehly. For all Levy's faults, as you're very quick to support, the one thing that will never happen to us is the need to sell young talent to offset stupidity in the market. The only thing Poch is guilty of is not choosing the right owner/club before signing a contract. His abilities as a coach are still there.
This can only be the 'shiny new toy' syndrome. It's why fans don't really like signing players that used to play for us too. It's the excitement of the new. I get all that but if there's one candidate that ticks more boxes than any other, does it matter if he's been here before? Even if you put aside the emotional attachment, he's still the best profile of manager - someone with big club experience who's been there and done it and knows exactly what it takes to make it work for a club like Spurs.
The issue with the likes of Iraola or, to a lesser extent, Frank, is that they just become flavour of the month. By all accounts, Iraola's style of play isn't too dissimilar to Ange's. If he gets in Europe, that rabid intensity won't be achievable game by game. With Frank, I get the impression that he's a great manager at a certain level but I'm just not sure he has the gravitas for a big job. Outside of that, sure there are the likes of Inzaghi, who's been spoken about but these are huge, huge gambles. I'm not willing to roll the dice anymore.
Poch is the one man who's a big name, knows the club, fits the profile of the squad, understand the owner. It's the right choice on every possible level.
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posted on 14/3/25
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posted on 14/3/25
never go back
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
never go back
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There are as many examples of successes as there are failures when managers retread the same ground meaning your point holds absolutely no weight whatsoever. If he were managing the same set of players maybe, but he wouldn’t be. That whole never go back thing feels like a lazy pundits answer because ultimately it’s hollow and meaningless.
Bring him home!
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
never go back
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Why not? We’ve gone back to the bottom half of the table and competing in Europe’s second teir competition and you seem fine with that.
Personally I prefer finishing 3rd/4th in the league every season and playing in the Champions League.
posted on 14/3/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
never go back
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There are as many examples of successes as there are failures when managers retread the same ground meaning your point holds absolutely no weight whatsoever. If he were managing the same set of players maybe, but he wouldn’t be. That whole never go back thing feels like a lazy pundits answer because ultimately it’s hollow and meaningless.
Bring him home!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 14/3/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
never go back
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There are as many examples of successes as there are failures when managers retread the same ground meaning your point holds absolutely no weight whatsoever. If he were managing the same set of players maybe, but he wouldn’t be. That whole never go back thing feels like a lazy pundits answer because ultimately it’s hollow and meaningless.
Bring him home!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there are as many successes as failures then my point holds as much weight as the counter argument
You are basically saying there's a 50/50 chance this could be successful.
I love Poch. Do not get me wrong. He took me to a UCL final. I will have few greater footballing memories than that weekend in madrid!
But the man has achieved next to zero in the last 6 years. There's no real evidence he should get the job on merit.
It's more nostalgia, which is compelling, but that makes it more of a 75% heart decision and 25% brain/football decision.
posted on 14/3/25
Poch would be in the mix if he's available. I'd like to see how he would do with the new stadium now fixed and the sort of money Ange has been given.
Would not be my first choice though over Iraola and I would have some doubts that he'd come back to us with the same levels of ambition he had when he first came. It felt like a good step for him to go from Southampton to Spurs before. It's a bit different now in this stage of his career.
posted on 14/3/25
A good manager that loves the club, plays great football and desperately wants to manage spurs
Also the only manager to make us challengers under enic entertainment inc’s restrictions on football success
Makes far too much sense for our incompetent leader
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
never go back
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Why not? We’ve gone back to the bottom half of the table and competing in Europe’s second teir competition and you seem fine with that.
Personally I prefer finishing 3rd/4th in the league every season and playing in the Champions League.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were 14th hen he was sacked. So you endorse his sacking?
posted on 14/3/25
Plus this squad would suit him to the ground. It’s perfect for him.
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
Poch would be in the mix if he's available. I'd like to see how he would do with the new stadium now fixed and the sort of money Ange has been given.
Would not be my first choice though over Iraola and I would have some doubts that he'd come back to us with the same levels of ambition he had when he first came. It felt like a good step for him to go from Southampton to Spurs before. It's a bit different now in this stage of his career.
