BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking 2m2 minutes ago
Liam Fox will launch campaign for Conservative Party leadership tomorrow, BBC understands
http://bbc.in/264XBZu
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
If any one candidate will be strong enough to not invoke article 50, it's May.
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The Tory membership will not vote for her then
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Depends what the Tory memberships views are on the Brexit doesn't it?
So much for democracy when 150,000 members can choose the next PM and promote his/her policies to the highest level.
On the figures polled it's a straight shootout between Johnson and May.
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We'll see what the Tory MPs do, but I'd be a little surprised if they served the Party Membership up with anything other than a choice between Johnson and May.
If they do that, I'd expect a Boris victory on the grounds of a) his role in the Leave campaign and commitment to an exit (May might have been relatively quiet, but she sided with Remain), and b) Boris's relative electability.
That said, it's not out of the question that Boris falters and we end up seeing May vs Crabb. All depends which MPs round behind Boris really. Can't see Hunt or <shudder> Fox getting past the first round of voting, at best.
Corbyn will have strong support from the grass roots
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comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
If any one candidate will be strong enough to not invoke article 50, it's May.
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The Tory membership will not vote for her then
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Depends what the Tory memberships views are on the Brexit doesn't it?
So much for democracy when 150,000 members can choose the next PM and promote his/her policies to the highest level.
On the figures polled it's a straight shootout between Johnson and May.
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We'll see what the Tory MPs do, but I'd be a little surprised if they served the Party Membership up with anything other than a choice between Johnson and May.
If they do that, I'd expect a Boris victory on the grounds of a) his role in the Leave campaign and commitment to an exit (May might have been relatively quiet, but she sided with Remain), and b) Boris's relative electability.
That said, it's not out of the question that Boris falters and we end up seeing May vs Crabb. All depends which MPs round behind Boris really. Can't see Hunt or <shudder> Fox getting past the first round of voting, at best.
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The favourite doesn't normally win in these Tory elections
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
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Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
Boris is pretty clever. Hes just a buffoon
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted less than a minute ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
If any one candidate will be strong enough to not invoke article 50, it's May.
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The Tory membership will not vote for her then
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Depends what the Tory memberships views are on the Brexit doesn't it?
So much for democracy when 150,000 members can choose the next PM and promote his/her policies to the highest level.
On the figures polled it's a straight shootout between Johnson and May.
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We'll see what the Tory MPs do, but I'd be a little surprised if they served the Party Membership up with anything other than a choice between Johnson and May.
If they do that, I'd expect a Boris victory on the grounds of a) his role in the Leave campaign and commitment to an exit (May might have been relatively quiet, but she sided with Remain), and b) Boris's relative electability.
That said, it's not out of the question that Boris falters and we end up seeing May vs Crabb. All depends which MPs round behind Boris really. Can't see Hunt or <shudder> Fox getting past the first round of voting, at best.
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The favourite doesn't normally win in these Tory elections
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That has been true in the last couple of decades, but I think the Tory MPs and Party will be thinking hard about both Europe and electability this time around.
Wowzers.
Forecasts stating economic growth next year to be 2.2% lower than previous forecast.
That's a reduction in growth amounting to £350m... every few days, never mind a week
Rosso
This is why people don't see Boris coming. He makes them think he isn't intelligent.
That is their mistake, because he is very clever indeed.
Just looked at demographics of the Party memberships - interesting reading.
The average age of the more than 200,000 (and growing) Labour Party members is now 42.
The *average* age of the now likely fewer than 100,000 (and falling) Conservative Party members is thought to be between 59 and 68
The exact figures for the Tories are unknown as they've stopped publishing information about the size and demographics of their membership.
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05125/SN05125.pdf
http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2015/10/05/aaron-bastani/labours-new-members/
This is why people don't see Boris coming. He makes them think he isn't intelligent
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If he was that intelligent he would have had a plan of how to lead a Brexit to boost his leadership bid.
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
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Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
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Crabb second behind Boris on being in touch with the concerns of the ordinary people?! Clearly Tory party members have never had to try and claim benefits lately...
