comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 45 seconds ago
If you're not contributing National insurance your vote should count 0.5.
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Stay at home parents are worthless, eh?
Can we please stop using anecdotes and individual examples of how one old person hasn't lost their mind?
You, yourself should not be allowed to vote unless you can see the bigger picture and wider statistics, and not look at anecdotal evidence. It makes you stupid.
No offence. Apart from the stupid part.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
You say economics but what people are actually interested in is cost of living.
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I don’t even know how to respond to this.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm aware there's a tongue in cheek element to the OP, but as a thought experiment, I suppose there's a careful-what-you-wish-for dimension. If a particular demographic is over-represented in elections, then outcomes will be likely to favour them. Decimate the voting power of the boomers and you'd start to see younger cohorts flexing their political muscles. Would that be a healthy rebalancing? Or if e.g. 35-50 year olds suddenly hold the balance of power, will this change their political sentiments? Would younger voters become more conservative and authoritarian in a world where they have reset the status quo? That's without mentioning the rapid growth in support for far right politics among teenage/young adult males.
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The far right leaning of teenagers is something I nearly mentioned earlier when I said that 21 is a more realistic minimum voting age. Give these kids time to actually see some of the real world before giving them the power.
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Only 9% of 16-24yo voted Reform as opposed to boomers at 16%.
Give these grandparents some time to see the real world
comment by フレッド - #TWENTYTIMES (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by フレッド - #TWENTYTIMES (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 51 seconds ago
This is the second time you’ve responded with a non sequitur, I never mentioner global warming.
Are you 75 years old, with cognitive decline, as you’re exhibiting the same symptoms?
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75. No.
Cognitive decline. Maybe.
What are most elections fought on, in your opinion?
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Economics, it’s always economics.
But they aren’t always framed that way, as more often than not you will have parties convince people to vote against their own economics based on culture wars.
As it as ever was.
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You say economics but what people are actually interested in is cost of living.
That impacts all of us, including pensions, many of whom are on a fixed income and have spent their entire life paying taxes.
Fortunately, there's far too much common sense in the world for this sort of ageist policy to become a reality, but it's a pretty depraved positon to take.
In the mind of Robbing, the last general election that David Attenborough could have voted in was in 1987.
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I can see you’re having to make things up to reinforce an already weak point and I enjoy that.
Your first line is embarrassing, not sure this is the thread for you.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 45 seconds ago
If you're not contributing National insurance your vote should count 0.5.
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Stay at home parents are worthless, eh?
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poor punctuation, remove the comma and everything after and replace with an exclamation mark.
comment by Emile Matthew Yaw Nyamedom Acquah (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
Generally speaking, those of the age that are functioning in and contributing to society should have the most say. 16-65 for example.
Over 65s currently have too much say in a society they are barely living in or contributing to.
It's why they made the winter fuel allowance such a big thing, because there is fack all else for old people to be concerned about or are involved with.
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It makes headlines, but I know a number of folk who don't need the fuel allowance. But you tend to only hear about folk who complain rather than those that say, nah, that's fine.
Generally speaking, the media does really affect how things are perceived in the world, and it's in their own interest to do so and sensationalise any news items, or focus on head grabbing issues rather than the real ones.
It's far too simplistic to focus on age and discriminate against the younger / or older generation. Life is complicated, voting about it should be difficult in terms of giving issues real though, but we just want to try and simplify everything into soundbites
Robbing, I take it back about Boris Johnson, the question should be:
Out these two issues, which are you more concerned about economics or the cost of living?
If people can’t answer they’re the same thing then off to the gulag.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 seconds ago
Robbing, I take it back about Boris Johnson, the question should be:
Out these two issues, which are you more concerned about economics or the cost of living?
If people can’t answer they’re the same thing then off to the gulag.
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There shouldn’t be a max voting age whilst the Government messes around with pensions and tries to kill the elderly off in the winter.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
You say economics but what people are actually interested in is cost of living.
———
I don’t even know how to respond to this.
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comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 56 seconds ago
There shouldn’t be a minimum voting age whilst the Government messes around with child poverty and tries to kill the young off all year round.
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agreed
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 29 seconds ago
There shouldn’t be a max voting age whilst the Government messes around with pensions and tries to kill the elderly off in the winter.
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They wanted to means test an allowance rather than give it to old people who already had money.
The principle behind that idea is sound.
But for party political reasons, they were forced into a u-turn. It didn't play well with the boomers who've already had the best of everything. You can guarantee by the time generation x get there it will be means tested if it exists at all.
The fuss about the WFP was insane.
