This video is pretty interesting.

It certainly made me entertain the thought that a god exists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6DmHGYy_xk

Dazza

In regards to the Islamic extremism problem religion certainly exacerbates the problem (from both their and our side)

It would probably help a lot if the West hadn't treated the Middle East like its bi tch for the last century...

Screen my point is:

If science cannot answer the most basic question nature: How order arose out of disorder then it cannot help us to know the truth about origin.

Thus we must abandon it and seek alternative means.

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Kung Fu Cantona- you are the tool. I don't watch Sky news and know of the term as it is used by terrorists.
That's what they are, they are not freedom fighters. They are anti-semitic,anti-western idiots that believe suicide leads them to heaven and 80 odd virgins

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You still actually haven't told me what it means?

These people who are screaming death to the west are probably just normal blokes who have had there families killed by western planes/bullets. Do you really think if the Britain and The USA didn't have bases scattered all over the middle-east, waging illegal wars and supporting Israel you would have tragedies like 9/11 etc. Stay within your own boarders and handle your own affairs and that country will have nothing to worry about. Over 1 million people have been killed in Iraq all non combatants and all with fathers and brothers who will probably want to exact revenge on the people who killed there loved ones. Keep on living in a dream world where the west aren't to blame and are the Heros!

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comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 (U1661)
posted 1 minute ago
Mexican Rave!!!!
I've seen that several times, but and not accurate. If you actually go to Africa you'd see for yourself.
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Stephen Fry has been plenty of times, he seems to believe it, ive also done plenty of research, i;ll stick with my opinion thanks
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Before you actually make comment on serious issues you should try seeing for yourself

I've been to Africa and stayed there for a bit and know quite a bit about their attitude way of life.

I do think the western media is wrong on many issues.

comment by Football_bloodyhell (U17867)

posted 3 hours ago

Christians have got off lightly when it comes to persecution compared to others
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Tell that to the tour guide next time you visit the coliseum in Rome.

So if we don't know the answer just give up and let's say god did it?!??

I am glad that there were enough clever people with the opposite attitude otherwise we would still be living in the dark ages!

And the tour guide would agree. The number of Christians persecuted in the Coliseum don't compare to the number of Jews persecuted in history.

@ honest..............''Don't talk about something you don't know. Have you ever been to Africa?''
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This is your reply to 'mexrave' when he mentioned Africa. This prompted me to ask if you've ever been to Heaven?
Your response was as poor/pathetic as I figured it would be.
I can't say that I'm surprised tbh

Melton blue
I don't get you. Whether I have seen miracles?
Yes I have.
Do you need a journalist description?

No worries TUX
The emphasis I put on origin is because that is where I think the proof lies.
An atom is a compression of free energy, compressed against its will. Only an INTENTION could do that.
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compressed against its will who told you this, light, infrared or ultra violate, more nonsense





If we being so intelligent can be this dependent on nature obstinately then someone more intelligent and powerful must be regulating this nature?
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or it could be the natural process that can be perfectly explained by science.

"If science cannot answer the most basic question nature: How order arose out of disorder then it cannot help us to know the truth about origin.

Thus we must abandon it and seek alternative means."

Why abandon it? Discoveries are being made all the time in that field, surely that would be one of the worst things to do?

Science and religion really don't have to be mutually exclusive, I really don't get the "either or" reasoning sometimes.

comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)

posted 3 minutes ago

difference between believers and non believers is believers feel the works of God are beyonds the rational of men. Non believers say the existence of God makes no rational sense.

My argument is if there was truly a God, do you honestly believe he is on the same level that you can understand his thoughts/works.

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Exactly. People always try to bring God to the human level. But He is not human.
He said that His creations would point mankind to Him. And when you look at the wonders of creation and still thinks its all an accident, then I would say your faith is even stronger than what you need to believe in God.

comment by waynerooney's first touch (U15788)
posted 4 minutes ago
Screen my point is:

If<span class="w0z01" id="w0z01_7">science</span>cannot answer the most basic question nature: How order arose out of disorder then it cannot help us to know the truth about origin.

Thus we must abandon it and seek alternative means.
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have you heard of the big bang theory?

"Melton blue
I don't get you. Whether I have seen miracles?
Yes I have.
Do you need a journalist description?"

I didn't ask you whether you had seen it, you already said that. I asked who you saw do it and what he did for a living.

