comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
I am also in favour of Palestine having their own territory and a two state solution. It just wouldn't look exactly like the two state solution you prats would give them.
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So what would it look like?
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South Africa before the 90s.
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I laughed at first, but this is probably what he has in mind.
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 20 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted 37 seconds ago
I work at Heathrow and literally all of the EU carry some form of ID card on them, especially the Germans
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all Germans should carry their papers with them at all times.
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Too right, this was so important in The Great escape... Right up until the German officer said. Good luck and Gordon Jackson said thanks...
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours ago
RR.
You refer to these other countries we could learn from....do any of them have a population bigger than London?
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Firstly, there are large European countries (e.g. Germany) that have sustained broadly higher taxation, greater regulation, a more interventionist industrial policy and stronger safety net, with the result of lower rates of inequality while outperforming the UK long-term in productivity, manufacturing and GDP. The UK itself experienced much higher growth over the decades of sky high marginal tax rates, powerful trade unions and more extensive regulation than it has since Thatcher's revolution. I'm not claiming correlation equates to causation here, but my point all long has been that taking a step toward more egalitarian / Keynesian approaches to the political is not inherently damaging to an economy. To claim that there is no alternative to the status quo, and any attempt at rebalancing away from supply-side economics would be disastrous, ignores many contemporary and historic counter-examples.
Secondly, as you intuited, the primary examples I had in mind were the Nordics. It would clearly be naive to imagine that one could copy-paste a very different economy onto the UK's. It doesn't follow that none of the policies that work in Finland or Denmark are scalable or adaptable. The UK suffers from many wasteful feedback loops. Skilled people falling out of work or into less productive roles because of issues such as underinvestment in healthcare and pressure to accept lower skilled / lower paid jobs amid squeeze on unemployment benefits. A drop in social mobility due to the rising cost of access to education / cost of living in proximity to centres of job growth. Barriers to entrepreneurship. We can't address these issues in ways that others do because it's only possible if you're a small country? That's nonsense. There's so much we could do that would enable capitalism to work more effectively, nurture innovation and small-medium businesses, as well as reversing the drift toward ever more extreme inequality of wealth distribution.
RR. You have saved what I had in my mind.
Only with more coherence, ànd with more erudition.
Bravo.
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 35 minutes ago
RR. You have saved what I had in my mind.
Only with more coherence, ànd with more erudition.
Bravo.
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*Said
comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 23 seconds ago
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
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* when
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours ago
RR.
You refer to these other countries we could learn from....do any of them have a population bigger than London?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firstly, there are large European countries (e.g. Germany) that have sustained broadly higher taxation, greater regulation, a more interventionist industrial policy and stronger safety net, with the result of lower rates of inequality while outperforming the UK long-term in productivity, manufacturing and GDP. The UK itself experienced much higher growth over the decades of sky high marginal tax rates, powerful trade unions and more extensive regulation than it has since Thatcher's revolution. I'm not claiming correlation equates to causation here, but my point all long has been that taking a step toward more egalitarian / Keynesian approaches to the political is not inherently damaging to an economy. To claim that there is no alternative to the status quo, and any attempt at rebalancing away from supply-side economics would be disastrous, ignores many contemporary and historic counter-examples.
Secondly, as you intuited, the primary examples I had in mind were the Nordics. It would clearly be naive to imagine that one could copy-paste a very different economy onto the UK's. It doesn't follow that none of the policies that work in Finland or Denmark are scalable or adaptable. The UK suffers from many wasteful feedback loops. Skilled people falling out of work or into less productive roles because of issues such as underinvestment in healthcare and pressure to accept lower skilled / lower paid jobs amid squeeze on unemployment benefits. A drop in social mobility due to the rising cost of access to education / cost of living in proximity to centres of job growth. Barriers to entrepreneurship. We can't address these issues in ways that others do because it's only possible if you're a small country? That's nonsense. There's so much we could do that would enable capitalism to work more effectively, nurture innovation and small-medium businesses, as well as reversing the drift toward ever more extreme inequality of wealth distribution.
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I am not promoting a do nothing approach, just that to do something in this global system is an extremely big challenge and almost impossible if acting alone.
The policies of 40-50 years ago applied to a very different world back then. 'it worked then' doesnt mean it will work now and i dont know if you remember the 70s and early 8ps but it wasnt all sunshine and light, far from it.
The other major constraint to change IMO, is that any party who set out a proposal to radically change, taxation, and ultimately increase it, for the greater good, will get nowhere near election. People dont trust enough to believe "pay more but things will get better" Look at the promises this Govt made to get ito office, when election was an absolute tap-in. Golden opportunity to make change but instead they were intent on disproving their record on the economy and have handcuffed themselves to make any change...and the big change they did make was to hit business for £25bn
Funnily enough if we adopted Germany's tax thresholds then the poorer would be taxed more (only 10k is tax free), the middle get taxed more as it at a progressive rate to about our mid rate (40%) and then the top rate of tax kicks in at about 100K above the UK top rate. May be the middle class are a much bigger proportion there i dont know but our middle earners cannot take any more squeezing right now.