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I disagree with this. I think the disgraceful way he was dumped in favour of mourhino heading an Amazon documentary, plus the fact he genuinely loves the club, might see him even more determined
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
never go back
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Why not? We’ve gone back to the bottom half of the table and competing in Europe’s second teir competition and you seem fine with that.
Personally I prefer finishing 3rd/4th in the league every season and playing in the Champions League.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were 14th hen he was sacked. So you endorse his sacking?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do you want a future of mid table mediocrity and no European football?
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Mack follows change for Tottenham on X (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
Poch would be in the mix if he's available. I'd like to see how he would do with the new stadium now fixed and the sort of money Ange has been given.
Would not be my first choice though over Iraola and I would have some doubts that he'd come back to us with the same levels of ambition he had when he first came. It felt like a good step for him to go from Southampton to Spurs before. It's a bit different now in this stage of his career.
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I disagree with this. I think the disgraceful way he was dumped in favour of mourhino heading an Amazon documentary, plus the fact he genuinely loves the club, might see him even more determined
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Since he was with us he's been at a couple of big clubs with varying degrees of success. I wouldn't be naive enough to think that won't have changed him at all but maybe he is still the same guy and I'd still have him back. He did better at Chelsea last season than Ange did with us last season IMO so I have no doubt we'd be doing better with him this season.
posted on 14/3/25
Chelsea finished below us in the league and Spurtle thinks he did a better job 😂. Clueless.
The Poch diciples are weird as funk.
As for Poch being interviewed a few hours before we play a big game and telling the world he is still begging for his old job back. Cringe as funk.
If I was an employer, I would stay well clear.
Over to you the Poch diciples to defend their lord.....
posted on 14/3/25
Poch failure at Spurs, zero trophies.
Spurtle "Poch was a success, success can be measured in different forms. Failure is success in Poch world."
posted on 14/3/25
3 one stars
The dream is a nightmare I guess
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
never go back
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Why not? We’ve gone back to the bottom half of the table and competing in Europe’s second teir competition and you seem fine with that.
Personally I prefer finishing 3rd/4th in the league every season and playing in the Champions League.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were 14th hen he was sacked. So you endorse his sacking?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do you want a future of mid table mediocrity and no European football?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where have i said that's what i want?
And is Poch the only option to offer that?
posted on 14/3/25
"that" being Europe and higher finishes.
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
never go back
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Why not? We’ve gone back to the bottom half of the table and competing in Europe’s second teir competition and you seem fine with that.
Personally I prefer finishing 3rd/4th in the league every season and playing in the Champions League.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were 14th hen he was sacked. So you endorse his sacking?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do you want a future of mid table mediocrity and no European football?
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Where have i said that's what i want?
And is Poch the only option to offer that?
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The best option.
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 44 minutes ago
Poch failure at Spurs, zero trophies.
Spurtle "Poch was a success, success can be measured in different forms. Failure is success in Poch world."
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Failure is what we’re experiencing NOW.
posted on 14/3/25
If football was this simple and things worked as they should we will all do the Pools and be millionaires.
I love Poch and wont be averse to see him returning. However, its folly to think as he was "successful" in his previous stint he will be able to replicate the same now or go even better.
The game has moved on and the EPL is much more competitive. The so called lesser teams scout really well and most are able to compete with the bigger teams.
A clamour on here for the next flavour of the month manager has failed to work in the past 6 years which tells me our issues lie much deeper!
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 44 minutes ago
Poch failure at Spurs, zero trophies.
Spurtle "Poch was a success, success can be measured in different forms. Failure is success in Poch world."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Failure is what we’re experiencing NOW.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what did Spurs win under Pochettino in five and a half seasons?
20 Tournaments entered = zero wins.
I think we have done that gig.
posted on 14/3/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 44 minutes ago
Poch failure at Spurs, zero trophies.
Spurtle "Poch was a success, success can be measured in different forms. Failure is success in Poch world."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Failure is what we’re experiencing NOW.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what did Spurs win under Pochettino in five and a half seasons?
20 Tournaments entered = zero wins.
I think we have done that gig.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And now we’re not even competing.