Redinthehead
Do you ever stop talking bollox?
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
Rosso
This is why people don't see Boris coming. He makes them think he isn't intelligent.
That is their mistake, because he is very clever indeed.
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He's a very clever politician indeed, I'll give him that.
He manages to hide his elitism very well, is pretty nimble - a populist and pragmatist, and has a way with the media and public.
If I were a right wing ideologue (which I certainly ain't!) he'd be the no-brainer choice for me.
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
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Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
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Crabb second behind Boris on being in touch with the concerns of the ordinary people?! Clearly Tory party members have never had to try and claim benefits lately...
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Very highly unlikely for the majority of them I would think...
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT... (U13718)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
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Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
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Crabb second behind Boris on being in touch with the concerns of the ordinary people?! Clearly Tory party members have never had to try and claim benefits lately...
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Most Ordinary people don't claim benefits
Faisal Islam @faisalislam 4m4 minutes ago
very senior Leave MP just told me it was the talk of Tories - Andrea Leadsom on the leadership ballot paper tonight - unconfirmed.
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT... (U13718)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
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Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
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Crabb second behind Boris on being in touch with the concerns of the ordinary people?! Clearly Tory party members have never had to try and claim benefits lately...
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Most Ordinary people don't claim benefits
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They will be soon once the forecast recession starts kicking in.
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Currently not far off 5 million people are reliant on Housing Benefit whilst rental prices skyrocket and tens of thousands of flats lie empty across metropolitan areas.
3 million people rely on Disability Living Allowance.
2.5 million people rely on Employment and Support Allowance. Many of these are temporary and permanent employees with low wage, limited hours contracts.
These are just the top three benefits (leaving the 12 million or so drawing state pensions aside).
In short, many millions of ordinary people are absolutely reliant on benefits to survive.
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Currently not far off 5 million people are reliant on Housing Benefit whilst rental prices skyrocket and tens of thousands of flats lie empty across metropolitan areas.
3 million people rely on Disability Living Allowance.
2.5 million people rely on Employment and Support Allowance. Many of these are temporary and permanent employees with low wage, limited hours contracts.
These are just the top three benefits (leaving the 12 million or so drawing state pensions aside).
In short, many millions of ordinary people are absolutely reliant on benefits to survive.
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There are more than 80,000 empty habitable residential properties in London alone.
And we have thousands of homeless people on the streets. That, my friends, is a fecking crime.
#4za and rosso have both touched on what I'm try to get at. My best mate's bro has autism which requires 24hr supervision and the amount of hoops he has to jump through to get PIP is ludicrous, particularly given the amount of people the government is employing checking up on it all. IDS was and now Crabb is hell bent on making claiming difficult to the point people just give up when the figures involved are dwarfed by legal tax avoidance by the wealthy.
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
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There are more than 80,000 empty habitable residential properties in London alone.
And we have thousands of homeless people on the streets. That, my friends, is a fecking crime.
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It's very dumb owners, but I don't see any relationship between not letting a privately owned property and homelessness.
If they let the properties the homeless would still have no home.
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 10 minutes ago
#4za and rosso have both touched on what I'm try to get at. My best mate's bro has autism which requires 24hr supervision and the amount of hoops he has to jump through to get PIP is ludicrous, particularly given the amount of people the government is employing checking up on it all. IDS was and now Crabb is hell bent on making claiming difficult to the point people just give up when the figures involved are dwarfed by legal tax avoidance by the wealthy.
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Total benefits and tax credit fraud is estimated at c. £1.6bn per annum. This is less than 1% of total benefits and tax credit expenditure.
Total estimated cost of tax evasion is £70bn per annum. Total estimated cost of tax avoidance is £25bn per annum.
But of course it's the benefit fraudsters we should be focussing on.
http://www.cas.org.uk/features/myth-busting-real-figures-benefit-fraud
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posted on 29/6/16
BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking 2m2 minutes ago
Liam Fox will launch campaign for Conservative Party leadership tomorrow, BBC understands
http://bbc.in/264XBZu
posted on 29/6/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
If any one candidate will be strong enough to not invoke article 50, it's May.
