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comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 8 minutes ago
And as for the racist/xenophobic card being playerd by the left wing remainers, would you prefer to bring in a well qualified African doctor to work in teh NHS or give priority over a white Polish Sports Direct worker on a zero hours contract who gets priority while we are in teh EU?
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Wow, what an interesting way of twisting the facts to support your anti-Polish racist agenda.
Nursing is on the Shortage Occupation List, which means it is a non-EU immigration priority. Unfortunately there is a shortage of nursing staff (which includes doctors, before you try and be funny saying you never mentioned nurses) across EU member states so there are virtually NO nursing staff travelling to UK from elsewhere in EU.
As such most nursing staff come from non EU countries. The problem with that is there is a self imposed cap on non EU immigration (not EU mandated but a UK government cap). This cap stands at 20,700 and covers ALL occupations. Once the cap is reached then any extra applications are refused which is why the UK last year turned away 2,700 qualified nurses.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam-hamdy/uk-government-turned-away-2700-nurses_b_10275224.html
Again don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-Polish racist rant will you.
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so we're unable to get enough to work in the NHS despite have 330k net migration of mostly unskilled workers... sound like a pretty crap system. Good thing we voted leave
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Those 'mostly unskilled' EU workers are more than 30% more likely to have a degree level or above education than your average British adult.
comment by 'Galvino Did Flow' (U10415)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't wait to see what happens tbh
Either way someone is gonna be saying I told you so.
Both will be crying, but one will at least be smug about it.
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i'd like to think that if it all goes t.!.t.s. up the being smug will be the last thing that remainers will want to do...but i have noticed a certain amount of gloating on here already with each fall in sterling/the markets, and there are some people who have already said that they want to see the UK collapse just to teach people a lesson.
which is an odd thing in my opinion.
I can't believe how much hate Polish people get in this country, they are so much more hard working than some of the Brits who sit on their backside crying about immigrants taking their jobs.
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 8 minutes ago
And as for the racist/xenophobic card being playerd by the left wing remainers, would you prefer to bring in a well qualified African doctor to work in teh NHS or give priority over a white Polish Sports Direct worker on a zero hours contract who gets priority while we are in teh EU?
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Wow, what an interesting way of twisting the facts to support your anti-Polish racist agenda.
Nursing is on the Shortage Occupation List, which means it is a non-EU immigration priority. Unfortunately there is a shortage of nursing staff (which includes doctors, before you try and be funny saying you never mentioned nurses) across EU member states so there are virtually NO nursing staff travelling to UK from elsewhere in EU.
As such most nursing staff come from non EU countries. The problem with that is there is a self imposed cap on non EU immigration (not EU mandated but a UK government cap). This cap stands at 20,700 and covers ALL occupations. Once the cap is reached then any extra applications are refused which is why the UK last year turned away 2,700 qualified nurses.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam-hamdy/uk-government-turned-away-2700-nurses_b_10275224.html
Again don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-Polish racist rant will you.
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I'm not anti-Polish and I have Polish friends. My wifes small business has a lot of Polish and other European customers. The fact reamins that the cap on the non-EU immigrants is far lower because of the number of Europeans coming here on the free movement card. So unskkilled Europeans are able to move here when other better qualified people from around the world arent.
And I see people think having a degree means they are better qualifed. While to a degree (no pun intended) that is true it is also possible to get worthless degrees. And as Im talking about being able to allow the better qualified people to come here they may well meet the criteria anyway. You are just using your ideology and twisting what I said to try to make it fit your unmoving judgemental attitude that anyone who may think a bt differently from you must be a right wing racist idiot. I can assure you I am not. In fact you are more bigotted and despising of anyone different to you than I am.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
so we're unable to get enough to work in the NHS despite have 330k net migration of mostly unskilled workers... sound like a pretty crap system. Good thing we voted leave
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Why do you think voting Leave is going to change this?