As for adopting other countries approaches i agree, there is nothing to say they could provide an answer but one cannot ignore the much greater size and complexity of the UK economy compared to places like Sweden. Our population, our gdp is 6-7 times the size. Its like comparing SPAR with Tesco.
overall the theory sounds fine. The practice is so hard to deliver in the real world, in real time, its so hard to imagine how we even begin. Parties'' and voters' focus is too short. One could perhaps accept the 'pain' the country is suffering now if it were moving towards the structural change needed long term but it isnt. There isnt any plan seemingly.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 23 seconds ago
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
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* when
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comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 50 minutes ago
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
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The Government will bail you out then in that case, if you're Indian like Jaguar Land Rover
itd be cool to have political topic threads where everyone sticks to the main topic at hand
comment by Blarmstêvão (U14547)
posted 5 minutes ago
itd be cool to have political topic threads where everyone sticks to the main topic at hand
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100% agree.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SMAAAAAALLLLL BOOOOAAAAATS!!! <shakingwithrage>
comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
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As I said earlier, 74% of adults in the UK already have this information digitally stored by having drivers licenses. 76% by having passports.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
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As I said earlier, 74% of adults in the UK already have this information digitally stored by having drivers licenses. 76% by having passports.
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So what's the use of new IDs
if we have license and passport is it likely we need to do anything?
i've given all my biometrics to like 10 other countries anyway
We ain't seen nothing yet.
From October 10th, everyone has to have both their photo and fingerprints taken when you enter the EU.
Another Brexit Bonus
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 8 minutes ago
We ain't seen nothing yet.
From October 10th, everyone has to have both their photo and fingerprints taken when you enter the EU.
Another Brexit Bonus
----------------------------------------------------------------------
n show that u halve the health insurance n show em ur bank balants
comment by Blarmstêvão (U14547)
posted 17 minutes ago
if we have license and passport is it likely we need to do anything?
i've given all my biometrics to like 10 other countries anyway
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Depends if they make these particular IDs mandatory.
And if that’s the case from an employment perspective, and all the data is stored with one provider, then it wouldn’t be a surprise if this then becomes the default mode of proving right to work.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 8 hours, 53 minutes ago
"People working illegally are undercutting the millions who actually do work legally and pay tax.
Who gives a fek about a handful of Billonaires getting favourable benefits, most of us aren’t in a Race to The Bottom with them."
And there it is
Who undercuts the legal employment market by offering below legal wages to employees, the person looking for work (if a newly arrived migrant I would describe as vulnerable) or the employer?
If it's not billionaire's vs the plebs in your race to the bottom why do they, billionaire's, fund RW gaslighters and shiitestirrers to posit the debate as 'those brown people are coming for your jobs, look over there'?
Didn't think you were this niave tbh Boris.
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Yawn! ‘RW gaslighters’ does this boring cvnt ever manage to post without the RW shiiite?
Fields seems to think illegal workers get work from the Job Centre.
He certainly doesn't grasp the concept that unscrupulous people are queuing up to exploit the most vulnerable for their own gain, he's more concerned about these Billionaires.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Fields seems to think illegal workers get work from the Job Centre.
He certainly doesn't grasp the concept that unscrupulous people are queuing up to exploit the most vulnerable for their own gain, he's more concerned about these Billionaires.
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r u sayin that billionare n unscroopilus r moochully eggsclewsieve?
"Fields seems to think illegal workers get work from the Job Centre"
What now Boris?
Literally haven't said this. You crack on making shiite up though.
I'm coming to this late and can imagine where the conversation has headed, but what's the point?
Is Starmer just in bed with Farage and trying to hand Reform victories or something?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Fields seems to think illegal workers get work from the Job Centre"
What now Boris?
Literally haven't said this. You crack on making shiite up though.
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You've mentioned things like minimum wage and conditions as if these people go through some sort of formal job interview
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Fields seems to think illegal workers get work from the Job Centre"
What now Boris?
Literally haven't said this. You crack on making shiite up though.
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You've mentioned things like minimum wage and conditions as if these people go through some sort of formal job interview
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No i mentioned employers being to blame for paying below MW and not employees which you were crying about.
No wonder a fresh off the boat, can't speak the lingo, migrant is affecting your income with reading skills like this.
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posted on 26/9/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - Give them an inch they take a yard (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
I am also in favour of Palestine having their own territory and a two state solution. It just wouldn't look exactly like the two state solution you prats would give them.