Maximum age - Nah.
However the wiring age should be the exact same as the taxable age.
At 14 you can get a job, either up to the age of 18 you should t be taxed on earning or the voring age should be lowered.
If the government is taking your money you should have a vote.
Good news. It's only right that people in this age group can vote on something that can impact their immediate and long term future. Glad to see the rest of the UK catching up with Cymru and Scotland.
I have full sympathy with the younger generation wanting to have more of a say. And that's how it should be. They had so much taken away from them by Brexit, including being able to freely travel and work in Europe, something I took as a given, when I was in my twenties.
Older people should still be allowed to vote. We are not
all dyed in the wool Tory or Reform voters, as is commonly assumed. I am a lifelong Labour voter, but I Ithink I shall be tempted to vote for Corbyn's new party if Starmer doesn't do more over the genocide in Gaza.
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Nope, I mean it and has clearly set out why.
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Then by your reasoning we'd have to raise the minimum voting age to 25, which I believe is when the prefrontal cortex, used for decision making, is fully developed.
Sound fair?
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That has nothing to do with my reasoning. Odd comment.
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You're wanting to take the vote away from over 65s, citing a decline in cognitive ability, whilst supporting lowering the voting age to 16. Even though humans aren't fully developed when it comes to cognitive abilities around decision making until they are 25. It doesn't make sense.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm aware there's a tongue in cheek element to the OP, but as a thought experiment, I suppose there's a careful-what-you-wish-for dimension. If a particular demographic is over-represented in elections, then outcomes will be likely to favour them. Decimate the voting power of the boomers and you'd start to see younger cohorts flexing their political muscles. Would that be a healthy rebalancing? Or if e.g. 35-50 year olds suddenly hold the balance of power, will this change their political sentiments? Would younger voters become more conservative and authoritarian in a world where they have reset the status quo? That's without mentioning the rapid growth in support for far right politics among teenage/young adult males.
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The far right leaning of teenagers is something I nearly mentioned earlier when I said that 21 is a more realistic minimum voting age. Give these kids time to actually see some of the real world before giving them the power.
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Only 9% of 16-24yo voted Reform as opposed to boomers at 16%.
Give these grandparents some time to see the real world
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How is that possible when the voting age hasn't been lowered?
That would make sense if it’s the only reason I listed but in reality the difference in fluid cognitive ability between 16 and 25 pales to insignificance compared to the decrease in over 70’s and the advent of things such as Alzheimers.
Furthermore, my point was intertwined with the fact that teenagers are the future, while old people simply aren’t.
I’d also argue that over 65 ‘s have proven they can’t be trusted and have played an absolutely massive part in this country being put in the bin.
Let the youth try.
In Cymru all the polling suggests that the youngsters would vote for left leaning parties, in particular Plaid Cymru. I hope they do as well in next year's Senedd elections.
Imagine a world in which the rules and safeguards around assisted dying are being formulated in Parliament, there is increasing pressure on public services, health and social care as the ratio of people of working age to retirement age continues to shift, and over-65s no longer have the right to vote. There's a decent chance that a party would get seats in parliament on a platform of euthanasia for old people who cannot support themselves through their private investments.
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 37 seconds ago
That would make sense if it’s the only reason I listed but in reality the difference in fluid cognitive ability between 16 and 25 pales to insignificance compared to the decrease in over 70’s and the advent of things such as Alzheimers.
Furthermore, my point was intertwined with the fact that teenagers are the future, while old people simply aren’t.
I’d also argue that over 65 ‘s have proven they can’t be trusted and have played an absolutely massive part in this country being put in the bin.
Let the youth try.
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Bottom line here is the older generation don't vote how you want them to so they shouldn't be allowed to vote.
OK Adolf.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 29 seconds ago
There shouldn’t be a max voting age whilst the Government messes around with pensions and tries to kill the elderly off in the winter.
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They wanted to means test an allowance rather than give it to old people who already had money.
The principle behind that idea is sound.
But for party political reasons, they were forced into a u-turn. It didn't play well with the boomers who've already had the best of everything. You can guarantee by the time generation x get there it will be means tested if it exists at all.
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I've no issue making it needs based provided the administration costs are not an excessive % of the sum paid. However, if we are going to make it needs based then the colder parts of the country should be paid more.
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OT: Should there be a maximum voting age?
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posted on 17/7/25
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 45 seconds ago
If you're not contributing National insurance your vote should count 0.5.
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Stay at home parents are worthless, eh?
posted on 17/7/25
Can we please stop using anecdotes and individual examples of how one old person hasn't lost their mind?
