Realise it was needs must but does Ange not then get some credit for blooding Gray in the PL at CB where he could largely play the game in front of him? Midfield at Anfield going for the trophy was going to be a big challenge made harder by fielding a weakened team in support. Does anyone think the score would have been much different fielding the full first string? Harsh on GRay but he'll be fine.
I wonder if Scott Parker would take him on loan next season at Burnley and play him at CM week in and week out - would really help his development whilst not being at our expense.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
Realise it was needs must but does Ange not then get some credit for blooding Gray in the PL at CB where he could largely play the game in front of him? Midfield at Anfield going for the trophy was going to be a big challenge made harder by fielding a weakened team in support. Does anyone think the score would have been much different fielding the full first string? Harsh on GRay but he'll be fine.
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We were always on a hiding to nothing yesterday. We fall apart at Anfield at the best of times, no way were we going to do anything with two teenagers in midfield and a squad all focused on Thursdays game. Add in that we have a schitt manager and have been terrible all season - I was fairly happy it was only 5-1
All three midfielders were poor yesturday. Maddison deserved to get hooked as well. How does he aways escape criticism?
I've not seen enough from Gray to buy the hype he's some big talent.
Looks like what he is, a decent young player that's struggling in a poor team.
Gray is nowhere ready for Spurs midfield. He did fine when he came in as a makeshift CB, but suspect his season is done now. I think he will probably go out on loan next season.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 49 minutes ago
Realise it was needs must but does Ange not then get some credit for blooding Gray in the PL at CB where he could largely play the game in front of him? Midfield at Anfield going for the trophy was going to be a big challenge made harder by fielding a weakened team in support. Does anyone think the score would have been much different fielding the full first string? Harsh on GRay but he'll be fine.
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Probably still lost, but maybe by the odd goal.
Liverpool have scored 15 times in three games against a Spurs defence where neither Micky or Romero have started, even some of the better full backs or goalie didn't start in a couple either. Spurs best back four would have definitely kept Liverpool at bay better. Yesterday was exactly what has happened time and time again, not just this season, but for as long as I can remember when squad players start en masse. Always a defeat, usually heavy. How Davies is still at the club is astonishing.
One of the best things you've ever written Ted and i agree with almost all of it
Hard to see what position suits Archie Gray best at this stage. Seems a bit lightweight for 6,but that said much of our team are not physically strong enough.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 25 minutes ago
I've not seen enough from Gray to buy the hype he's some big talent.
Looks like what he is, a decent young player that's struggling in a poor team.
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His technique and reading of the game in the defensive position are very good for his age. His foot speed is fantastic and his balance is amazing.
I think he will be a slow burner rather than an amazing player out of the blocks. But he has that Gareth Barry, Jordan Henderson, James Milner vibe about him - a technically very good footballer who will be able to play in multiple positions with a consistent level of performance.
We just need to be patient and a Prem loan somewhere like Burnley next season could be ideal
Don't think we should loan him.
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
All three midfielders were poor yesturday. Maddison deserved to get hooked as well. How does he aways escape criticism?
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Maddison gets tons of criticism, but he does have over 20 G/A so he at least produces decent numbers even if he isn't playing great
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
All three midfielders were poor yesturday. Maddison deserved to get hooked as well. How does he aways escape criticism?
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Maddison gets tons of criticism, but he does have over 20 G/A so he at least produces decent numbers even if he isn't playing great
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Didn't see any criticism yday. It was all about Gray.
We move.
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
All three midfielders were poor yesturday. Maddison deserved to get hooked as well. How does he aways escape criticism?
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Maddison gets tons of criticism, but he does have over 20 G/A so he at least produces decent numbers even if he isn't playing great
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Didn't see any criticism yday. It was all about Gray.
We move.
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Gray cost us goals.
Maddison was unable, largely on his own, to create anything in the final third.
