So unless you are saying that it was referred to as sailing before the invention of the sail, which I can't find any evidence of, then we are fine.

comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 14 minutes ago
So unless you are saying that it was referred to as sailing before the invention of the sail, which I can't find any evidence of, then we are fine.
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If it was true that all travel by boat used to be by sail, and that the term 'sailing' was then also applied to travel by all boats irrespective of whether they used a sail, then I guess I'd be OK with that.

The rowing boat was invented before the sail boat though.

Anyway, it doesn't matter too much.

Hi is this the first boat to launch without a sail?

I guess it is, yes. Why?

What are you going to refer to its movement as? Like you're going to *what* the ship?

Sail? I guess. We've always really referred to it as that. Would be confusing to invent a new word for what is practically the same thing.


Hahaha it doesn't even have a sail. You're an idiot.

Ok. But you just wasted your ja606 travel back to any decade mate, not me.

comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 29 minutes ago
Hi is this the first boat to launch without a sail?

I guess it is, yes. Why?

What are you going to refer to its movement as? Like you're going to *what* the ship?

Sail? I guess. We've always really referred to it as that. Would be confusing to invent a new word for what is practically the same thing.


Hahaha it doesn't even have a sail. You're an idiot.

Ok. But you just wasted your ja606 travel back to any decade mate, not me.
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comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 28 minutes ago
Hi is this the first boat to launch without a sail?

I guess it is, yes. Why?

What are you going to refer to its movement as? Like you're going to *what* the ship?

Sail? I guess. We've always really referred to it as that. Would be confusing to invent a new word for what is practically the same thing.


Hahaha it doesn't even have a sail. You're an idiot.

Ok. But you just wasted your ja606 travel back to any decade mate, not me.
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You don't ride a car, so why would you sail a steam boat?

The reason why you'd use a different word is that you're doing something different.

If you're going to apply the word sailing to travelling by steam ship, then you might as well apply it to travelling by aeroplane, hot air balloon or space rocket.


By the way, you could probably say there are broadly three different types of use of a sail boat:

-recreational activity, often without a particular destination.

-a voyage of exploration

-to take part in a war at sea.


You'd only really describe the first one as sailing, in all circumstances. Nobody in a gun battle or voyaging to the antarctic would have said that they were 'sailing'.
When the sail was up, then they were 'under sail', which I guess is where the term sailors comes from.
But if they were just in the boat and the sail wasn't up, they wouldn't say they were under sail.

J v Barry

This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object

when you're in a row boat - rowing
when you're in a sail boat with the sail up - sailing
when you're in a sail boat with the sail not up - nothing
when you're on a horse - riding
when you're in a car - driving
when your're in a hot air balloon/plane/helicopter - flying
when you're in a space ship - no word applies
when you're in a steam boat - sailing

“A maglev train runs on time but doesn't have any runners to run on anything.”
I’m not convinced that running refers to runners or rails. Running is a verb of general application to timing and doesn’t apply only to forms of transport.

“A car stalls despite there not being any stall for it to stop in. And is no longer a horse.”
Again, stall means stop. Although the origin is in connection with a horse, its application to car engines isn’t on account of the car being a successor to the horse, but is applied generally to situations where anything has stopped, regardless of whether it’s a form of transport or something else.

“But it is judged on how much horsepower it has.”
Yes. Although it’s logical to have one base currency/unit of vehicular power. The equivalent for boats would be knots. That’s not to say that travelling in a boat without a sail ought to be called sailing.

“A tennis serve is served but there is no servant handling the ball (the origin)”
That’s interesting. Would be cool to see this re-introduced. There’s a distinction though in that regardless of how the serve got its name, the player is still delivering the service stroke. That hasn’t changed other than in relation to the ball toss. When a steam ship sails on the other hand, nobody is undertaking any travel under sail at all.

“Boxers fight in the boxing ring despite it no longer being a ring.”
Yep. OK. Although the row boat came before the sail.

You still dial a number without a dial
OK. Row boat.

We film people doing stupid stuff every day, without a film. We also often rewind it. Without winding anything.
Row boat.

You may think I have cut and pasted these examples, but I didn't have any scissors or glue.
Row boat.

The term "driving" to describe the operation of a car has its origins in the pre-automobile era, specifically from the language used for controlling animals and horse-drawn carriages. The verb "to drive" originally meant "to force to move, to impel by physical force" and was used to describe forcing an animal, like a horse or a herd of cattle, to move forward in a desired direction.

While rowing is an ancient form of propulsion, it was traditionally associated with smaller vessels like galleys or lifeboats, not with large, long-distance ships. "Rowing" a ship would imply that it's being propelled by oars, which is impractical for a large vessel and was never the primary method of propulsion for transoceanic voyages. The word "rowing" has always been distinct from "sailing," with each term describing a different scale and type of sea travel.

comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 5 minutes ago
J v Barry

This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
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the worst ever edition of such a contest!

comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 12 minutes ago
when you're in a row boat - rowing
when you're in a sail boat with the sail up - sailing
when you're in a sail boat with the sail not up - nothing
when you're on a horse - riding
when you're in a car - driving
when your're in a hot air balloon/plane/helicopter - flying
when you're in a space ship - no word applies
when you're in a steam boat - sailing
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You pilot a space ship as with a plane. Also flying would apply if you aren't the pilot.

comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
The term "driving" to describe the operation of a car has its origins in the pre-automobile era, specifically from the language used for controlling animals and horse-drawn carriages. The verb "to drive" originally meant "to force to move, to impel by physical force" and was used to describe forcing an animal, like a horse or a herd of cattle, to move forward in a desired direction.
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so "riding" was an error?

i'm not sure whether drive is the right term for a horse-drawn carriage btw?

comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 12 minutes ago
when you're in a row boat - rowing
when you're in a sail boat with the sail up - sailing
when you're in a sail boat with the sail not up - nothing
when you're on a horse - riding
when you're in a car - driving
when your're in a hot air balloon/plane/helicopter - flying
when you're in a space ship - no word applies
when you're in a steam boat - sailing
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You pilot a space ship as with a plane. Also flying would apply if you aren't the pilot.
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OK

When the first automobiles were invented, they were often called "horseless carriages." People naturally applied the existing vocabulary for horse-drawn vehicles to these new machines. Since a person "drove" a team of horses pulling a carriage, it made sense to say they were "driving" the new mechanical carriage. The person at the controls was, therefore, a "driver."

This usage was well-established by the late 19th century and became the standard term as automobiles became more common. The term's meaning evolved from controlling a living animal to controlling a machine, but the core concept of guiding and propelling a vehicle remained the same

comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
The term "driving" to describe the operation of a car has its origins in the pre-automobile era, specifically from the language used for controlling animals and horse-drawn carriages. The verb "to drive" originally meant "to force to move, to impel by physical force" and was used to describe forcing an animal, like a horse or a herd of cattle, to move forward in a desired direction.
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so "riding" was an error?

i'm not sure whether drive is the right term for a horse-drawn carriage btw?
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You are confusing riding n horse with driving the horses from the carriage.

comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
The term "driving" to describe the operation of a car has its origins in the pre-automobile era, specifically from the language used for controlling animals and horse-drawn carriages. The verb "to drive" originally meant "to force to move, to impel by physical force" and was used to describe forcing an animal, like a horse or a herd of cattle, to move forward in a desired direction.
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so "riding" was an error?

i'm not sure whether drive is the right term for a horse-drawn carriage btw?
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You are confusing riding n horse with driving the horses from the carriage.
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I submit

comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
When the first automobiles were invented, they were often called "horseless carriages." People naturally applied the existing vocabulary for horse-drawn vehicles to these new machines. Since a person "drove" a team of horses pulling a carriage, it made sense to say they were "driving" the new mechanical carriage. The person at the controls was, therefore, a "driver."

This usage was well-established by the late 19th century and became the standard term as automobiles became more common. The term's meaning evolved from controlling a living animal to controlling a machine, but the core concept of guiding and propelling a vehicle remained the same
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makes sense <ok.

comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
The term "driving" to describe the operation of a car has its origins in the pre-automobile era, specifically from the language used for controlling animals and horse-drawn carriages. The verb "to drive" originally meant "to force to move, to impel by physical force" and was used to describe forcing an animal, like a horse or a herd of cattle, to move forward in a desired direction.
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so "riding" was an error?

i'm not sure whether drive is the right term for a horse-drawn carriage btw?
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You are confusing riding n horse with driving the horses from the carriage.
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I submit
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That is fine. Your act of submitting to me goes along with its original meaning. However you submitted your submission when you pressed send, that "submit" only evolved from the original meaning of the word later on. So why do we use "submit" to "submit" something to someone (in this case in the form of a submission to someone) when it no longer involves the original submission?

comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
The term "driving" to describe the operation of a car has its origins in the pre-automobile era, specifically from the language used for controlling animals and horse-drawn carriages. The verb "to drive" originally meant "to force to move, to impel by physical force" and was used to describe forcing an animal, like a horse or a herd of cattle, to move forward in a desired direction.
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so "riding" was an error?

i'm not sure whether drive is the right term for a horse-drawn carriage btw?
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You are confusing riding n horse with driving the horses from the carriage.
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I submit
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That is fine. Your act of submitting to me goes along with its original meaning. However you submitted your submission when you pressed send, that "submit" only evolved from the original meaning of the word later on. So why do we use "submit" to "submit" something to someone (in this case in the form of a submission to someone) when it no longer involves the original submission?
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might as well have called it sailing, like everything else.

comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
The term "driving" to describe the operation of a car has its origins in the pre-automobile era, specifically from the language used for controlling animals and horse-drawn carriages. The verb "to drive" originally meant "to force to move, to impel by physical force" and was used to describe forcing an animal, like a horse or a herd of cattle, to move forward in a desired direction.
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so "riding" was an error?

i'm not sure whether drive is the right term for a horse-drawn carriage btw?
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You are confusing riding n horse with driving the horses from the carriage.
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I submit
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That is fine. Your act of submitting to me goes along with its original meaning. However you submitted your submission when you pressed send, that "submit" only evolved from the original meaning of the word later on. So why do we use "submit" to "submit" something to someone (in this case in the form of a submission to someone) when it no longer involves the original submission?
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might as well have called it sailing, like everything else.
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I think this would sail over most people's heads

comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 12 minutes ago
when you're in a row boat - rowing
when you're in a sail boat with the sail up - sailing
when you're in a sail boat with the sail not up - nothing
when you're on a horse - riding
when you're in a car - driving
when your're in a hot air balloon/plane/helicopter - flying
when you're in a space ship - no word applies
when you're in a steam boat - sailing
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You pilot a space ship as with a plane. Also flying would apply if you aren't the pilot.
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When you are in a space ship the word is abducted.