comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Corbyn addressed rallies in north london where pira bands and supporters were gathered, for troops out demo's, after brighton,hyde park, enniskillen etc.

Sinn fein pira overlap n membership, and london bmber gerry kelly is part of the group corbyn backed, and again, no peace process was underway early eighties,but the far left supporter irish republcan militants.
Corbyn could have dealt with constitutional politicians,but opted for sectarian murder gangs, thus helping prolong violence.
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I'm not arguing in support of his actions. I honesty don't know how productive or counterproductive they were. He obviously worked then, as he does now, from a position of support for Irish Unification (which explains why he wouldn't have invited loyalists to Westminster in the 1980s and 1990s).

What I do believe is firstly, that he believed in and worked for a diplomatic solution, and secondly, that he has been consistent throughout his political career in condemning acts of violence.
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Listen, if corbyn was all about peace, he would invite all parties and combatants to negotiate, . Not favour one side completely over another, as that is not very diplomatic.
If he favoured the unification deal, the republican aspiration entailed uniting orange and green, not enforcing green upon orange....or catholic nationalism over protestant unionism.

In reality, he ignoredthe wisdom of theirish and british left, in order to provide cover for sectarian murder squads....pira

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I will endeavour to read up more on the subject. Thanks to both of you for your views and knowledge

I think we can all at least agree that we should condemn any and all the historical acts of violence on both sides, be massively grateful for a successful peace process, and hope that peace in Ireland endures always.

comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
Mane

I would think it was a particularly stupid thing to do as a politician. But the two situations are not comparable.

Again, I am not arguing that his actions were sensible or always constructive. And I cannot comment with the authority of some, as I was too young at the time to appreciate fully what was going on in Ireland, but I am still yet to see any statement of his supporting or condoning violent activity.
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If you go to a rally in london where thugs are chanting isis, jews out, kill brit soldiers and speak as a comrade of thiose people,you aresupporting and condo ing their violent acts and tactics.
If you go to a kkk rally, . Knowing what they stand for, and give cover to those who murder black people or black politicians or civil rights lawyers, . You are condoning and supporting violence.

If you invite Tommy Mair or hiis supporters to westminster, after the jo cox murder, what message does that send out.?

You are being naive, at best here.

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
What muck do people have on Dan Jarvis? Potential Labour leader candidate.
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Formerly in the Paras I think. One of those Labour MPs that looks unerringly toff-like.

You are being naive, at best here.
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Maybe so. As I said in my post above, I will endeavour to read up further on the subject

comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
I will endeavour to read up more on the subject. Thanks to both of you for your views and knowledge

I think we can all at least agree that we should condemn any and all the historical acts of violence on both sides, be massively grateful for a successful peace process, and hope that peace in Ireland endures always.
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There is peace in Northen Ireland, and beatiful Eire was free from most of the violence.

I condemn the paramilitary gangs on both sides, some of whom I have known, and I always advise folk health e and on the Rangers Celtic forums to shun the sectarianism and violence I have seen, and sadly, . Been apart of in the past.

Peace and good chatting tonight.

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
I will endeavour to read up more on the subject. Thanks to both of you for your views and knowledge

I think we can all at least agree that we should condemn any and all the historical acts of violence on both sides, be massively grateful for a successful peace process, and hope that peace in Ireland endures always.
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There is peace in Northen Ireland, and beatiful Eire was free from most of the violence.

I condemn the paramilitary gangs on both sides, some of whom I have known, and I always advise folk health e and on the Rangers Celtic forums to shun the sectarianism and violence I have seen, and sadly, . Been apart of in the past.

Peace and good chatting tonight.
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comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 11 seconds ago
You are being naive, at best here.
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Maybe so. As I said in my post above, I will endeavour to read up further on the subject
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No worries and sory if I came over too strongly, but good people lost their lives.
I was the hardline Protestant loyalist,but wised up, married a Falls Road educated Catholic girl, and now try to counter bigotry and violence.....although still have my moments😁.