======
So what would it look like?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
South Africa before the 90s.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I laughed at first, but this is probably what he has in mind.
posted on 26/9/25
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 20 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted 37 seconds ago
I work at Heathrow and literally all of the EU carry some form of ID card on them, especially the Germans
----------------------------------------------------------------------
all Germans should carry their papers with them at all times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Too right, this was so important in The Great escape... Right up until the German officer said. Good luck and Gordon Jackson said thanks...
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours ago
RR.
You refer to these other countries we could learn from....do any of them have a population bigger than London?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firstly, there are large European countries (e.g. Germany) that have sustained broadly higher taxation, greater regulation, a more interventionist industrial policy and stronger safety net, with the result of lower rates of inequality while outperforming the UK long-term in productivity, manufacturing and GDP. The UK itself experienced much higher growth over the decades of sky high marginal tax rates, powerful trade unions and more extensive regulation than it has since Thatcher's revolution. I'm not claiming correlation equates to causation here, but my point all long has been that taking a step toward more egalitarian / Keynesian approaches to the political is not inherently damaging to an economy. To claim that there is no alternative to the status quo, and any attempt at rebalancing away from supply-side economics would be disastrous, ignores many contemporary and historic counter-examples.
Secondly, as you intuited, the primary examples I had in mind were the Nordics. It would clearly be naive to imagine that one could copy-paste a very different economy onto the UK's. It doesn't follow that none of the policies that work in Finland or Denmark are scalable or adaptable. The UK suffers from many wasteful feedback loops. Skilled people falling out of work or into less productive roles because of issues such as underinvestment in healthcare and pressure to accept lower skilled / lower paid jobs amid squeeze on unemployment benefits. A drop in social mobility due to the rising cost of access to education / cost of living in proximity to centres of job growth. Barriers to entrepreneurship. We can't address these issues in ways that others do because it's only possible if you're a small country? That's nonsense. There's so much we could do that would enable capitalism to work more effectively, nurture innovation and small-medium businesses, as well as reversing the drift toward ever more extreme inequality of wealth distribution.
posted on 26/9/25
RR. You have saved what I had in my mind.
Only with more coherence, ànd with more erudition.
Bravo.
posted on 26/9/25
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
posted on 26/9/25
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 35 minutes ago
RR. You have saved what I had in my mind.
Only with more coherence, ànd with more erudition.
Bravo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
*Said
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 23 seconds ago
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
----------------------------------------------------------------------
* when
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours ago
RR.
You refer to these other countries we could learn from....do any of them have a population bigger than London?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firstly, there are large European countries (e.g. Germany) that have sustained broadly higher taxation, greater regulation, a more interventionist industrial policy and stronger safety net, with the result of lower rates of inequality while outperforming the UK long-term in productivity, manufacturing and GDP. The UK itself experienced much higher growth over the decades of sky high marginal tax rates, powerful trade unions and more extensive regulation than it has since Thatcher's revolution. I'm not claiming correlation equates to causation here, but my point all long has been that taking a step toward more egalitarian / Keynesian approaches to the political is not inherently damaging to an economy. To claim that there is no alternative to the status quo, and any attempt at rebalancing away from supply-side economics would be disastrous, ignores many contemporary and historic counter-examples.
Secondly, as you intuited, the primary examples I had in mind were the Nordics. It would clearly be naive to imagine that one could copy-paste a very different economy onto the UK's. It doesn't follow that none of the policies that work in Finland or Denmark are scalable or adaptable. The UK suffers from many wasteful feedback loops. Skilled people falling out of work or into less productive roles because of issues such as underinvestment in healthcare and pressure to accept lower skilled / lower paid jobs amid squeeze on unemployment benefits. A drop in social mobility due to the rising cost of access to education / cost of living in proximity to centres of job growth. Barriers to entrepreneurship. We can't address these issues in ways that others do because it's only possible if you're a small country? That's nonsense. There's so much we could do that would enable capitalism to work more effectively, nurture innovation and small-medium businesses, as well as reversing the drift toward ever more extreme inequality of wealth distribution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not promoting a do nothing approach, just that to do something in this global system is an extremely big challenge and almost impossible if acting alone.
The policies of 40-50 years ago applied to a very different world back then. 'it worked then' doesnt mean it will work now and i dont know if you remember the 70s and early 8ps but it wasnt all sunshine and light, far from it.
The other major constraint to change IMO, is that any party who set out a proposal to radically change, taxation, and ultimately increase it, for the greater good, will get nowhere near election. People dont trust enough to believe "pay more but things will get better" Look at the promises this Govt made to get ito office, when election was an absolute tap-in. Golden opportunity to make change but instead they were intent on disproving their record on the economy and have handcuffed themselves to make any change...and the big change they did make was to hit business for £25bn
Funnily enough if we adopted Germany's tax thresholds then the poorer would be taxed more (only 10k is tax free), the middle get taxed more as it at a progressive rate to about our mid rate (40%) and then the top rate of tax kicks in at about 100K above the UK top rate. May be the middle class are a much bigger proportion there i dont know but our middle earners cannot take any more squeezing right now.