It has already been confirmed by both brexit and remain camps that EU migration is not going to change.
It is not the EU that imposed the 20,700 cap on non-EU immigrants but our own government.
So again, with regard to the nursing staffing problem, what makes leaving such a good thing?
Please enlighten me because I don't see how voting leave has any benefit as far as the NHS staffing shortages are concerned but you must have some answers otherwise your 'Good thing we voted leave' statement makes no sense at all.
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 8 minutes ago
And as for the racist/xenophobic card being playerd by the left wing remainers, would you prefer to bring in a well qualified African doctor to work in teh NHS or give priority over a white Polish Sports Direct worker on a zero hours contract who gets priority while we are in teh EU?
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Wow, what an interesting way of twisting the facts to support your anti-Polish racist agenda.
Nursing is on the Shortage Occupation List, which means it is a non-EU immigration priority. Unfortunately there is a shortage of nursing staff (which includes doctors, before you try and be funny saying you never mentioned nurses) across EU member states so there are virtually NO nursing staff travelling to UK from elsewhere in EU.
As such most nursing staff come from non EU countries. The problem with that is there is a self imposed cap on non EU immigration (not EU mandated but a UK government cap). This cap stands at 20,700 and covers ALL occupations. Once the cap is reached then any extra applications are refused which is why the UK last year turned away 2,700 qualified nurses.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam-hamdy/uk-government-turned-away-2700-nurses_b_10275224.html
Again don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-Polish racist rant will you.
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so we're unable to get enough to work in the NHS despite have 330k net migration of mostly unskilled workers... sound like a pretty crap system. Good thing we voted leave
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Those 'mostly unskilled' EU workers are more than 30% more likely to have a degree level or above education than your average British adult.
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EU migrants with degrees will still most likely come here and work low paying jobs (making the degree irrelevant) because the minimum wage is so much higher. the point was we have high immigration and still can't get the amount of nurses we need, do you think that is a good system?
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 'Galvino Did Flow' (U10415)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't wait to see what happens tbh
Either way someone is gonna be saying I told you so.
Both will be crying, but one will at least be smug about it.
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i'd like to think that if it all goes t.!.t.s. up the being smug will be the last thing that remainers will want to do...but i have noticed a certain amount of gloating on here already with each fall in sterling/the markets, and there are some people who have already said that they want to see the UK collapse just to teach people a lesson.
which is an odd thing in my opinion.
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It's a ridiculous thing.
Anybody who actually wants Britain to suffer can't argue that they wanted the country to stay in for the good of the people.
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
so we're unable to get enough to work in the NHS despite have 330k net migration of mostly unskilled workers... sound like a pretty crap system. Good thing we voted leave
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Why do you think voting Leave is going to change this?
It has already been confirmed by both brexit and remain camps that EU migration is not going to change.
It is not the EU that imposed the 20,700 cap on non-EU immigrants but our own government.
So again, with regard to the nursing staffing problem, what makes leaving such a good thing?
Please enlighten me because I don't see how voting leave has any benefit as far as the NHS staffing shortages are concerned but you must have some answers otherwise your 'Good thing we voted leave' statement makes no sense at all.
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we don't know yet, it depends on what we negotiate. If we end up staying in the single market and having the same system of freedom of movement then yeah leaving will be utterly pointless
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 6 seconds ago
I'm not anti-Polish and I have Polish friends. My wifes small business has a lot of Polish and other European customers.
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I called you anti-Polish because you singled out a Polish immigrant, a white one at that.
You could have said EU immigrant but you chose to say 'white Polish Sports Direct worker' and in anyone's book that has racist overtones.
And as well as being better able to control who comes into this country, changes to migration wouls also allow us to take more refugees from war torn countries in the world who are in genuine need of moving to a safer country rather than from relatively safe European countries as economic migrants.
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 6 seconds ago
I'm not anti-Polish and I have Polish friends. My wifes small business has a lot of Polish and other European customers.
