Creation as in conceiving a baby?
Definitely unnatural!

Exactly Greatteams.. abortion,contraception,Jihad amongst other things

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I bet you don't even know what Jihad means or how it's used in a religious context.

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TKT, there are many words of god.

'honest'

No surprise there really. I kinda figured you'd swerve the 'what's rational' question bud.

Kung Fu Cantona - holier than thou...
I know the term Jihad when it is used by terrorists all over the world to threaten democracies...when they raise their guns in the air and shout death to US or Uk or the infidels !!

Football bloodyhell

Think about science and its discoveries.
Why do you think they work?

They do not work because humans are great and intelligent. They work because we apply laws.

Now we didn't know these laws from the beginning.
We had to observe and study nature to discover them.
It took humility and acceptance of our ignorance to painstakingly study nature, so as to apply matter and energy, not in our own terms, but in the terms of nature as dictated by its laws.

We cannot achieve anything if we apply matter and energy against the laws that govern them.
So in a way, we are not as great as we think.
We are merely slaves doing as the laws of nature bid us.
If we were really great we would make our own laws of matter and energy and use them on our terms.

Now if we painstakingly study nature so as to learn from it how we ought to benefit from it, how have we not applied ourselves in a similar way to discover what the Truth about God is?

We show such humility towards matter and energy and yet proclaim ourselves the lords of the universe?

I think that is very ignorant.

"but how the fack does the church get away with being immune to tax"

loophole but necessary

it prevents a government from restricting religious freedom by taxing their places of worship and leaders into bankruptcy

which if a government didn't want religious freedom or any religion at all would be a sound strategy. That's what I would do at least.

comment by Football_bloodyhell (U17867)

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Exactly Greatteams.. abortion,contraception,Jihad amongst other things
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Religion actually have a good reason for having opinions on some of these issues. When non-religion groups stand for this it's accepted as normal, but when it's religion it's bad and they shouldn't have any voice.

They have a good reason for their abortion views and contraception. Some people are completely misinformed on issue of contraception and why it may not be beneficial in certain part of 3rd world continents (and I've been there and seen for myself).

I've mentioned if twice on here, but how the fack does the church get away with being immune to tax, especially with the state the country is in?
One tiny point, but it is so outrageous, it's baffling.
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Apparently 'God moves in mysterious ways' (and has awesome accountants!)

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It is used to represent heat transfer because heat transfer causes
* increased disorderliness in the receiving medium
And
* less disorderliness in the heat-losing medium.

So its still basically about orderliness.
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Entropy is a mathematical term devised to balance the energy equation, Study how it is defined(mathematically) then you wont confuse it with disorderliness



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It takes a lot of energy to package free energy, which is disordered, into matter, which is more ordered: the energy of bonding. Now this unnatural.
Its unnaturallness is proven by the phenomenon of decay. Decay is natural , creation is unnatural.
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this part makes no sense what so ever. I have encountered many thermodynamical systems, all of them can be modeled mathematically and nothing suggests the existence of a god

comment by TUX (U5315)

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'honest'

No surprise there really. I kinda figured you'd swerve the 'what's rational' question bud.
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Not really. I realised I must have misread the main point of why I made my comments and moved on.

This drink I like it! More! -Thor

"loophole but necessary

it prevents a government from restricting religious freedom by taxing their places of worship and leaders into bankruptcy"

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That and the fact that they actually contribute more to society than the relative amount of tax they would pay could ever achieve.

Not really. I realised I must have misread the main point of why I made my comments and moved on.
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Well put but a 'kop out' in any other language bud

"but how the fack does the church get away with being immune to tax"
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They're charities and not a workplace. Churches are there to help followers and people in need.

"Wayne,

Can I ask who you saw do it? I'd be interested to know what that person does as well. Again, genuinely curious."

In case you missed that wayne.

TUX

Creation I mean is : To build something from less orderliness to greater orderliness.

For example: if you collect all the dust particles in the air (great disorder) and pack them to become a granite rock (very little disorder) that may be termed creation.

That is unnatural.
It takes energy, the energy of bonding, and then INTENTION to do that.

It is this energy of bonding that is released during decay of organic matter , creating warmth.
It is the energy of bonding that is released in atomic bombs and nuclear reactors.

It is like blowing out a balloon, and then compressing the whole air in it into the point of a pin. The energy required is unimaginable.
Now nature does not lock up such energy on its own. Instead nature releases energy.

That is the second law of thermodynamics disobeyed dying the origin of all matter in the universe.

comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 (U1661)
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"but how the fack does the church get away with being immune to tax"
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They're charities and not a workplace.Churches are there to help followers and people in need.
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The Church of England is the biggest land owner in the country and has cash reserves bigger than most multinationals, how is that helping their "followers and people in need"?

Think about science and its discoveries.
Why do you think they work?

They do not work because humans are great and intelligent. They work because we apply laws.

Now we didn't know these laws from the beginning.
We had to observe and study nature to discover them.
It took humility and acceptance of our ignorance to painstakingly study nature, so as to apply matter and energy, not in our own terms, but in the terms of nature as dictated by its laws.
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Of course it depends on your definition of what great actually is. In the scheme of the universe humans are not great. In terms of living species on planet earth we are.
Science and discoveries work as you put it, because as a species over thousands of years we have evolved. Our intelligence has too and therefore our ability to understand laws of nature has increased. Take drugs for example, they have been created to cure illness etc. To improve life for the human race. Some of man's discoveries are amazing. You make it sound like God's game where we have to discover everything bit by bit to solve the puzzle.
Of course we are constrained by the laws of Physics. Nobody knows why there are these laws or where they come from granted but there is no scrap of evidence for this super creator ! Perhaps the Big Bang could be called God

waynerooney's first touch

we can explain the laws in nature. We know its existence, and more importantly we know how they work, why they work and their limitations

can any scientifical approach proves the existence of a god?

Just as a curiosity those who believe in God I guess don't believe there is other life on other planets ? If you do and that life is more intelligent,advanced than the human species then why would a poor man like Jesus be the son of God the almighty and not a far more superior creature ?

The Church of England is the biggest land owner in the country and has cash reserves bigger than most multinationals, how is that helping their "followers and people in need"?
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They're helping so many people but the way our market works means they'll keep making money of the land (which is good as they use the money for good cause). They're not going to fund Iraq war or stuff like that.

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If you cannot apply your mathematics to real time nature if what use it it?

Yes, it balances the energy equation in this regard:
* whoever is losing energy is losing entropy and becoming more ordered.
* whoever is gaining energy is gaining entropy and becoming less ordered.
Thus as the energy of the system increases the orderliness decreases.

For example: if you collect all the dust particles in the air (great disorder) and pack them to become a granite rock (very little disorder) that may be termed creation.

That is unnatural.
It takes energy, the energy of bonding, and then INTENTION to do that.
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That's geology bud. The granite is the result of time/pressure. It's a VERY natural occurrence. Expand your example massively and you have this planet that we occupy............