As for adopting other countries approaches i agree, there is nothing to say they could provide an answer but one cannot ignore the much greater size and complexity of the UK economy compared to places like Sweden. Our population, our gdp is 6-7 times the size. Its like comparing SPAR with Tesco.
overall the theory sounds fine. The practice is so hard to deliver in the real world, in real time, its so hard to imagine how we even begin. Parties'' and voters' focus is too short. One could perhaps accept the 'pain' the country is suffering now if it were moving towards the structural change needed long term but it isnt. There isnt any plan seemingly.
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 23 seconds ago
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
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* when
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 50 minutes ago
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Government will bail you out then in that case, if you're Indian like Jaguar Land Rover
posted on 26/9/25
itd be cool to have political topic threads where everyone sticks to the main topic at hand
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Blarmstêvão (U14547)
posted 5 minutes ago
itd be cool to have political topic threads where everyone sticks to the main topic at hand
----------------------------------------------------------------------
100% agree.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SMAAAAAALLLLL BOOOOAAAAATS!!! <shakingwithrage>
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
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As I said earlier, 74% of adults in the UK already have this information digitally stored by having drivers licenses. 76% by having passports.
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Sir Charles Lampwick Carruthers (U22980)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
If the central system for digital id cards gets hacked then everybody is double facked
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As I said earlier, 74% of adults in the UK already have this information digitally stored by having drivers licenses. 76% by having passports.
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So what's the use of new IDs
posted on 26/9/25
if we have license and passport is it likely we need to do anything?
i've given all my biometrics to like 10 other countries anyway
posted on 26/9/25
We ain't seen nothing yet.
From October 10th, everyone has to have both their photo and fingerprints taken when you enter the EU.
Another Brexit Bonus
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 8 minutes ago
We ain't seen nothing yet.
From October 10th, everyone has to have both their photo and fingerprints taken when you enter the EU.
Another Brexit Bonus
----------------------------------------------------------------------
n show that u halve the health insurance n show em ur bank balants
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Blarmstêvão (U14547)
posted 17 minutes ago
if we have license and passport is it likely we need to do anything?
i've given all my biometrics to like 10 other countries anyway
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Depends if they make these particular IDs mandatory.
And if that’s the case from an employment perspective, and all the data is stored with one provider, then it wouldn’t be a surprise if this then becomes the default mode of proving right to work.
posted on 26/9/25
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 8 hours, 53 minutes ago
"People working illegally are undercutting the millions who actually do work legally and pay tax.
Who gives a fek about a handful of Billonaires getting favourable benefits, most of us aren’t in a Race to The Bottom with them."
And there it is
Who undercuts the legal employment market by offering below legal wages to employees, the person looking for work (if a newly arrived migrant I would describe as vulnerable) or the employer?
If it's not billionaire's vs the plebs in your race to the bottom why do they, billionaire's, fund RW gaslighters and shiitestirrers to posit the debate as 'those brown people are coming for your jobs, look over there'?
Didn't think you were this niave tbh Boris.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yawn! ‘RW gaslighters’ does this boring cvnt ever manage to post without the RW shiiite?
posted on 26/9/25
Fields seems to think illegal workers get work from the Job Centre.
He certainly doesn't grasp the concept that unscrupulous people are queuing up to exploit the most vulnerable for their own gain, he's more concerned about these Billionaires.
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Fields seems to think illegal workers get work from the Job Centre.
He certainly doesn't grasp the concept that unscrupulous people are queuing up to exploit the most vulnerable for their own gain, he's more concerned about these Billionaires.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
r u sayin that billionare n unscroopilus r moochully eggsclewsieve?
posted on 26/9/25
"Fields seems to think illegal workers get work from the Job Centre"
What now Boris?
Literally haven't said this. You crack on making shiite up though.
posted on 26/9/25
I'm coming to this late and can imagine where the conversation has headed, but what's the point?
Is Starmer just in bed with Farage and trying to hand Reform victories or something?
posted on 26/9/25
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Fields seems to think illegal workers get work from the Job Centre"
What now Boris?
Literally haven't said this. You crack on making shiite up though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've mentioned things like minimum wage and conditions as if these people go through some sort of formal job interview
posted on 26/9/25
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Fields seems to think illegal workers get work from the Job Centre"
What now Boris?
Literally haven't said this. You crack on making shiite up though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've mentioned things like minimum wage and conditions as if these people go through some sort of formal job interview
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No i mentioned employers being to blame for paying below MW and not employees which you were crying about.
No wonder a fresh off the boat, can't speak the lingo, migrant is affecting your income with reading skills like this.
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