I'm not asking for a journalistic description, I just asked who you saw do it, considering you have already said what you saw.

I'm not sure why you are being defensive about that in all honesty, why wouldn't you want to share that experience?

And the tour guide would agree. The number of Christians persecuted in the Coliseum don't compare to the number of Jews persecuted in history.
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Throughout the expansion and even currently Christians have suffered persecution mainly because of their religion. Don't confuse religious persecution with race/ethnic/tribe persecution.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)

posted 1 minute ago

And the tour guide would agree. The number of Christians persecuted in the Coliseum don't compare to the number of Jews persecuted in history.
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Just out of interest, did you know how many Christians were slaughtered in North Africa after the Ottoman Turks conquered that region?
How many Christians have been killed in present day Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Nigeria etc?
Do you know? I guess not. And you think throwing people to the lions just because they believe in God is a joke.

Football bloodyhell

What relevance does my preaching have to the truthfulness of what I am saying?
But you're right. In fact it is a task every true Christian enjoy doing: helping others to come to know the truth about existence.
That is where true satisfaction lies.
Now how do I know that you're really troubled?

Because satisfaction and peace of mind can only be found in the knowledge and practice of truth.
We may lie to our friends and pretend to be happy and at peace, but if a mans's happiness has to depend on having money and friends and watching football and all other things, he would never be truly happy.

It is this happiness that people who have found it want others to know about.

This is different from religious: the selfish politicizing of the search for truth.

I've never said they haven't suffered persecution.

Where have I said it's a joke? All I've done is disagree with what you said.

comment by mancinicity (U7179)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)

posted 3 minutes ago

difference between believers and non believers is believers feel the works of God are beyonds the rational of men. Non believers say the existence of God makes no rational sense.

My argument is if there was truly a God, do you honestly believe he is on the same level that you can understand his thoughts/works.

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Exactly. People always try to bring God to the human level. But He is not human.
<span class="mud80u" id="mud80u_6">He</span>said that His creations would point mankind to Him. And when you look at the wonders of creation and still thinks its all an accident, then I would say your faith is even stronger than what you need to believe in God.
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when you think of billions of stars and many billions of planets in the universe, Its not that lucky for life to exist. It can be a statistical certainty. when there is life, one life form can evolve to be very intelligent. its called evolution. nothing godly there

Kung fu cantona - I am no warmonger. Was against both wars in the Gulf. I do think intervention is needed when you have dictators like Saddam and Gadaffi. However the shambles that ensued should have been avoided. Similarly Afghanistan. Most of it is the apalling US foreign policy in particular. However I am no fan of any terrorism whatsover whatever the cause.

Football bloodyhell

What relevance does my preaching have to the truthfulness of what I am saying?
But you're right. In fact it is a task every true Christian enjoy doing: helping others to come to know the truth about existence.
That is where true satisfaction lies.
Now how do I know that you're really troubled?

Because satisfaction and peace of mind can only be found in the knowledge and practice of truth.
We may lie to our friends and pretend to be happy and at peace, but if a mans's happiness has to depend on having money and friends and watching football and all other things, he would never be truly happy.

It is this happiness that people who have found it want others to know about.

This is different from religious: the selfish politicizing of the search for truth.

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Spot on.

comment by waynerooney's first touch (U15788)
posted 4 minutes ago
Football bloodyhell

What relevance does my preaching have to the truthfulness of what I am saying?
But you're right. In fact it is a task every true Christian enjoy doing: helping others to come to know the truth about existence.
That is where true satisfaction lies.
Now how do I know that you're really troubled?

Because satisfaction and peace of mind can only be found in the knowledge and practice of truth.
We may lie to our friends and pretend to be happy and at peace, but if a mans's happiness has to depend on having money and friends and watching football and all other things, he would never be truly happy.

It is this happiness that people who have found it want others to know about.

This is different from religious: the selfish politicizing of the search for truth.
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that might be the biggest pile of horse manúre ive ever read

The weakest of all the arguments is look at the world how can this not be created by god.

If I throw 17 heads in a row is that God as well?

What about people playing the lottery and winning?

The fact is the chances of the world ending up as it did are probably just the same as its chances of ending up in another configuration, to look back on it after its all been completed and say that must be god is meaningless....

I may as well throw my coin 17 times and say look I got 2 heads, 2 tails then 5 heads 5 tails and the last 3 heads, given the remote chances of me getting that exact combination it must be god!!