You, yourself should not be allowed to vote unless you can see the bigger picture and wider statistics, and not look at anecdotal evidence. It makes you stupid.
No offence. Apart from the stupid part.
posted on 17/7/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
You say economics but what people are actually interested in is cost of living.
———
I don’t even know how to respond to this.
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posted on 17/7/25
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm aware there's a tongue in cheek element to the OP, but as a thought experiment, I suppose there's a careful-what-you-wish-for dimension. If a particular demographic is over-represented in elections, then outcomes will be likely to favour them. Decimate the voting power of the boomers and you'd start to see younger cohorts flexing their political muscles. Would that be a healthy rebalancing? Or if e.g. 35-50 year olds suddenly hold the balance of power, will this change their political sentiments? Would younger voters become more conservative and authoritarian in a world where they have reset the status quo? That's without mentioning the rapid growth in support for far right politics among teenage/young adult males.
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The far right leaning of teenagers is something I nearly mentioned earlier when I said that 21 is a more realistic minimum voting age. Give these kids time to actually see some of the real world before giving them the power.
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Only 9% of 16-24yo voted Reform as opposed to boomers at 16%.
Give these grandparents some time to see the real world
posted on 17/7/25
comment by フレッド - #TWENTYTIMES (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by フレッド - #TWENTYTIMES (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 51 seconds ago
This is the second time you’ve responded with a non sequitur, I never mentioner global warming.
Are you 75 years old, with cognitive decline, as you’re exhibiting the same symptoms?
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75. No.
Cognitive decline. Maybe.
What are most elections fought on, in your opinion?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Economics, it’s always economics.
But they aren’t always framed that way, as more often than not you will have parties convince people to vote against their own economics based on culture wars.
As it as ever was.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say economics but what people are actually interested in is cost of living.
That impacts all of us, including pensions, many of whom are on a fixed income and have spent their entire life paying taxes.
Fortunately, there's far too much common sense in the world for this sort of ageist policy to become a reality, but it's a pretty depraved positon to take.
In the mind of Robbing, the last general election that David Attenborough could have voted in was in 1987.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can see you’re having to make things up to reinforce an already weak point and I enjoy that.
Your first line is embarrassing, not sure this is the thread for you.
posted on 17/7/25
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 45 seconds ago
If you're not contributing National insurance your vote should count 0.5.
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Stay at home parents are worthless, eh?
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poor punctuation, remove the comma and everything after and replace with an exclamation mark.
posted on 17/7/25
comment by Emile Matthew Yaw Nyamedom Acquah (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
Generally speaking, those of the age that are functioning in and contributing to society should have the most say. 16-65 for example.
Over 65s currently have too much say in a society they are barely living in or contributing to.
It's why they made the winter fuel allowance such a big thing, because there is fack all else for old people to be concerned about or are involved with.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It makes headlines, but I know a number of folk who don't need the fuel allowance. But you tend to only hear about folk who complain rather than those that say, nah, that's fine.
Generally speaking, the media does really affect how things are perceived in the world, and it's in their own interest to do so and sensationalise any news items, or focus on head grabbing issues rather than the real ones.
It's far too simplistic to focus on age and discriminate against the younger / or older generation. Life is complicated, voting about it should be difficult in terms of giving issues real though, but we just want to try and simplify everything into soundbites
posted on 17/7/25
Robbing, I take it back about Boris Johnson, the question should be:
Out these two issues, which are you more concerned about economics or the cost of living?
If people can’t answer they’re the same thing then off to the gulag.
posted on 17/7/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 seconds ago
Robbing, I take it back about Boris Johnson, the question should be:
Out these two issues, which are you more concerned about economics or the cost of living?
If people can’t answer they’re the same thing then off to the gulag.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 17/7/25
There shouldn’t be a max voting age whilst the Government messes around with pensions and tries to kill the elderly off in the winter.
posted on 17/7/25
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
You say economics but what people are actually interested in is cost of living.
———
I don’t even know how to respond to this.
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posted on 17/7/25
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 56 seconds ago
There shouldn’t be a minimum voting age whilst the Government messes around with child poverty and tries to kill the young off all year round.
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agreed
posted on 17/7/25
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 29 seconds ago
There shouldn’t be a max voting age whilst the Government messes around with pensions and tries to kill the elderly off in the winter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They wanted to means test an allowance rather than give it to old people who already had money.
The principle behind that idea is sound.
But for party political reasons, they were forced into a u-turn. It didn't play well with the boomers who've already had the best of everything. You can guarantee by the time generation x get there it will be means tested if it exists at all.
posted on 17/7/25
The fuss about the WFP was insane.
posted on 17/7/25
Maximum age - Nah.