What was very noticeable to me was that Liverpool have options to play the ball which they all seem in tune with. Whether its short passes from the back, long balls between the lines or more direct balls down the line or over the top, there is joined up thinking. It helps that a good few of them having been playing together for years, even just a hoof down their right channel is always going to be an effective out ball, but they are all switched on to these range of options.
Spurs, by contrast, look like they were making it up as they go along. Patterns of play almost entirely absent. Yes the team was changed and some like Odobert and Tel and Gray have rarely played together, so smooth understanding of each other is not going be ingrained at all. It was all very disjointed, and this is one of my major criticisms of Ange, we haven't developed a range of approaches that can be used during a game. Long balls seem aimless, movement is reactive, third player runs also not happening naturally.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
Don't think we should loan him.
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If we don’t then he isn’t going to get time at CM. We will buy Cardoso in the summer and Bentancur will likely get a new contract. He can’t get time there this season when we have loads of injuries and been shiete - he is not going to get time next season.
So then do you let him try to develop in other areas? If so where? We have much more CB cover now and with Spence showing what he can do Gray is now 4th choice full back.
Keeping him on the bench for large chunks seems foolish to me. If Burnley offered a loan I would snap their hands off - Scott Parker is ex Tottenham and there is trust there, plus he knows the position well. For me that would be a great outcome next season
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
Don't think we should loan him.
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If we don’t then he isn’t going to get time at CM. We will buy Cardoso in the summer and Bentancur will likely get a new contract. He can’t get time there this season when we have loads of injuries and been shiete - he is not going to get time next season.
So then do you let him try to develop in other areas? If so where? We have much more CB cover now and with Spence showing what he can do Gray is now 4th choice full back.
Keeping him on the bench for large chunks seems foolish to me. If Burnley offered a loan I would snap their hands off - Scott Parker is ex Tottenham and there is trust there, plus he knows the position well. For me that would be a great outcome next season
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Will you be saying that if Burnley are comfortably above Spurs next season? He joined mainly cos of Ange so if he's off just sell the lad to a club interested in developing him. £25-30m, is still a decent wedge to pay yet not play even for the largesse that is the EPL.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
Don't think we should loan him.
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If we don’t then he isn’t going to get time at CM. We will buy Cardoso in the summer and Bentancur will likely get a new contract. He can’t get time there this season when we have loads of injuries and been shiete - he is not going to get time next season.
So then do you let him try to develop in other areas? If so where? We have much more CB cover now and with Spence showing what he can do Gray is now 4th choice full back.
Keeping him on the bench for large chunks seems foolish to me. If Burnley offered a loan I would snap their hands off - Scott Parker is ex Tottenham and there is trust there, plus he knows the position well. For me that would be a great outcome next season
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Will you be saying that if Burnley are comfortably above Spurs next season? He joined mainly cos of Ange so if he's off just sell the lad to a club interested in developing him. £25-30m, is still a decent wedge to pay yet not play even for the largesse that is the EPL.
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I think given the chance to develop he will become a top player, I don’t think he gets that opportunity at Spurs next season.
We would be mad to sell though - why not loan him out, let another club develop him and we can reap the reward later.
If Burnley finish above us (assuming they don’t do a Leicester) then we have far bigger things to worry about
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
Don't think we should loan him.
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If we don’t then he isn’t going to get time at CM. We will buy Cardoso in the summer and Bentancur will likely get a new contract. He can’t get time there this season when we have loads of injuries and been shiete - he is not going to get time next season.
So then do you let him try to develop in other areas? If so where? We have much more CB cover now and with Spence showing what he can do Gray is now 4th choice full back.
Keeping him on the bench for large chunks seems foolish to me. If Burnley offered a loan I would snap their hands off - Scott Parker is ex Tottenham and there is trust there, plus he knows the position well. For me that would be a great outcome next season
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Gray has been given little time in CM and that was also the case at Leeds where he was again a utility player.
Best place for him to learn is with the players who he will be next to for years to come, even if that is the occasional start and frequent sub appearances.