We are all always learning Rosso,bud.

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 11 seconds ago
You are being naive, at best here.
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Maybe so. As I said in my post above, I will endeavour to read up further on the subject
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No worries and sory if I came over too strongly, but good people lost their lives.
I was the hardline Protestant loyalist,but wised up, married a Falls Road educated Catholic girl, and now try to counter bigotry and violence.....although still have my moments😁.

We are all always learning Rosso,bud.
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Not at all. I can appreciate the passion; I've met people on both sides of the fence who experienced losses.

Every single one of those is sad to me. We're all just people, and deep down far enough have everything in common.

comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 6 hours, 47 minutes ago
Mane

I would think it was a particularly stupid thing to do as a politician. But the two situations are not comparable.

Again, I am not arguing that his actions were sensible or always constructive. And I cannot comment with the authority of some, as I was too young at the time to appreciate fully what was going on in Ireland, but I am still yet to see any statement of his supporting or condoning violent activity.
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You're having a shocker here. If you can't see how his actions are supportive of terrorism, then there really is no telling you. By condemning the British Army when they mount an operation against a PIRA cell, who are about to carry out a bomb attack against them, is basically condoning terrorism. If you condone terrorism, you're backing their violent activity. It's blatantly obvious.

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comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
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What about the many who no doubt wanted to Leave, but were scared by the impending armageddon forecast?
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What like the markets taking a hammering?

Stock in various banks down 20-30%

Sterling taking a hammering.

Project fear has become project reality, but we don't like listening to experts.
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FFS. How many times do you have to be told that this was always going to happen? How stupid does a person have to be to think that this is now the long term norm?
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FFS don't you think this is actually costing us?!

This is all before we actually do Brexit as well, this is just the markets reacting to the shocking decision that we will exit the EU, the pain is a long way from over.
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The cost of a ratings drop from AAA to AA on interest payments alone based on current deficit will equate to between £170m and £690m for that year alone.
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Maybe the £350M figure was accurate for the NHS but they meant less.

Easy mistake to make...

comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford ... (U17054)
posted 8 hours ago
Corbyn has been very clear in condemning the atrocities committed against the British and the Irish people by both sides. To suggest otherwise is an outright lie.

On his contact with Sinn Fein on Radio Ulster last year:

“Quite simply, I maintained contact with Sinn Fein and believed that there had to be a political, not a military, solution to the situation in Northern Ireland."

“The British government developed that process, the Labour Party developed that process, and eventually we had agreement between the SDLP and Sinn Fein, which was the important step forward, and then the historic agreement between the generality of the Unionists and the generality of the republican movement.”

“We got the two ceasefires and eventually the Belfast agreement. Northern Ireland has taught the whole world an awful lot about resolving conflict by understanding the historical process of both communities."
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You do know he opposed the Good Friday Agreement don't you?

Revisionist nonsense

You do know he opposed the Good Friday Agreement don't you?

Revisionist nonsense
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Not sure that directly contradicts anything you just quoted.

http://m.newsletter.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-news/night-jeremy-corbyn-stood-in-honour-of-dead-ira-terrorists-1-7008757

One frequently reported claim from his past is that Mr Corbyn stood in honour of eight members of a RA gang who had been shot dead by the SAS in Loughgall in 1987 (as well as a civilian, who was wrongly targeted by the SAS).

The News Letter has searched for the original source of this claim, and found only a short reference to it in a publication called Politics Today, listed by Google Books as belonging to Conservative Central Office, 1988.

Politics Today in turn says that the story stems from an edition of the Sunday Express on May 17, 1987.

The British Library has provided the News Letter with a copy of the paper’s front page from that date.


It reads (under the headline ‘MP hails RA dead&rsquo: “Mr Jeremy Corbyn joined a 200-strong audience at London’s Conway Hall in paying tribute to the terrorists.