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I called you anti-Polish because you singled out a Polish immigrant, a white one at that.
You could have said EU immigrant but you chose to say 'white Polish Sports Direct worker' and in anyone's book that has racist overtones.
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I dumbed it down to a level I thought would be universally understood, no racism intended, but someone like you is so desperate to find racism that you cant accept that. Its attitudes like that which made a large contribution to the result of the referendum. Always looking for asomething that isnt there and pointing an accusing finger.
Genghis
I think the staffing problems with nursing is more to do with the absurd way that nurses leave the NHS and join agencies and work at inflated rates to cover the jobs that they left.
Fair due to them, but really we need to have a serious look at the whole problem of funding for the health service much of which was caused by the slight of hand by gordon Brown putting hospital trusts into unaffordable repayment contracts to builders.
Dollar is now £75.65, could reach £76 and over at the rate its going.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
we don't know yet, it depends on what we negotiate. If we end up staying in the single market and having the same system of freedom of movement then yeah leaving will be utterly pointless
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Do you believe that we will be able to negotiate trade deals with EU that don't require freedom of movement and at least some EU laws & regulations and that will not require the UK to pay a large proportion of the EU contributions we do now?
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TTIP being negotiated by the EU and US would have made it easer for US companies to buy up services in the NHS and then very difficult to take the services off them at any time in the future.
It was a far bigger risk to the NHS than Brexit is. If you dont know what TTIP is google it and look at teh headlines. It looks like it may be falling apart now that the US companies wont be able to buy into British services like the NHS. Part of the big attraction fro TTIP for the US was the drug companies buying into the NHS and forcing us to buy their cheaply made and overpriced drugs.
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
we don't know yet, it depends on what we negotiate. If we end up staying in the single market and having the same system of freedom of movement then yeah leaving will be utterly pointless
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Do you believe that we will be able to negotiate trade deals with EU that don't require freedom of movement and at least some EU laws & regulations and that will not require the UK to pay a large proportion of the EU contributions we do now?
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Britain is Germany's second biggest market adfter their own. Do you think they are going to risk losing our business?
And what are your views on the EU migrants who come here for 4-5 months a year to work. In case you dont know they do that as they are never officially classed as migrants and do not have to pay UK taxes until they have been here 6 months. They work the 4-5 months, take all of the money home, maybe pay tax on it there and with their lower cost of living they can afford to live for the rest of the year on money they have taken out of the British economy.
comment by Daz_GN2 (U1029)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt ... (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
Dollar is now £75.65, could reach £76 and over at the rate its going.
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Idiots who dont even know the difference between pounds and pence trying to scaremonger.
Took me several days to find out a vote for Leave was in fact a vote for qualified African doctors.
That's ok then.
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 4 minutes ago
I dumbed it down to a level I thought would be universally understood, no racism intended, but someone like you is so desperate to find racism that you cant accept that. Its attitudes like that which made a large contribution to the result of the referendum. Always looking for asomething that isnt there and pointing an accusing finger.
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I like the term you used. Dumbing down is something we're used to from the BBC et al. Well done
I don't need things dumbing down. I understand quite a lot. I can even use big words.
Now to the point at hand. You can go through ANY of my posts while I've been on this site & I have very rarely (if ever) have been accused of misinterpreting (see that a big word) a comment or article on here. I say it as I see it.
If as you say there was no racist intent then I am big enough to apologise but would suggest that if you have thought enough about your comment to be able to 'dumb it down' then you could have possibly have thought a bit more about the 'dumbed down' terminology used.
That being said, I stand by my statement that you have twisted the facts to support your agenda
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posted on 27/6/16
Brexit may be more difficult than most people imagine. By resigning and not triggering article 50 as he first promised is increasingly being seen as tactical move by Cameron. The leadership contest for the Tory party will be fought on who is prepared to push the button and the most likely candidate to win is the person who promises a "wait till its safe or the way ahead is clear" (i.e never), the whole issue then gets dragged into the next general election
posted on 27/6/16
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posted on 27/6/16
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 8 minutes ago
And as for the racist/xenophobic card being playerd by the left wing remainers, would you prefer to bring in a well qualified African doctor to work in teh NHS or give priority over a white Polish Sports Direct worker on a zero hours contract who gets priority while we are in teh EU?
