We need ball retention players in midfield though to replicate that PSG side.

I think Wirtz is more similar to Kvara. Etikite could be more of a Dembele through the middle.

We don't need to replicate them. Id take our midfield over theirs with Wirtz added. It's only up top they look better than us as individuals. New striker could sort that

I said at the time after the 1st leg, they reminded me of us under klopp. Can just beat you in so many ways. They have eveything.

Yeah slot spoke about good they were. VVD said it was the best team he has faced in 5 years (I'd assume since the battles with peps city in 18/19).

I dont think there is anyone in Europe close to being as complete as them

we don’t need to replicate PSG. We were poor against them definitely but still with a poor showing over two legs went to penalties. If Liverpool were on form they’d have won the tie, no doubt in my mind. That’s knockout competition for you. I thought the players looked tired and there wasn’t a whole lot of rotation throughout the season, whereas PSG looked fresh. They rested their whole team bar Neves before the second leg.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Liverpool placed as favourites for the competition next season.

Are they much better than us? They've managed 84 points in ligue 1 and we got 84 points in a much much much harder league. Really think people are waxing lyrical over them a bit too much. They are same bracket as us and not a lot in it at all.

comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 2 minutes ago
Are they much better than us? They've managed 84 points in ligue 1 and we got 84 points in a much much much harder league. Really think people are waxing lyrical over them a bit too much. They are same bracket as us and not a lot in it at all.
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Again its opinions. This isnt reactionary from me because they won it. I came on here and stated how gutted I was at drawing them as I thought they loomed the real deal. Theyve just gone on and got better ever since.

Wheres the weakness? I dont see any. Sure we are hopefully plugging our weaker areas but we have to see if these signings come in and do it 1st.

PSG’s full backs are awesome to be fair and they definitely have the edge in that regard, we will be more even if we tie up Kerkez though.

We were outplayed at their ground and if it wasn't for Alison we would have lost there. At Anfield it was 50%50. The team was chasing shadows and their midfield was superior technically.

They have a weakness on the counter if you play quickly past them. Even better would be to actually control the game and hold possession against them. They play a very similar style to the City teams before City brought Haaland in and started experimenting a little with inverted full backs and proper wingers, which obviously works extremely well when you have players who can keep the ball and move up the pitch as a unit. Neves looks an absolute smasher but in the games I’ve seen PSG play in the CL(only started really watching them after the Liverpool game) Vitinha has been outstanding with the ball.

comment by Boca Seniors (U19731)
posted 2 minutes ago
We were outplayed at their ground and if it wasn't for Alison we would have lost there. At Anfield it was 50%50. The team was chasing shadows and their midfield was superior technically.
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Yeah in Paris especially the player looked knocked chasing after the ball, it was a real shock to me how easy it was for PSG to keep possession with no pressure. I thought it was tactical at first but then I thought the players looked knackered, although perhaps that was from the chasing shadows the whole game. I’ve never seen a team do that to Liverpool apart from City.

Man for man where are they far and ahead? In attack, we actually outperform them statistically for goalscoring nearly across the board - Nunez matches doue even. Gakpo, Diaz and Jota all similar to Kvara. Barcola would win out though.
Goalkeeper id keep Allison. CBs id keep our 2. Rb Trent over hakimi (although he is class and definitely wins now Trent is gone). Lb yes they have us. Would we take any of their midfield over grav and AMA this year? I wouldn't. And even if szobo would be replaced, I'm not sure Wirtz would lose out to whichever midfielder you pick.

I'm sure there'll be some disagreement on a few of these but not sure there's going to be many where it's hands down. Basically, there's not much between us.

comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 3 minutes ago
Man for man where are they far and ahead? In attack, we actually outperform them statistically for goalscoring nearly across the board - Nunez matches doue even. Gakpo, Diaz and Jota all similar to Kvara. Barcola would win out though.
Goalkeeper id keep Allison. CBs id keep our 2. Rb Trent over hakimi (although he is class and definitely wins now Trent is gone). Lb yes they have us. Would we take any of their midfield over grav and AMA this year? I wouldn't. And even if szobo would be replaced, I'm not sure Wirtz would lose out to whichever midfielder you pick.

I'm sure there'll be some disagreement on a few of these but not sure there's going to be many where it's hands down. Basically, there's not much between us.
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Mate, we arent going to agree. You think theres nothing between the teams. I think there is. We'll learn soon enough. For what its worth I hope you are right.

Hakimi is more complete as a fullback. He can defend unlike Trent. Mendes is a better fullback than anyone we have. I would take Vitinha and Neves over Gravenberch and Szoboslai. Upfront I would have Kvara, Dembele and Salah.

wirtz > whoever

I think PSG are slightly ahead. If we do manage to sign Kerkez and Wirtz, plus replace Nunez then I really don’t think there’s much in it. Our GK and CB trio are better, their full backs are better. Midfield is a mix. AMA would get in their side over Ruiz imo. Grav & Neves coin flip. Vitinha would get in over Szobo, but Wirtz?

