Sounds reasonable and effective.

u lose freedom but it wud help crack down i guess, until sum1 comes up with a way around it. when was the last thing they introduced sumin that actually worked as they intended? prob just one of starmers mates wanting to make a killing off the taxpayer again who will win the contract to do it all then it wont even work and get binned.

u lose freedom
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Interested to know how it would affect me and my freedom? It wouldn't stop me doing anything I already do, will it?

Kiss more freedoms good bye. It wont work so well or long term. The only thing that will work is more of your freedoms being taken away.

This has always been rejected but watch how much support it gets now.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
u lose freedom
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Interested to know how it would affect me and my freedom? It wouldn't stop me doing anything I already do, will it?
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its compulsory? lol ur forced to have it not free of choice?

Oh, so the freedom I lose is the right not to have ID. Not really sure that is a huge sacrifice tbh - already have a similar thing.

how do u know what itll be used for once its in also and that it wont effect u?

comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
Kiss more freedoms good bye. It wont work so well or long term. The only thing that will work is more of your freedoms being taken away.

This has always been rejected but watch how much support it gets now.
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Which of your freedoms will be affected by it?

I'm torn on this issue.

The civil liberties side of me doesn't like the state forcing me to do things, and in a world of onrushing AI powered technology and growing authoritarianism, I can imagine ways in which this could weaken the rights and security of the individual.

The practical side of me always felt that the opposition to ID cards as an existential threat to liberty in the 2000s was overegged. I was living in Germany at the time and everyone had an ID card, it was considered normal and actually a very useful thing to have. You could use it as proof of address in all sorts of situations. You could use it to travel within the EU without needing a passport. It didn't seem to make people less free. It could be a handy thing to have on one's phone, as long as the protections against identity theft were very robust. And if it ensured everyone with the right to vote had access to the ballot (noting the number of people who were disenfranchised by the last government's cynical requirement to show ID at polling stations) that would be one major and immediate bonus.

I'm with u DJ wouldn't affect me at all, until it does somehow. And I'm sceptical it'll work as intended anyway even if it is intended for just that work and immigration.

It'll most likely just be contracted to some of the politicians rich mates to make money on and fall on its arrse, thats my bet.

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
how do u know what itll be used for once its in also and that it wont effect u?
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That is my question. What freedoms - other than the freedom not to have ID - will it affect? The report linked seems to only make things easier.
Will I have to use it to check in every hour to prove where I am or something? Or will it just sit in my wallet like my passport ID card?

This is very bad

It'll most likely just be contracted to some of the politicians rich mates to make money on and fall on its arrse, thats my bet.

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If you basically don't trust any politicians to do anything without backhanders to their mates, that can justify being opposed to government doing almost anything. Don't build necessary infrastructure! Don't address the shortfall in housing stock! Don't fill potholes in the roads! Don't digitize analogue processes! Don't procure new equipment for hospitals! Someone might award the contract to their mates.

I'm not going to argue that corruption doesn't exist. I'm not even going to argue that Labour politicians are inherently more honest. (I have a personal theory that there's a high proportion of psychopaths in the upper echelons of politics.) But at least so far don't remember seeing evidence of the sort of egregious corruption associated with Boris, Jenrick and other leading figures in the previous Tory government.

Whats the point of it though? To deter illegal immigrants?

How is that going to make a blind bit of difference to whether people come here or not. Stop giving them a reason to come in the first place is surely the best way to tackle the problem. No housing, no income support and no new identification. The boats will stop overnight.

Good idea, most European countries have them and they can be used at many borders like a passport even outside of the EU.

Does this mean that the dibble will be allowed to demand this ID card without reasonable suspision of you causing a crime? If so. No thanks.

*suspicion

I work at Heathrow and literally all of the EU carry some form of ID card on them, especially the Germans

comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted 37 seconds ago
I work at Heathrow and literally all of the EU carry some form of ID card on them, especially the Germans
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all Germans should carry their papers with them at all times.

comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
I work at Heathrow and literally all of the EU carry some form of ID card on them, especially the Germans
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I dont tend to find a lack of an extra Identification card holds me back in life.

A passport, driving licence and credit cards is generally enough for me.

What is the point of another and how is that going to help us? Im interested to learn more.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 minutes ago
Good idea, most European countries have them and they can be used at many borders like a passport even outside of the EU.
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And those counties have the same problems as us so what's the point?

Said this on another article, the digital ids are for right to work use that will need that information, it will require overheads to manage that data and will no doubt be sold off to a private company to do so, that will rip people off if it’s compulsory.

Are the benefits worth the headache?

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 42 minutes ago
I'm torn on this issue.

The civil liberties side of me doesn't like the state forcing me to do things, and in a world of onrushing AI powered technology and growing authoritarianism, I can imagine ways in which this could weaken the rights and security of the individual.

The practical side of me always felt that the opposition to ID cards as an existential threat to liberty in the 2000s was overegged. I was living in Germany at the time and everyone had an ID card, it was considered normal and actually a very useful thing to have. You could use it as proof of address in all sorts of situations. You could use it to travel within the EU without needing a passport. It didn't seem to make people less free. It could be a handy thing to have on one's phone, as long as the protections against identity theft were very robust. And if it ensured everyone with the right to vote had access to the ballot (noting the number of people who were disenfranchised by the last government's cynical requirement to show ID at polling stations) that would be one major and immediate bonus.
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At first it will be all good but the python will start constricting very slowly as the years pass and one day law enforcement will have a right to hold you for not being able to produce it on demand.