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The Tory membership will not vote for her then
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Depends what the Tory memberships views are on the Brexit doesn't it?
So much for democracy when 150,000 members can choose the next PM and promote his/her policies to the highest level.
On the figures polled it's a straight shootout between Johnson and May.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We'll see what the Tory MPs do, but I'd be a little surprised if they served the Party Membership up with anything other than a choice between Johnson and May.
If they do that, I'd expect a Boris victory on the grounds of a) his role in the Leave campaign and commitment to an exit (May might have been relatively quiet, but she sided with Remain), and b) Boris's relative electability.
That said, it's not out of the question that Boris falters and we end up seeing May vs Crabb. All depends which MPs round behind Boris really. Can't see Hunt or <shudder> Fox getting past the first round of voting, at best.
posted on 29/6/16
Corbyn will have strong support from the grass roots
posted on 29/6/16
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford ... (U17054)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
If any one candidate will be strong enough to not invoke article 50, it's May.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Tory membership will not vote for her then
-----------------------------
Depends what the Tory memberships views are on the Brexit doesn't it?
So much for democracy when 150,000 members can choose the next PM and promote his/her policies to the highest level.
On the figures polled it's a straight shootout between Johnson and May.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We'll see what the Tory MPs do, but I'd be a little surprised if they served the Party Membership up with anything other than a choice between Johnson and May.
If they do that, I'd expect a Boris victory on the grounds of a) his role in the Leave campaign and commitment to an exit (May might have been relatively quiet, but she sided with Remain), and b) Boris's relative electability.
That said, it's not out of the question that Boris falters and we end up seeing May vs Crabb. All depends which MPs round behind Boris really. Can't see Hunt or <shudder> Fox getting past the first round of voting, at best.
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The favourite doesn't normally win in these Tory elections
posted on 29/6/16
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
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Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
posted on 29/6/16
Boris is pretty clever. Hes just a buffoon
posted on 29/6/16
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford ... (U17054)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
If any one candidate will be strong enough to not invoke article 50, it's May.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Tory membership will not vote for her then
-----------------------------
Depends what the Tory memberships views are on the Brexit doesn't it?
So much for democracy when 150,000 members can choose the next PM and promote his/her policies to the highest level.
On the figures polled it's a straight shootout between Johnson and May.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We'll see what the Tory MPs do, but I'd be a little surprised if they served the Party Membership up with anything other than a choice between Johnson and May.
If they do that, I'd expect a Boris victory on the grounds of a) his role in the Leave campaign and commitment to an exit (May might have been relatively quiet, but she sided with Remain), and b) Boris's relative electability.
That said, it's not out of the question that Boris falters and we end up seeing May vs Crabb. All depends which MPs round behind Boris really. Can't see Hunt or <shudder> Fox getting past the first round of voting, at best.
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The favourite doesn't normally win in these Tory elections
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That has been true in the last couple of decades, but I think the Tory MPs and Party will be thinking hard about both Europe and electability this time around.
posted on 29/6/16
Wowzers.
Forecasts stating economic growth next year to be 2.2% lower than previous forecast.
That's a reduction in growth amounting to £350m... every few days, never mind a week
posted on 29/6/16
Rosso
This is why people don't see Boris coming. He makes them think he isn't intelligent.
That is their mistake, because he is very clever indeed.
posted on 29/6/16
Just looked at demographics of the Party memberships - interesting reading.
The average age of the more than 200,000 (and growing) Labour Party members is now 42.
The *average* age of the now likely fewer than 100,000 (and falling) Conservative Party members is thought to be between 59 and 68
The exact figures for the Tories are unknown as they've stopped publishing information about the size and demographics of their membership.