Not sure getting time at a struggling promoted side, destined to go straight back down is what he needs.
I don't get any of this singling out of individual players.
This season we have seen almost every single player on their day. Gray was doing alright up until the senior players began coming back in. They are all capable.
The team is a collective. Mob mentality if you will.
Until we see the exact same players under new leadership - you can't even call them being under leadership with Postecoglou - then we won't know what they're all capable of, together, as a whole unit. Surely there's managers and coaching staff that will get best out of west we have. They all show potential.
What we lack is any leadership on the pitch. Someone to get the squad's adrenaline pumped. Fack all the lifting up your hands to the fans to make some noise, someone needs to do that to the players on field.
Then again, regarding the fans...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DItwHVdN62g/
It’s treatment like this to our young stars that highlight the continuing harm no sacking Ange is doing to our club.
Archie’s confidence must be shot to bits after that treatment.
I thought it was a wacky decision but one to become expected of our waste of space manager.
Gray played at right back (for leeds) and centre back for us. Yes he wants to play as a midfielder but is away at Anfield in our typical playground tactical, no formation led team the way to try him?
Completely unfair on Gray and again a let down of how to utilise young players continuing the theme.
Moore being misused, hall not being allowed near the first team with ange in charge, hardy being pulled out of youth engagements to sit on the bench but no intention of using him.
comment by Mack follows change for Tottenham (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’s treatment like this to our young stars that highlight the continuing harm no sacking Ange is doing to our club.
Archie’s confidence must be shot to bits after that treatment.
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Lol what a clown opinion.
Had Gray not played the narrative would be, Ange has destroyed his career. Especially from mack the plank.
I'm glad he picked him. Imagine playing at Anfield at 19 years of age. Fair enough he didn't have a good game and got subbed. But at least Gray will have learned a hell of alot. More than he would from sitting on the bench.
The scary thing is Mack actually coaches kids and this is how he thinks? Nut job.
Gray once played CM for Leeds away at the Bridge and boss their two £100m signings. Look up the highlights.
Oh look LLM is here contradicting himself. Has a dig at Ange for giving Gray a chance and then saying the opposite for Moore.
Toxic posters Z z z
comment by Mack follows change for Tottenham (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
It’s treatment like this to our young stars that highlight the continuing harm no sacking Ange is doing to our club.
Archie’s confidence must be shot to bits after that treatment.
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After what treatment?
I'm sure he's no snow flake. It was a reminder to him how far he needs to go . It is a learning exercise and all our kids have been thrown in at the deep end at times this season, but that's how you learn.
Bringing kids on in "safe" moments of games when it comfortable teaches next to nothing. Bergvall has flourished by being thrown in but looked poor at the start and has also been hooked at HT, at least once.
Gray has received good plaudits this season as an emergency CB, its clear he now needs to learn how to hold a PL midfield. I am sure the management team are encouraging him and helping him learn frm the experience....you talk as if Ange has gone into the dressing room and balled him out and blamed him for the loss.
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
I thought it was a wacky decision but one to become expected of our waste of space manager.
Gray played at right back (for leeds) and centre back for us. Yes he wants to play as a midfielder but is away at Anfield in our typical playground tactical, no formation led team the way to try him?
Completely unfair on Gray and again a let down of how to utilise young players continuing the theme.
Moore being misused, hall not being allowed near the first team with ange in charge, hardy being pulled out of youth engagements to sit on the bench but no intention of using him.
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Challenging the Moore point - I don't know whats gone on behind the scenes but I don't agree on him being mismanaged. 19 appearances (9 starts, 10 subs) totalling around 850 minutes of first team football.
Considering he missed almost 2 months with a virus (anyone know what that is??). I think its been an appropriate amount of minutes for a 16/17 year old to start.