However the wiring age should be the exact same as the taxable age.
At 14 you can get a job, either up to the age of 18 you should t be taxed on earning or the voring age should be lowered.
If the government is taking your money you should have a vote.
posted on 17/7/25
Good news. It's only right that people in this age group can vote on something that can impact their immediate and long term future. Glad to see the rest of the UK catching up with Cymru and Scotland.
posted on 17/7/25
I have full sympathy with the younger generation wanting to have more of a say. And that's how it should be. They had so much taken away from them by Brexit, including being able to freely travel and work in Europe, something I took as a given, when I was in my twenties.
Older people should still be allowed to vote. We are not
all dyed in the wool Tory or Reform voters, as is commonly assumed. I am a lifelong Labour voter, but I Ithink I shall be tempted to vote for Corbyn's new party if Starmer doesn't do more over the genocide in Gaza.
posted on 17/7/25
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Nope, I mean it and has clearly set out why.
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Then by your reasoning we'd have to raise the minimum voting age to 25, which I believe is when the prefrontal cortex, used for decision making, is fully developed.
Sound fair?
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That has nothing to do with my reasoning. Odd comment.
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You're wanting to take the vote away from over 65s, citing a decline in cognitive ability, whilst supporting lowering the voting age to 16. Even though humans aren't fully developed when it comes to cognitive abilities around decision making until they are 25. It doesn't make sense.
posted on 17/7/25
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm aware there's a tongue in cheek element to the OP, but as a thought experiment, I suppose there's a careful-what-you-wish-for dimension. If a particular demographic is over-represented in elections, then outcomes will be likely to favour them. Decimate the voting power of the boomers and you'd start to see younger cohorts flexing their political muscles. Would that be a healthy rebalancing? Or if e.g. 35-50 year olds suddenly hold the balance of power, will this change their political sentiments? Would younger voters become more conservative and authoritarian in a world where they have reset the status quo? That's without mentioning the rapid growth in support for far right politics among teenage/young adult males.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The far right leaning of teenagers is something I nearly mentioned earlier when I said that 21 is a more realistic minimum voting age. Give these kids time to actually see some of the real world before giving them the power.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only 9% of 16-24yo voted Reform as opposed to boomers at 16%.
Give these grandparents some time to see the real world
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is that possible when the voting age hasn't been lowered?
posted on 17/7/25
That would make sense if it’s the only reason I listed but in reality the difference in fluid cognitive ability between 16 and 25 pales to insignificance compared to the decrease in over 70’s and the advent of things such as Alzheimers.
Furthermore, my point was intertwined with the fact that teenagers are the future, while old people simply aren’t.
I’d also argue that over 65 ‘s have proven they can’t be trusted and have played an absolutely massive part in this country being put in the bin.
Let the youth try.
posted on 17/7/25
In Cymru all the polling suggests that the youngsters would vote for left leaning parties, in particular Plaid Cymru. I hope they do as well in next year's Senedd elections.
posted on 17/7/25
Imagine a world in which the rules and safeguards around assisted dying are being formulated in Parliament, there is increasing pressure on public services, health and social care as the ratio of people of working age to retirement age continues to shift, and over-65s no longer have the right to vote. There's a decent chance that a party would get seats in parliament on a platform of euthanasia for old people who cannot support themselves through their private investments.
posted on 17/7/25
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 37 seconds ago
That would make sense if it’s the only reason I listed but in reality the difference in fluid cognitive ability between 16 and 25 pales to insignificance compared to the decrease in over 70’s and the advent of things such as Alzheimers.
Furthermore, my point was intertwined with the fact that teenagers are the future, while old people simply aren’t.
I’d also argue that over 65 ‘s have proven they can’t be trusted and have played an absolutely massive part in this country being put in the bin.
Let the youth try.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bottom line here is the older generation don't vote how you want them to so they shouldn't be allowed to vote.
OK Adolf.
posted on 17/7/25
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 29 seconds ago
There shouldn’t be a max voting age whilst the Government messes around with pensions and tries to kill the elderly off in the winter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They wanted to means test an allowance rather than give it to old people who already had money.
The principle behind that idea is sound.
But for party political reasons, they were forced into a u-turn. It didn't play well with the boomers who've already had the best of everything. You can guarantee by the time generation x get there it will be means tested if it exists at all.
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I've no issue making it needs based provided the administration costs are not an excessive % of the sum paid. However, if we are going to make it needs based then the colder parts of the country should be paid more.
posted on 17/7/25
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