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Wow, what an interesting way of twisting the facts to support your anti-Polish racist agenda.
Nursing is on the Shortage Occupation List, which means it is a non-EU immigration priority. Unfortunately there is a shortage of nursing staff (which includes doctors, before you try and be funny saying you never mentioned nurses) across EU member states so there are virtually NO nursing staff travelling to UK from elsewhere in EU.
As such most nursing staff come from non EU countries. The problem with that is there is a self imposed cap on non EU immigration (not EU mandated but a UK government cap). This cap stands at 20,700 and covers ALL occupations. Once the cap is reached then any extra applications are refused which is why the UK last year turned away 2,700 qualified nurses.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam-hamdy/uk-government-turned-away-2700-nurses_b_10275224.html
Again don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-Polish racist rant will you.
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so we're unable to get enough to work in the NHS despite have 330k net migration of mostly unskilled workers... sound like a pretty crap system. Good thing we voted leave
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Those 'mostly unskilled' EU workers are more than 30% more likely to have a degree level or above education than your average British adult.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by 'Galvino Did Flow' (U10415)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't wait to see what happens tbh
Either way someone is gonna be saying I told you so.
Both will be crying, but one will at least be smug about it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i'd like to think that if it all goes t.!.t.s. up the being smug will be the last thing that remainers will want to do...but i have noticed a certain amount of gloating on here already with each fall in sterling/the markets, and there are some people who have already said that they want to see the UK collapse just to teach people a lesson.
which is an odd thing in my opinion.
posted on 27/6/16
I can't believe how much hate Polish people get in this country, they are so much more hard working than some of the Brits who sit on their backside crying about immigrants taking their jobs.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 8 minutes ago
And as for the racist/xenophobic card being playerd by the left wing remainers, would you prefer to bring in a well qualified African doctor to work in teh NHS or give priority over a white Polish Sports Direct worker on a zero hours contract who gets priority while we are in teh EU?
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Wow, what an interesting way of twisting the facts to support your anti-Polish racist agenda.
Nursing is on the Shortage Occupation List, which means it is a non-EU immigration priority. Unfortunately there is a shortage of nursing staff (which includes doctors, before you try and be funny saying you never mentioned nurses) across EU member states so there are virtually NO nursing staff travelling to UK from elsewhere in EU.
As such most nursing staff come from non EU countries. The problem with that is there is a self imposed cap on non EU immigration (not EU mandated but a UK government cap). This cap stands at 20,700 and covers ALL occupations. Once the cap is reached then any extra applications are refused which is why the UK last year turned away 2,700 qualified nurses.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam-hamdy/uk-government-turned-away-2700-nurses_b_10275224.html
Again don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-Polish racist rant will you.
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I'm not anti-Polish and I have Polish friends. My wifes small business has a lot of Polish and other European customers. The fact reamins that the cap on the non-EU immigrants is far lower because of the number of Europeans coming here on the free movement card. So unskkilled Europeans are able to move here when other better qualified people from around the world arent.
And I see people think having a degree means they are better qualifed. While to a degree (no pun intended) that is true it is also possible to get worthless degrees. And as Im talking about being able to allow the better qualified people to come here they may well meet the criteria anyway. You are just using your ideology and twisting what I said to try to make it fit your unmoving judgemental attitude that anyone who may think a bt differently from you must be a right wing racist idiot. I can assure you I am not. In fact you are more bigotted and despising of anyone different to you than I am.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
so we're unable to get enough to work in the NHS despite have 330k net migration of mostly unskilled workers... sound like a pretty crap system. Good thing we voted leave
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do you think voting Leave is going to change this?
