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posted on 27/6/16

posted on 27/6/16

Osbourne accepts referendum result.

UK economy has to 'adjust accordingly'.

Here we go...

posted on 27/6/16

Let the back tracking commence;

Boris Johnson says the UK will continue to "intensify" co-operation with the EU following the country's vote to leave.
The leading pro-Leave campaigner said exit supporters must accept the 52-48 result was "not entirely overwhelming".
Writing in Monday's Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson dismissed Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second independence referendum saying there was little "appetite" for one.
It came as Jeremy Corbyn said he would stand in any Labour leadership contest.
Eleven members of the shadow front bench resigned on Sunday following the sacking of shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn, who told Mr Corbyn he had lost confidence in him.
In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush".

'Single market access'
His column said: "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.
"There will still be intense and intensifying European co-operation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.
"EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.
"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.
"The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."


Mugs, you Brexiteers have been taken for mugs

posted on 27/6/16

Osborne talks up Uk economy.

'Emergency budget' now referred to as an 'adjustment' and won't happen before October at the earliest.

He's staying put as chancellor. For now.

posted on 27/6/16

comment by Spaireland (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 3 minutes ago
We dithered about Yugoslavia, the US led the way in the end
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Anyone who says that the Dutch just let the Muslims be murdered has no facking clue of what happened, another example of misinformed people thinking they know it all. The people shouldnt even be allowed to vote on whether they have tea or coffee for breakfast.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/srebrenica-20-years-after-the-genocide-the-dutch-peacekeepers-still-haunted-by-memories-of-the-10378913.html

Pish poor planning and stratefy, from an EC with a fractured outlook on it.

posted on 27/6/16

"Sky News political editor Faisal Islam has been left speechless after claiming a Conservative pro-Brexit MP told him the Leave campaign “didn’t have a plan” for Brexit and “number 10 should have had one”."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/faisal-islam-brexit-no-plan_uk_576fe22ee4b0d2571149cffd

posted on 27/6/16

posted on 27/6/16

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 minutes ago
Let the back tracking commence;

Boris Johnson says the UK will continue to "intensify" co-operation with the EU following the country's vote to leave.
The leading pro-Leave campaigner said exit supporters must accept the 52-48 result was "not entirely overwhelming".
Writing in Monday's Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson dismissed Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second independence referendum saying there was little "appetite" for one.
It came as Jeremy Corbyn said he would stand in any Labour leadership contest.
Eleven members of the shadow front bench resigned on Sunday following the sacking of shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn, who told Mr Corbyn he had lost confidence in him.
In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush".

'Single market access'
His column said: "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.
"There will still be intense and intensifying European co-operation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.
"EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.
"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.
"The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."


Mugs, you Brexiteers have been taken for mugs


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How so?

Putting EU citizens minds at rest. I have no problem letting every single person from other EU states living here now (criminals the exception) being allowed to stay here indefinitely. It is right and fair.

Of course people from the EU will still be able to work here, and vice versa. Just as Americans do. Or Indians. Or Australians. Or Eritreans. And so on.

The comments from the German equivalent of the CBI are very promising. Our CBI have backtracked on their scaremongering.

The world has not ended.

Al Baghdadi is not celebrating in the street. Or Kim Jon Un, or Putin

The EU is actually talking of reform too

posted on 27/6/16

comment by Spaireland (U1250)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Spaireland (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 3 minutes ago
We dithered about Yugoslavia, the US led the way in the end
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Anyone who says that the Dutch just let the Muslims be murdered has no facking clue of what happened, another example of misinformed people thinking they know it all. The people shouldnt even be allowed to vote on whether they have tea or coffee for breakfast.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/srebrenica-20-years-after-the-genocide-the-dutch-peacekeepers-still-haunted-by-memories-of-the-10378913.html

Pish poor planning and stratefy, from an EC with a fractured outlook on it.

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Not saying no mistakes were made, its about claiming the Dutch just watched Muslims get murdered, To give you some background, I was in the Dutch army for 12 years. anyway its off topic.
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Not the troops fault, it was bad preperation

posted on 27/6/16

posted on 27/6/16

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 minutes ago
Let the back tracking commence;

Boris Johnson says the UK will continue to "intensify" co-operation with the EU following the country's vote to leave.
The leading pro-Leave campaigner said exit supporters must accept the 52-48 result was "not entirely overwhelming".
Writing in Monday's Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson dismissed Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second independence referendum saying there was little "appetite" for one.
It came as Jeremy Corbyn said he would stand in any Labour leadership contest.
Eleven members of the shadow front bench resigned on Sunday following the sacking of shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn, who told Mr Corbyn he had lost confidence in him.
In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush".