#BringHimHome
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 9 minutes ago
If football was this simple and things worked as they should we will all do the Pools and be millionaires.
I love Poch and wont be averse to see him returning. However, its folly to think as he was "successful" in his previous stint he will be able to replicate the same now or go even better.
The game has moved on and the EPL is much more competitive. The so called lesser teams scout really well and most are able to compete with the bigger teams.
A clamour on here for the next flavour of the month manager has failed to work in the past 6 years which tells me our issues lie much deeper!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The enforcement of PSR is also changing the game.
Teams are far less able to compile massive squads, stock piling talent.
This has opened up the market for other clubs to scout and purchase well.
I also think the game has an ever increasing physical element to it. Tippy tappy is being countered by physical athletic pacey opposition who can over power, who can go more direct, who have technical quality (not just Dyche style hoofball to the big man) and hurt even the best teams.
In the end of Poch's reign, we really struggled to break teams down. They sat back defended in numbers and limited our options. The same sorts of teams now also possess much more potent technical attacking options and teams like Forest typify this defensive organised quality matched with powerful attacking options. We seem to be seeing a lot more teams with 65% possession, struggling to make good chances and losing.
SO i think you are totally correct It is far more competitive now, and more than ever teams in the top 12-14 can give the bigger teams a serious game
posted on 14/3/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
never go back
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There are as many examples of successes as there are failures when managers retread the same ground meaning your point holds absolutely no weight whatsoever. If he were managing the same set of players maybe, but he wouldn’t be. That whole never go back thing feels like a lazy pundits answer because ultimately it’s hollow and meaningless.
Bring him home!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there are as many successes as failures then my point holds as much weight as the counter argument
You are basically saying there's a 50/50 chance this could be successful.
I love Poch. Do not get me wrong. He took me to a UCL final. I will have few greater footballing memories than that weekend in madrid!
But the man has achieved next to zero in the last 6 years. There's no real evidence he should get the job on merit.
It's more nostalgia, which is compelling, but that makes it more of a 75% heart decision and 25% brain/football decision.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
50/50 is where any new incoming manager starts from. You can never be entirely sure about anyone. All I will say is that the one thing he'll be afforded more than any other manager is time, given the bond between himself and the fans. Then you factor in his ability to work with Levy. He's not going in blind and he's happy to work under a structure, whilst slightly different to the one he left, is still heavily controlled by the main man.
Then you have the make up of the squad he'd be inheriting. Fast, athletic, young. The perfect squad profile for a Poch team. It's all there for him.
The truth is that it's heart AND head. It makes sense on both levels.
I'm surprised you've fallen for the lazy trope about a lack of trophies like a lot of brainless Spurs fans. He took us closer than we've ever been to the truly top prizes and but for some bad luck in finals against very decent sides, he'd have won 2 or 3 for us. His two jobs after us were a circus and even at Chelsea, things were turning around before he was sacked. By all accounts, he didn't want to sell Gallagher and that's what contributed to the bitter feelings between himself and Boehly. For all Levy's faults, as you're very quick to support, the one thing that will never happen to us is the need to sell young talent to offset stupidity in the market. The only thing Poch is guilty of is not choosing the right owner/club before signing a contract. His abilities as a coach are still there.
This can only be the 'shiny new toy' syndrome. It's why fans don't really like signing players that used to play for us too. It's the excitement of the new. I get all that but if there's one candidate that ticks more boxes than any other, does it matter if he's been here before? Even if you put aside the emotional attachment, he's still the best profile of manager - someone with big club experience who's been there and done it and knows exactly what it takes to make it work for a club like Spurs.
The issue with the likes of Iraola or, to a lesser extent, Frank, is that they just become flavour of the month. By all accounts, Iraola's style of play isn't too dissimilar to Ange's. If he gets in Europe, that rabid intensity won't be achievable game by game. With Frank, I get the impression that he's a great manager at a certain level but I'm just not sure he has the gravitas for a big job. Outside of that, sure there are the likes of Inzaghi, who's been spoken about but these are huge, huge gambles. I'm not willing to roll the dice anymore.
Poch is the one man who's a big name, knows the club, fits the profile of the squad, understand the owner. It's the right choice on every possible level.
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