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posted on 28/4/25
Realise it was needs must but does Ange not then get some credit for blooding Gray in the PL at CB where he could largely play the game in front of him? Midfield at Anfield going for the trophy was going to be a big challenge made harder by fielding a weakened team in support. Does anyone think the score would have been much different fielding the full first string? Harsh on GRay but he'll be fine.
posted on 28/4/25
I wonder if Scott Parker would take him on loan next season at Burnley and play him at CM week in and week out - would really help his development whilst not being at our expense.
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
Realise it was needs must but does Ange not then get some credit for blooding Gray in the PL at CB where he could largely play the game in front of him? Midfield at Anfield going for the trophy was going to be a big challenge made harder by fielding a weakened team in support. Does anyone think the score would have been much different fielding the full first string? Harsh on GRay but he'll be fine.
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We were always on a hiding to nothing yesterday. We fall apart at Anfield at the best of times, no way were we going to do anything with two teenagers in midfield and a squad all focused on Thursdays game. Add in that we have a schitt manager and have been terrible all season - I was fairly happy it was only 5-1
posted on 28/4/25
All three midfielders were poor yesturday. Maddison deserved to get hooked as well. How does he aways escape criticism?
posted on 28/4/25
I've not seen enough from Gray to buy the hype he's some big talent.
Looks like what he is, a decent young player that's struggling in a poor team.
posted on 28/4/25
Gray is nowhere ready for Spurs midfield. He did fine when he came in as a makeshift CB, but suspect his season is done now. I think he will probably go out on loan next season.
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 49 minutes ago
Realise it was needs must but does Ange not then get some credit for blooding Gray in the PL at CB where he could largely play the game in front of him? Midfield at Anfield going for the trophy was going to be a big challenge made harder by fielding a weakened team in support. Does anyone think the score would have been much different fielding the full first string? Harsh on GRay but he'll be fine.
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Probably still lost, but maybe by the odd goal.
Liverpool have scored 15 times in three games against a Spurs defence where neither Micky or Romero have started, even some of the better full backs or goalie didn't start in a couple either. Spurs best back four would have definitely kept Liverpool at bay better. Yesterday was exactly what has happened time and time again, not just this season, but for as long as I can remember when squad players start en masse. Always a defeat, usually heavy. How Davies is still at the club is astonishing.
posted on 28/4/25
One of the best things you've ever written Ted and i agree with almost all of it
Hard to see what position suits Archie Gray best at this stage. Seems a bit lightweight for 6,but that said much of our team are not physically strong enough.
posted on 28/4/25
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 25 minutes ago
I've not seen enough from Gray to buy the hype he's some big talent.
Looks like what he is, a decent young player that's struggling in a poor team.
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His technique and reading of the game in the defensive position are very good for his age. His foot speed is fantastic and his balance is amazing.
I think he will be a slow burner rather than an amazing player out of the blocks. But he has that Gareth Barry, Jordan Henderson, James Milner vibe about him - a technically very good footballer who will be able to play in multiple positions with a consistent level of performance.
We just need to be patient and a Prem loan somewhere like Burnley next season could be ideal
posted on 28/4/25
Don't think we should loan him.
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
All three midfielders were poor yesturday. Maddison deserved to get hooked as well. How does he aways escape criticism?
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Maddison gets tons of criticism, but he does have over 20 G/A so he at least produces decent numbers even if he isn't playing great
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
All three midfielders were poor yesturday. Maddison deserved to get hooked as well. How does he aways escape criticism?
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Maddison gets tons of criticism, but he does have over 20 G/A so he at least produces decent numbers even if he isn't playing great
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Didn't see any criticism yday. It was all about Gray.
We move.
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
All three midfielders were poor yesturday. Maddison deserved to get hooked as well. How does he aways escape criticism?
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Maddison gets tons of criticism, but he does have over 20 G/A so he at least produces decent numbers even if he isn't playing great
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Didn't see any criticism yday. It was all about Gray.
We move.
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Gray cost us goals.
Maddison was unable, largely on his own, to create anything in the final third.