'Single market access'
His column said: "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.
"There will still be intense and intensifying European co-operation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.
"EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.
"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.
"The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."


Mugs, you Brexiteers have been taken for mugs


----------------------------------------------------------------------

How so?

Putting EU citizens minds at rest. I have no problem letting every single person from other EU states living here now (criminals the exception) being allowed to stay here indefinitely. It is right and fair.

Of course people from the EU will still be able to work here, and vice versa. Just as Americans do. Or Indians. Or Australians. Or Eritreans. And so on.

The comments from the German equivalent of the CBI are very promising. Our CBI have backtracked on their scaremongering.

The world has not ended.

Al Baghdadi is not celebrating in the street. Or Kim Jon Un, or Putin

The EU is actually talking of reform too

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. There will continue to be freedom of movement
2. So, there will be more immigration
3. We will lose the ability to contribute to EU laws
4. We will also lose the funding we get from the EU.

To summarise, all the brexiteers have voted for is to facilitate being taken up the jacksie without EU law or funding protecting them

posted on 27/6/16

I still think there will be a 2nd referendum myself.

Not because of a petition though (set up by a Leave supporter no less ), I believe the EU will offer us a better deal to try and keep us in.

If they do, I would have no real problem with it as the result was close.

If they were not so arrogant in the first place, it would have been an easy win for Remain.

posted on 27/6/16

The EU had this coming, tbh.

A few years ago the citizens rejected a European Constitution. France was the first country to do so, and the widespread sentiment as that it was not a Constitution for the people, but for the economic and business elites.

Instead of go back and hammer out the issues, the EU decided to create the Lisbon Treaty, which would not have to be put to the people.

Is this the death of the European project?

If it's the death of a European project for the elites, then perhaps Brexit might not turn out in the long run to be such a bad thing after all.

posted on 27/6/16

EU may refuse informal Brexit talks until UK triggers article 50

Brussels has given up hope that exit process will be formally launched at summit this week but wants it to begin soon

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/26/eu-may-refuse-informal-brexit-talks-until-uk-triggers-article-50

the longer this goes on the longer we stay in Europe

posted on 27/6/16

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 minutes ago
Let the back tracking commence;

Boris Johnson says the UK will continue to "intensify" co-operation with the EU following the country's vote to leave.
The leading pro-Leave campaigner said exit supporters must accept the 52-48 result was "not entirely overwhelming".
Writing in Monday's Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson dismissed Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second independence referendum saying there was little "appetite" for one.
It came as Jeremy Corbyn said he would stand in any Labour leadership contest.
Eleven members of the shadow front bench resigned on Sunday following the sacking of shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn, who told Mr Corbyn he had lost confidence in him.
In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush".

'Single market access'
His column said: "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.
"There will still be intense and intensifying European co-operation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.
"EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.
"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.
"The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."


Mugs, you Brexiteers have been taken for mugs


----------------------------------------------------------------------

How so?

Putting EU citizens minds at rest. I have no problem letting every single person from other EU states living here now (criminals the exception) being allowed to stay here indefinitely. It is right and fair.

Of course people from the EU will still be able to work here, and vice versa. Just as Americans do. Or Indians. Or Australians. Or Eritreans. And so on.

The comments from the German equivalent of the CBI are very promising. Our CBI have backtracked on their scaremongering.

The world has not ended.

Al Baghdadi is not celebrating in the street. Or Kim Jon Un, or Putin

The EU is actually talking of reform too

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. There will continue to be freedom of movement
2. So, there will be more immigration
3. We will lose the ability to contribute to EU laws
4. We will also lose the funding we get from the EU.

To summarise, all the brexiteers have voted for is to facilitate being taken up the jacksie without EU law or funding protecting them


----------------------------------------------------------------------

There is no EU funding, that is an oxymoron. It is our money, allocated by the EU.


posted on 27/6/16

2. So, there will be more immigration

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Thing is, if that plan of Johnsons is to come into effect in 2 years, those planning to come to the UK will do so in a shorter time frame.

So there will be a sharp rise in EU nationals over the next 18 months or so.

Leave voters (the ones that voted on immigration) will be bemused at the very least why they are seeing more EU nationals arriving when they voted for the opposite.

The points based system will have some measure of family already being in the UK as worth some points.

Extricating the UK from EU law is dodgy ground at the least. Which laws they start with will be telling.

At the moment employment laws and conditions of working environment are the best they've ever been.

I don't have a problem with any laws that are on the statute books at the moment.

posted on 27/6/16

Three more shadow cabinet members have announced resignations, heaping even more pressure on Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.