It has already been confirmed by both brexit and remain camps that EU migration is not going to change.
It is not the EU that imposed the 20,700 cap on non-EU immigrants but our own government.
So again, with regard to the nursing staffing problem, what makes leaving such a good thing?
Please enlighten me because I don't see how voting leave has any benefit as far as the NHS staffing shortages are concerned but you must have some answers otherwise your 'Good thing we voted leave' statement makes no sense at all.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 8 minutes ago
And as for the racist/xenophobic card being playerd by the left wing remainers, would you prefer to bring in a well qualified African doctor to work in teh NHS or give priority over a white Polish Sports Direct worker on a zero hours contract who gets priority while we are in teh EU?
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Wow, what an interesting way of twisting the facts to support your anti-Polish racist agenda.
Nursing is on the Shortage Occupation List, which means it is a non-EU immigration priority. Unfortunately there is a shortage of nursing staff (which includes doctors, before you try and be funny saying you never mentioned nurses) across EU member states so there are virtually NO nursing staff travelling to UK from elsewhere in EU.
As such most nursing staff come from non EU countries. The problem with that is there is a self imposed cap on non EU immigration (not EU mandated but a UK government cap). This cap stands at 20,700 and covers ALL occupations. Once the cap is reached then any extra applications are refused which is why the UK last year turned away 2,700 qualified nurses.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/adam-hamdy/uk-government-turned-away-2700-nurses_b_10275224.html
Again don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-Polish racist rant will you.
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so we're unable to get enough to work in the NHS despite have 330k net migration of mostly unskilled workers... sound like a pretty crap system. Good thing we voted leave
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Those 'mostly unskilled' EU workers are more than 30% more likely to have a degree level or above education than your average British adult.
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EU migrants with degrees will still most likely come here and work low paying jobs (making the degree irrelevant) because the minimum wage is so much higher. the point was we have high immigration and still can't get the amount of nurses we need, do you think that is a good system?
posted on 27/6/16
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 'Galvino Did Flow' (U10415)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can't wait to see what happens tbh
Either way someone is gonna be saying I told you so.
Both will be crying, but one will at least be smug about it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i'd like to think that if it all goes t.!.t.s. up the being smug will be the last thing that remainers will want to do...but i have noticed a certain amount of gloating on here already with each fall in sterling/the markets, and there are some people who have already said that they want to see the UK collapse just to teach people a lesson.
which is an odd thing in my opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's a ridiculous thing.
Anybody who actually wants Britain to suffer can't argue that they wanted the country to stay in for the good of the people.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
so we're unable to get enough to work in the NHS despite have 330k net migration of mostly unskilled workers... sound like a pretty crap system. Good thing we voted leave
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Why do you think voting Leave is going to change this?
It has already been confirmed by both brexit and remain camps that EU migration is not going to change.
It is not the EU that imposed the 20,700 cap on non-EU immigrants but our own government.
So again, with regard to the nursing staffing problem, what makes leaving such a good thing?
Please enlighten me because I don't see how voting leave has any benefit as far as the NHS staffing shortages are concerned but you must have some answers otherwise your 'Good thing we voted leave' statement makes no sense at all.
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we don't know yet, it depends on what we negotiate. If we end up staying in the single market and having the same system of freedom of movement then yeah leaving will be utterly pointless
posted on 27/6/16
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 6 seconds ago
I'm not anti-Polish and I have Polish friends. My wifes small business has a lot of Polish and other European customers.
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I called you anti-Polish because you singled out a Polish immigrant, a white one at that.
You could have said EU immigrant but you chose to say 'white Polish Sports Direct worker' and in anyone's book that has racist overtones.
posted on 27/6/16
And as well as being better able to control who comes into this country, changes to migration wouls also allow us to take more refugees from war torn countries in the world who are in genuine need of moving to a safer country rather than from relatively safe European countries as economic migrants.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 6 seconds ago
I'm not anti-Polish and I have Polish friends. My wifes small business has a lot of Polish and other European customers.