“Mr Corbyn, MP for Islington North, attacked the government’s Ulster policy and said troops should be pulled out of the Province.

“He told the meeting of the Wolfe Tone Society: ‘I’m happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland’.”



Read more: http://m.newsletter.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-news/night-jeremy-corbyn-stood-in-honour-of-dead-ira-terrorists-1-7008757#ixzz4CwheV4nO

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

Read that.

It is one thing to want a peaceful solution in Ireland.

It is quite another to be so partisan, toe-curlingly apologetic for murderers of many innocents (including children), and openly hostile to any solution which involves the other side such as the Good Friday Agreement

Well attending the funerals of your enemies is one good way to try and stop being enemies.

I'd also point out that still doesn't directly contradict the post you wrote. Would like to state again that attending your supposed enemies funerals sounds like a pretty good way of trying to get peace.

Are you trying to make out by attending funerals didn't want peace?

It is quite another to be so partisan, toe-curlingly apologetic for murderers of many innocents (including children),
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Are we trying to claim the British never caused any Irish casualties (including children)

Maybe rather than look for peace we should have continued to be at war because all sides have usually done terrible things so continuing the fighting is the ethical choice.....

Meant innocent rather than Irish but you get the drift....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3336127/IRA-sympathiser-John-McDonnell-said-bombs-bullets-unite-Ireland-joked-gutless-wimps-boycotted-meeting-knees-blown-off.html

John McDonnell said the 'ballot, the bomb and the bullet' would unite Ireland at the height of the RA's murderous war with Britain, it emerged today.

Labour's shadow chancellor also said councillors who boycotted pro-republican meeting he spoke at during the Troubles were 'gutless wimps' and joked that 'kneecapping might help change their mind'.

Mr McDonnell spoke out at a meeting attended by a Sinn Fein councillor from Northern Ireland in New Cross, south-east London in 1986 - a year where the RA murdered at least 13 people.

An account from the event was uncovered by The Times today where he was quoted as saying the 'ballot, the bullet and the bomb' would end British rule in Northern Ireland.

The newspaper found a piece on the meeting in the Deptford and Peckham Mercury, which said: 'Mr McDonnell went on to describe the Lewisham Labour councillors who had boycotted the meeting as 'gutless wimps' and joked that knee-capping might help to change their minds.'

Knee-capping was used by the RA to spread fear where their enemies were shot through the back of the knees, shattering the sockets and blowing off knee-caps.

The senior Labour MP's views on the RA have long been criticised after he said in 2003 their members should be 'honoured' for their 'bravery'.

He said: 'It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle'

'It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.

'The peace we have now is due to the action of the RA. Because of the bravery of the RA and people like Bobby Sands, we now have a peace process.'

TBH In the vast majority of those paragraphs the accusations seem to be....

Corbyn attending something were this was said...

Corbyn wrote in something where this was also wrote....

The rest seems to then go onto Corbyn's associates.

The major crime they are accused of?

Wanting a united Ireland.

Well how dare they, surely that is the most evil of all aims?

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That is the article you first linked me to regarding above.

Choose something else then the Daily Mail, more likely to get some sense of out the sun than them lot.

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
It is quite another to be so partisan, toe-curlingly apologetic for murderers of many innocents (including children),
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Are we trying to claim the British never caused any Irish casualties (including children)

Maybe rather than look for peace we should have continued to be at war because all sides have usually done terrible things so continuing the fighting is the ethical choice.....
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He opposed the one thing that has given relarive peace FFS.

Do you think pursuing a United Ireland line would mean peace? That it would not antagonise Loyalists?

Naive

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 31 seconds ago
That is the article you first linked me to regarding above.

Choose something else then the Daily Mail, more likely to get some sense of out the sun than them lot.
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It is from a Times investigation. McDonnell has acknowledged he said that.

Bury your head all you like