The resignations come after a turbulent Sunday, which began with Mr Corbyn sacking shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn on learning he had apparently been planning his downfall.

http://news.sky.com/story/1718067/corbyn-under-fire-more-labour-resignations

posted on 27/6/16

Diana Johnson, Toby Perkins and Anna
Turley have become the latest Labour MPs to resign from Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet

posted on 27/6/16

George Osborne says Britain won't start leaving the EU until a new Prime Minister is in office

The Chancellor said the decision should be delayed

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-article-50-eu-referendum-petition-george-osborne-new-prime-minister-a7105076.html

posted on 27/6/16

comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
EU may refuse informal Brexit talks until UK triggers article 50

Brussels has given up hope that exit process will be formally launched at summit this week but wants it to begin soon

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/26/eu-may-refuse-informal-brexit-talks-until-uk-triggers-article-50

the longer this goes on the longer we stay in Europe

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The informal talks really are telling as a lack of confidence in the motions from the Brexiteers.

Rather than being brave and pioneering, it smacks of fearing the uncertain.

It's like someone divorcing but trying to make sure they have another partner to fall back on before they do so as they're unsure of themselves and don't want to be left alone.

Arab, what's the latest from the FOREX desk?

posted on 27/6/16

comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt ... (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Three more shadow cabinet members have announced resignations, heaping even more pressure on Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.

The resignations come after a turbulent Sunday, which began with Mr Corbyn sacking shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn on learning he had apparently been planning his downfall.

http://news.sky.com/story/1718067/corbyn-under-fire-more-labour-resignations
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Labour are in a right state. This was supposed to be the trigger for a Tory civil war, but they are the ones going for it.



What side of the fence are you on this?

Should knowledgable MPs be trusted in their opinion of Corbyn, because the plebs who voted for him are clueless?

Or should the people be trusted to have made the right decision by democratically voting for Corbyn, and PLP should listen?

posted on 27/6/16

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
EU may refuse informal Brexit talks until UK triggers article 50

Brussels has given up hope that exit process will be formally launched at summit this week but wants it to begin soon

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/26/eu-may-refuse-informal-brexit-talks-until-uk-triggers-article-50

the longer this goes on the longer we stay in Europe

----------
The informal talks really are telling as a lack of confidence in the motions from the Brexiteers.

Rather than being brave and pioneering, it smacks of fearing the uncertain.

It's like someone divorcing but trying to make sure they have another partner to fall back on before they do so as they're unsure of themselves and don't want to be left alone.

Arab, what's the latest from the FOREX desk?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

We need a new PM in place, it is simple.

If Labour force another leadership battle then it should wait for that too. They need to be involved in discussions.


posted on 27/6/16

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 minutes ago
Let the back tracking commence;

Boris Johnson says the UK will continue to "intensify" co-operation with the EU following the country's vote to leave.
The leading pro-Leave campaigner said exit supporters must accept the 52-48 result was "not entirely overwhelming".
Writing in Monday's Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson dismissed Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second independence referendum saying there was little "appetite" for one.
It came as Jeremy Corbyn said he would stand in any Labour leadership contest.
Eleven members of the shadow front bench resigned on Sunday following the sacking of shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn, who told Mr Corbyn he had lost confidence in him.
In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush".

'Single market access'
His column said: "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.
"There will still be intense and intensifying European co-operation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.
"EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.
"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.
"The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."


Mugs, you Brexiteers have been taken for mugs


----------------------------------------------------------------------

How so?

Putting EU citizens minds at rest. I have no problem letting every single person from other EU states living here now (criminals the exception) being allowed to stay here indefinitely. It is right and fair.

Of course people from the EU will still be able to work here, and vice versa. Just as Americans do. Or Indians. Or Australians. Or Eritreans. And so on.

The comments from the German equivalent of the CBI are very promising. Our CBI have backtracked on their scaremongering.

The world has not ended.

Al Baghdadi is not celebrating in the street. Or Kim Jon Un, or Putin

The EU is actually talking of reform too

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. There will continue to be freedom of movement
2. So, there will be more immigration
3. We will lose the ability to contribute to EU laws
4. We will also lose the funding we get from the EU.

To summarise, all the brexiteers have voted for is to facilitate being taken up the jacksie without EU law or funding protecting them


----------------------------------------------------------------------

There is no EU funding, that is an oxymoron. It is our money, allocated by the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

All of it is our money? Is that what you are saying?

posted on 27/6/16

Labour is a joke, these red tories are an embarrassment. This is the time to stick together

posted on 27/6/16

EU sources say UK can delay Art 50 as it faces "very significant" crisis with lack of government and break up of UK

For the avoidance of doubt, EU officials never refer to member states being in "crisis". Never.

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