Their front 3 is special though. Only Salah would get in. Doue looks an incredible talent and Kvara is fantastic.

I think the tactics make a difference for their front players. They have an interchangeable front three and aren't touch line wingers like ours. I watched Dembele play on the right, left and through the middle yesterday.
That's why a striker like Ramos isn't starting for them.

But the stats don't back that up about their front 3. In the league, Diaz has a goal every 183 minutes, gakpo every 194, Jota every 199 and Kvara has one every 230 minutes (237 at Napoli). Nunez actually beats him with 224. Barcola is actually the one with a goal every 157 mins. Doue is way off with 289.

They have age on their side to be fair but none of ours are old (minus Salah). As it stands right now at this moment in time their attack is not measurably better than ours. Actually fairly clearly worse. In a worse league.

comment by Boca Seniors (U19731)
posted about 12 hours ago
Hakimi is more complete as a fullback. He can defend unlike Trent. Mendes is a better fullback than anyone we have. I would take Vitinha and Neves over Gravenberch and Szoboslai. Upfront I would have Kvara, Dembele and Salah.
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didnt watch him rinsed vs martinelli then? martinelli was in multiple times down his side was he not? if that was trent....

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Boca Seniors (U19731)
posted about 12 hours ago
Hakimi is more complete as a fullback. He can defend unlike Trent. Mendes is a better fullback than anyone we have. I would take Vitinha and Neves over Gravenberch and Szoboslai. Upfront I would have Kvara, Dembele and Salah.
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didnt watch him rinsed vs martinelli then? martinelli was in multiple times down his side was he not? if that was trent....
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Why do you always ask questions when you know the answer?

Paddy Power on the Premier League’s approach to rule breaches. A lot of truths here, I reckon

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1999k17Bfx/?mibextid=wwXIfr

comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 38 minutes ago
But the stats don't back that up about their front 3. In the league, Diaz has a goal every 183 minutes, gakpo every 194, Jota every 199 and Kvara has one every 230 minutes (237 at Napoli). Nunez actually beats him with 224. Barcola is actually the one with a goal every 157 mins. Doue is way off with 289.

They have age on their side to be fair but none of ours are old (minus Salah). As it stands right now at this moment in time their attack is not measurably better than ours. Actually fairly clearly worse. In a worse league.
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Stats are great but ultimately, I trust my eyes.

I’ve not watched PSG in the league but I’ve watched all their CL games since our tie. If you can watch their games and honestly tell me you think Kvara is no better than Diaz or Gakpo then I’m a bit speechless tbh. It’s absolutely clear.

Equally, if you can watch Doue and not think there is a special footballer emerging there, all I can say is that I strongly disagree.

We have our strengths and positions where we’re better than PSG. And I think after the summer transfer window we’ll be in an even better position. But they have real strengths as well.

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted about an hour ago
Paddy Power on the Premier League’s approach to rule breaches. A lot of truths here, I reckon

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1999k17Bfx/?mibextid=wwXIfr
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Too true to be funny unfortunately.

Us, PSG and Barca were the 3 best sides in Europe this season

Difficult to say who’s genuinely better but I guess PSG has the crown for now

comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 38 minutes ago
But the stats don't back that up about their front 3. In the league, Diaz has a goal every 183 minutes, gakpo every 194, Jota every 199 and Kvara has one every 230 minutes (237 at Napoli). Nunez actually beats him with 224. Barcola is actually the one with a goal every 157 mins. Doue is way off with 289.

They have age on their side to be fair but none of ours are old (minus Salah). As it stands right now at this moment in time their attack is not measurably better than ours. Actually fairly clearly worse. In a worse league.
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Stats are great but ultimately, I trust my eyes.

I’ve not watched PSG in the league but I’ve watched all their CL games since our tie. If you can watch their games and honestly tell me you think Kvara is no better than Diaz or Gakpo then I’m a bit speechless tbh. It’s absolutely clear.

Equally, if you can watch Doue and not think there is a special footballer emerging there, all I can say is that I strongly disagree.

We have our strengths and positions where we’re better than PSG. And I think after the summer transfer window we’ll be in an even better position. But they have real strengths as well.
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True to some extent but what I've heard a lot about Diaz is he's very good but his numbers let him down - his are better than Kara?!?!

And ye clear Doue will be class but he's not yet. Worse numbers than Nunez proves that. And I'm talking about right now today as the claim is we are notably behind PSG right now.

Do people think we would have made the final if we had got past PSG?

I’m not convinced personally. Listen I agree that we are probably alongside Barca and PSG as the top three teams when our players are fresh, but we rotated so little
this season and our players looked dead on their feet from about early February onwards, particularly in midfield.

Who knows whether the title race might have developed into something much closer if we had to be playing incredibly physically intense quarter and semi finals every 3 days against Villa and Arsenal respectively. Winning both those ties would have been really difficult.

Having to play only once a week since those PSG games helped us a lot I think.