What was very noticeable to me was that Liverpool have options to play the ball which they all seem in tune with. Whether its short passes from the back, long balls between the lines or more direct balls down the line or over the top, there is joined up thinking. It helps that a good few of them having been playing together for years, even just a hoof down their right channel is always going to be an effective out ball, but they are all switched on to these range of options.
Spurs, by contrast, look like they were making it up as they go along. Patterns of play almost entirely absent. Yes the team was changed and some like Odobert and Tel and Gray have rarely played together, so smooth understanding of each other is not going be ingrained at all. It was all very disjointed, and this is one of my major criticisms of Ange, we haven't developed a range of approaches that can be used during a game. Long balls seem aimless, movement is reactive, third player runs also not happening naturally.
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
Don't think we should loan him.
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If we don’t then he isn’t going to get time at CM. We will buy Cardoso in the summer and Bentancur will likely get a new contract. He can’t get time there this season when we have loads of injuries and been shiete - he is not going to get time next season.
So then do you let him try to develop in other areas? If so where? We have much more CB cover now and with Spence showing what he can do Gray is now 4th choice full back.
Keeping him on the bench for large chunks seems foolish to me. If Burnley offered a loan I would snap their hands off - Scott Parker is ex Tottenham and there is trust there, plus he knows the position well. For me that would be a great outcome next season
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
Don't think we should loan him.
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If we don’t then he isn’t going to get time at CM. We will buy Cardoso in the summer and Bentancur will likely get a new contract. He can’t get time there this season when we have loads of injuries and been shiete - he is not going to get time next season.
So then do you let him try to develop in other areas? If so where? We have much more CB cover now and with Spence showing what he can do Gray is now 4th choice full back.
Keeping him on the bench for large chunks seems foolish to me. If Burnley offered a loan I would snap their hands off - Scott Parker is ex Tottenham and there is trust there, plus he knows the position well. For me that would be a great outcome next season
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Will you be saying that if Burnley are comfortably above Spurs next season? He joined mainly cos of Ange so if he's off just sell the lad to a club interested in developing him. £25-30m, is still a decent wedge to pay yet not play even for the largesse that is the EPL.
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
Don't think we should loan him.
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If we don’t then he isn’t going to get time at CM. We will buy Cardoso in the summer and Bentancur will likely get a new contract. He can’t get time there this season when we have loads of injuries and been shiete - he is not going to get time next season.
So then do you let him try to develop in other areas? If so where? We have much more CB cover now and with Spence showing what he can do Gray is now 4th choice full back.
Keeping him on the bench for large chunks seems foolish to me. If Burnley offered a loan I would snap their hands off - Scott Parker is ex Tottenham and there is trust there, plus he knows the position well. For me that would be a great outcome next season
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Will you be saying that if Burnley are comfortably above Spurs next season? He joined mainly cos of Ange so if he's off just sell the lad to a club interested in developing him. £25-30m, is still a decent wedge to pay yet not play even for the largesse that is the EPL.
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I think given the chance to develop he will become a top player, I don’t think he gets that opportunity at Spurs next season.
We would be mad to sell though - why not loan him out, let another club develop him and we can reap the reward later.
If Burnley finish above us (assuming they don’t do a Leicester) then we have far bigger things to worry about
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
Don't think we should loan him.
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If we don’t then he isn’t going to get time at CM. We will buy Cardoso in the summer and Bentancur will likely get a new contract. He can’t get time there this season when we have loads of injuries and been shiete - he is not going to get time next season.
So then do you let him try to develop in other areas? If so where? We have much more CB cover now and with Spence showing what he can do Gray is now 4th choice full back.
Keeping him on the bench for large chunks seems foolish to me. If Burnley offered a loan I would snap their hands off - Scott Parker is ex Tottenham and there is trust there, plus he knows the position well. For me that would be a great outcome next season
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Gray has been given little time in CM and that was also the case at Leeds where he was again a utility player.
Best place for him to learn is with the players who he will be next to for years to come, even if that is the occasional start and frequent sub appearances.