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I called you anti-Polish because you singled out a Polish immigrant, a white one at that.
You could have said EU immigrant but you chose to say 'white Polish Sports Direct worker' and in anyone's book that has racist overtones.
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I dumbed it down to a level I thought would be universally understood, no racism intended, but someone like you is so desperate to find racism that you cant accept that. Its attitudes like that which made a large contribution to the result of the referendum. Always looking for asomething that isnt there and pointing an accusing finger.
posted on 27/6/16
Genghis
I think the staffing problems with nursing is more to do with the absurd way that nurses leave the NHS and join agencies and work at inflated rates to cover the jobs that they left.
Fair due to them, but really we need to have a serious look at the whole problem of funding for the health service much of which was caused by the slight of hand by gordon Brown putting hospital trusts into unaffordable repayment contracts to builders.
posted on 27/6/16
Dollar is now £75.65, could reach £76 and over at the rate its going.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
we don't know yet, it depends on what we negotiate. If we end up staying in the single market and having the same system of freedom of movement then yeah leaving will be utterly pointless
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Do you believe that we will be able to negotiate trade deals with EU that don't require freedom of movement and at least some EU laws & regulations and that will not require the UK to pay a large proportion of the EU contributions we do now?
posted on 27/6/16
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posted on 27/6/16
TTIP being negotiated by the EU and US would have made it easer for US companies to buy up services in the NHS and then very difficult to take the services off them at any time in the future.
It was a far bigger risk to the NHS than Brexit is. If you dont know what TTIP is google it and look at teh headlines. It looks like it may be falling apart now that the US companies wont be able to buy into British services like the NHS. Part of the big attraction fro TTIP for the US was the drug companies buying into the NHS and forcing us to buy their cheaply made and overpriced drugs.
posted on 27/6/16
posted on 27/6/16
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
we don't know yet, it depends on what we negotiate. If we end up staying in the single market and having the same system of freedom of movement then yeah leaving will be utterly pointless
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Do you believe that we will be able to negotiate trade deals with EU that don't require freedom of movement and at least some EU laws & regulations and that will not require the UK to pay a large proportion of the EU contributions we do now?
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Britain is Germany's second biggest market adfter their own. Do you think they are going to risk losing our business?
And what are your views on the EU migrants who come here for 4-5 months a year to work. In case you dont know they do that as they are never officially classed as migrants and do not have to pay UK taxes until they have been here 6 months. They work the 4-5 months, take all of the money home, maybe pay tax on it there and with their lower cost of living they can afford to live for the rest of the year on money they have taken out of the British economy.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Daz_GN2 (U1029)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt ... (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
Dollar is now £75.65, could reach £76 and over at the rate its going.
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Idiots who dont even know the difference between pounds and pence trying to scaremonger.
posted on 27/6/16
Took me several days to find out a vote for Leave was in fact a vote for qualified African doctors.
That's ok then.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 4 minutes ago
I dumbed it down to a level I thought would be universally understood, no racism intended, but someone like you is so desperate to find racism that you cant accept that. Its attitudes like that which made a large contribution to the result of the referendum. Always looking for asomething that isnt there and pointing an accusing finger.
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I like the term you used. Dumbing down is something we're used to from the BBC et al. Well done
I don't need things dumbing down. I understand quite a lot. I can even use big words.
Now to the point at hand. You can go through ANY of my posts while I've been on this site & I have very rarely (if ever) have been accused of misinterpreting (see that a big word) a comment or article on here. I say it as I see it.
If as you say there was no racist intent then I am big enough to apologise but would suggest that if you have thought enough about your comment to be able to 'dumb it down' then you could have possibly have thought a bit more about the 'dumbed down' terminology used.
That being said, I stand by my statement that you have twisted the facts to support your agenda
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