He didn't invent anything but his ability to pick these obscure tactics from what we would consider hipster teams from wayyy yesteryears and apply to today's game is second to none.

I genuinely believe he's the greatest student of the game we'll ever see

The amount other managers copy him is crazy. A fair few of his coaches have gone on to win things too, with Maresca being the latest.

The influence he has had on the game is unsurpassed, as is his trophy haul.

It’s not even a debate imo.

All nice and fancy dancy but he's always had a great chequebook.

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All nice and fancy dancy but he's always had a great chequebook.
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As did Fergie and Carlo.

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comment by (K̇ash) - Klopp's Last Dance - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
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All nice and fancy dancy but he's always had a great chequebook.
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As did Fergie and Carlo.
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Fergie can fall back on Abderdeen

When he won his first title for United I don't think he was outspending us.

Carlo yes, look how average he was at Napoli and Everton which is why Pep will always have that question mark.

Fergie broke transfer records before his first title if I remember correctly.

All the greats spend great amounts

I’ve always found it a bit of a daft slate anyway.

The consistency Pep achieves, year after year after year, with so many different players is unsurpassed.

He’s waaaaaay out in front

To be fair Pep can always fall back on his very first Barca season.

Only had a net spend of circa £30m and takes a lot of balls in your very first top league gig to bin off Ronaldinho and Deco whilst putting faith in younger players like Pedro and Busquets. To then do that and win a treble is ridiculous.

Would like to see him take over a team who always finishes around 6th though and see what he can do. Shame it will never happen.

It’s not like Pep wasn’t having an influence at Barca B either. Won the league and got them promoted in his first season.

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To be fair Pep can always fall back on his very first Barca season.

Only had a net spend of circa £30m and takes a lot of balls in your very first top league gig to bin off Ronaldinho and Deco whilst putting faith in younger players like Pedro and Busquets. To then do that and win a treble is ridiculous.

Would like to see him take over a team who always finishes around 6th though and see what he can do. Shame it will never happen.
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He was hardly taking over Brendon Rodgers Liverpool was he. He took over a team who had previously won the CL and La Liga under Rijkaard who quit after a poor season.

He inherited Henry, Etoo, Yaya, Xavi, Puyol and Iniesta to name a few. Messi was already running the show.

Of course doing treble was some achievement.

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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
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To be fair Pep can always fall back on his very first Barca season.

Only had a net spend of circa £30m and takes a lot of balls in your very first top league gig to bin off Ronaldinho and Deco whilst putting faith in younger players like Pedro and Busquets. To then do that and win a treble is ridiculous.

Would like to see him take over a team who always finishes around 6th though and see what he can do. Shame it will never happen.
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He was hardly taking over Brendon Rodgers Liverpool was he. He took over a team who had previously won the CL and La Liga under Rijkaard who quit after a poor season.

He inherited Henry, Etoo, Yaya, Xavi, Puyol and Iniesta to name a few. Messi was already running the show.

Of course doing treble was some achievement.
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Winning the treble playing the best football a generation had seen at the time though

They humiliated Utd after the first goal...in a CL final...his first CL final ever.

Then did it again in 2013

Surely we’ve all seen enough football to know it’s not just about good players and money?

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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
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To be fair Pep can always fall back on his very first Barca season.

Only had a net spend of circa £30m and takes a lot of balls in your very first top league gig to bin off Ronaldinho and Deco whilst putting faith in younger players like Pedro and Busquets. To then do that and win a treble is ridiculous.

Would like to see him take over a team who always finishes around 6th though and see what he can do. Shame it will never happen.
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He was hardly taking over Brendon Rodgers Liverpool was he. He took over a team who had previously won the CL and La Liga under Rijkaard who quit after a poor season.

He inherited Henry, Etoo, Yaya, Xavi, Puyol and Iniesta to name a few. Messi was already running the show.

Of course doing treble was some achievement.
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Decent core obviously, but it was an underperforming side and then he sold their main guy and several other top players whilst replacing most of them with youth and changing the system.

Messi was obviously always destined for the top but he basically scored the same number of goals in 1 season under Pep than the previous 3 under Rijkaard, and that was largely due to Pep altering his tactics.

True but when you have an underdog like Klopp that consistently manages to challenge the best manager ever, it's legitimate to compare them

In terms of professionalism Pep is clearly the best, I'd still rather Klopp

People talk about the youth that came through at Barca whilst somehow forgetting who brought them through.

Expected news but Trent out of league cup final. Good job Trent 2.0 is back.

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Expected news but Trent out of league cup final. Good job Trent 2.0 is back.
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Szob out too, real shame

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Expected news but Trent out of league cup final. Good job Trent 2.0 is back.
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Szob out too, real shame
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Is that confirmed?

Not great signs for either the medical team or the management that that's two players who came back from injury and immediately reaggravated it.

Would suggest neither were fit enough to come back when they did.

I've only seen the Twitter aggregators attribute it to Chris Bascombe now you mention it actually

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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
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To be fair Pep can always fall back on his very first Barca season.

Only had a net spend of circa £30m and takes a lot of balls in your very first top league gig to bin off Ronaldinho and Deco whilst putting faith in younger players like Pedro and Busquets. To then do that and win a treble is ridiculous.

Would like to see him take over a team who always finishes around 6th though and see what he can do. Shame it will never happen.
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He was hardly taking over Brendon Rodgers Liverpool was he. He took over a team who had previously won the CL and La Liga under Rijkaard who quit after a poor season.

He inherited Henry, Etoo, Yaya, Xavi, Puyol and Iniesta to name a few. Messi was already running the show.

Of course doing treble was some achievement.
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Decent core obviously, but it was an underperforming side and then he sold their main guy and several other top players whilst replacing most of them with youth and changing the system.

Messi was obviously always destined for the top but he basically scored the same number of goals in 1 season under Pep than the previous 3 under Rijkaard, and that was largely due to Pep altering his tactics.
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It was also due to Messi playing more games, maturing and coming of age. Messi's best years were after Pep left Barca. IMO I don't think you can credit Pep with that. Barca are also almost always bringing through top players from their youth system regardless of who is in charge.

Let's not act like Pep hasn't had a massive advantage that other managers have not. If he had started his career at some Espanyol or Mirandes like Klopp did started at Mainz then we would be having a completely different conversation.

It's comparable to if Klopp had started at Bayern instead of Mainz, inheriting Robben and the likes. He'd have murdered football.

I reckon Pep would love to manage Liverpool.
Seems unlikely any time soon currently but don't rule it out in the future. There's not much loyalty in football these days.

Pep was the first manager to play Messi as more of a right forward instead of a winger and then eventually the false 9 though.

It's a chicken or egg scenario but personally don't see him consistently banging in 50+ a season if he was never converted to a false 9 which is all on Pep.

If he had started his career at some Espanyol or Mirandes like Klopp did started at Mainz then we would be having a completely different conversation.
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He started his career in the third tier of Spanish football and got the team promoted at their first attempt. He then had been offered lots of top jobs because he just keeps winning.