Not sure getting time at a struggling promoted side, destined to go straight back down is what he needs.
posted on 28/4/25
I don't get any of this singling out of individual players.
This season we have seen almost every single player on their day. Gray was doing alright up until the senior players began coming back in. They are all capable.
The team is a collective. Mob mentality if you will.
Until we see the exact same players under new leadership - you can't even call them being under leadership with Postecoglou - then we won't know what they're all capable of, together, as a whole unit. Surely there's managers and coaching staff that will get best out of west we have. They all show potential.
What we lack is any leadership on the pitch. Someone to get the squad's adrenaline pumped. Fack all the lifting up your hands to the fans to make some noise, someone needs to do that to the players on field.
Then again, regarding the fans...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DItwHVdN62g/
posted on 28/4/25
It’s treatment like this to our young stars that highlight the continuing harm no sacking Ange is doing to our club.
Archie’s confidence must be shot to bits after that treatment.
posted on 28/4/25
I thought it was a wacky decision but one to become expected of our waste of space manager.
Gray played at right back (for leeds) and centre back for us. Yes he wants to play as a midfielder but is away at Anfield in our typical playground tactical, no formation led team the way to try him?
Completely unfair on Gray and again a let down of how to utilise young players continuing the theme.
Moore being misused, hall not being allowed near the first team with ange in charge, hardy being pulled out of youth engagements to sit on the bench but no intention of using him.
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Mack follows change for Tottenham (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
It’s treatment like this to our young stars that highlight the continuing harm no sacking Ange is doing to our club.
Archie’s confidence must be shot to bits after that treatment.
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Lol what a clown opinion.
Had Gray not played the narrative would be, Ange has destroyed his career. Especially from mack the plank.
I'm glad he picked him. Imagine playing at Anfield at 19 years of age. Fair enough he didn't have a good game and got subbed. But at least Gray will have learned a hell of alot. More than he would from sitting on the bench.
The scary thing is Mack actually coaches kids and this is how he thinks? Nut job.
posted on 28/4/25
Gray once played CM for Leeds away at the Bridge and boss their two £100m signings. Look up the highlights.
posted on 28/4/25
Oh look LLM is here contradicting himself. Has a dig at Ange for giving Gray a chance and then saying the opposite for Moore.
Toxic posters Z z z
posted on 28/4/25
comment by Mack follows change for Tottenham (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
It’s treatment like this to our young stars that highlight the continuing harm no sacking Ange is doing to our club.
Archie’s confidence must be shot to bits after that treatment.
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After what treatment?
I'm sure he's no snow flake. It was a reminder to him how far he needs to go . It is a learning exercise and all our kids have been thrown in at the deep end at times this season, but that's how you learn.
Bringing kids on in "safe" moments of games when it comfortable teaches next to nothing. Bergvall has flourished by being thrown in but looked poor at the start and has also been hooked at HT, at least once.
Gray has received good plaudits this season as an emergency CB, its clear he now needs to learn how to hold a PL midfield. I am sure the management team are encouraging him and helping him learn frm the experience....you talk as if Ange has gone into the dressing room and balled him out and blamed him for the loss.
posted on 28/4/25
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
I thought it was a wacky decision but one to become expected of our waste of space manager.
Gray played at right back (for leeds) and centre back for us. Yes he wants to play as a midfielder but is away at Anfield in our typical playground tactical, no formation led team the way to try him?
Completely unfair on Gray and again a let down of how to utilise young players continuing the theme.
Moore being misused, hall not being allowed near the first team with ange in charge, hardy being pulled out of youth engagements to sit on the bench but no intention of using him.
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Challenging the Moore point - I don't know whats gone on behind the scenes but I don't agree on him being mismanaged. 19 appearances (9 starts, 10 subs) totalling around 850 minutes of first team football.
Considering he missed almost 2 months with a virus (anyone know what that is??). I think its been an appropriate amount of minutes for a 16/17 year old to start.
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