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05125/SN05125.pdf
http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2015/10/05/aaron-bastani/labours-new-members/
posted on 29/6/16
This is why people don't see Boris coming. He makes them think he isn't intelligent
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If he was that intelligent he would have had a plan of how to lead a Brexit to boost his leadership bid.
posted on 29/6/16
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
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Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Crabb second behind Boris on being in touch with the concerns of the ordinary people?! Clearly Tory party members have never had to try and claim benefits lately...
posted on 29/6/16
Redinthehead
Do you ever stop talking bollox?
posted on 29/6/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
Rosso
This is why people don't see Boris coming. He makes them think he isn't intelligent.
That is their mistake, because he is very clever indeed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's a very clever politician indeed, I'll give him that.
He manages to hide his elitism very well, is pretty nimble - a populist and pragmatist, and has a way with the media and public.
If I were a right wing ideologue (which I certainly ain't!) he'd be the no-brainer choice for me.
posted on 29/6/16
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
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Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Crabb second behind Boris on being in touch with the concerns of the ordinary people?! Clearly Tory party members have never had to try and claim benefits lately...
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Very highly unlikely for the majority of them I would think...
posted on 29/6/16
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT... (U13718)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Crabb second behind Boris on being in touch with the concerns of the ordinary people?! Clearly Tory party members have never had to try and claim benefits lately...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most Ordinary people don't claim benefits
posted on 29/6/16
Faisal Islam @faisalislam 4m4 minutes ago
very senior Leave MP just told me it was the talk of Tories - Andrea Leadsom on the leadership ballot paper tonight - unconfirmed.
posted on 29/6/16
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT... (U13718)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
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Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Crabb second behind Boris on being in touch with the concerns of the ordinary people?! Clearly Tory party members have never had to try and claim benefits lately...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most Ordinary people don't claim benefits
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They will be soon once the forecast recession starts kicking in.
posted on 29/6/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 29/6/16
Currently not far off 5 million people are reliant on Housing Benefit whilst rental prices skyrocket and tens of thousands of flats lie empty across metropolitan areas.
3 million people rely on Disability Living Allowance.
2.5 million people rely on Employment and Support Allowance. Many of these are temporary and permanent employees with low wage, limited hours contracts.
These are just the top three benefits (leaving the 12 million or so drawing state pensions aside).
In short, many millions of ordinary people are absolutely reliant on benefits to survive.
posted on 29/6/16
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Currently not far off 5 million people are reliant on Housing Benefit whilst rental prices skyrocket and tens of thousands of flats lie empty across metropolitan areas.
3 million people rely on Disability Living Allowance.
2.5 million people rely on Employment and Support Allowance. Many of these are temporary and permanent employees with low wage, limited hours contracts.
These are just the top three benefits (leaving the 12 million or so drawing state pensions aside).
In short, many millions of ordinary people are absolutely reliant on benefits to survive.
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There are more than 80,000 empty habitable residential properties in London alone.
And we have thousands of homeless people on the streets. That, my friends, is a fecking crime.
posted on 29/6/16
#4za and rosso have both touched on what I'm try to get at. My best mate's bro has autism which requires 24hr supervision and the amount of hoops he has to jump through to get PIP is ludicrous, particularly given the amount of people the government is employing checking up on it all. IDS was and now Crabb is hell bent on making claiming difficult to the point people just give up when the figures involved are dwarfed by legal tax avoidance by the wealthy.
posted on 30/6/16
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
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There are more than 80,000 empty habitable residential properties in London alone.
And we have thousands of homeless people on the streets. That, my friends, is a fecking crime.
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It's very dumb owners, but I don't see any relationship between not letting a privately owned property and homelessness.
If they let the properties the homeless would still have no home.
posted on 30/6/16
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 10 minutes ago
#4za and rosso have both touched on what I'm try to get at. My best mate's bro has autism which requires 24hr supervision and the amount of hoops he has to jump through to get PIP is ludicrous, particularly given the amount of people the government is employing checking up on it all. IDS was and now Crabb is hell bent on making claiming difficult to the point people just give up when the figures involved are dwarfed by legal tax avoidance by the wealthy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Total benefits and tax credit fraud is estimated at c. £1.6bn per annum. This is less than 1% of total benefits and tax credit expenditure.
Total estimated cost of tax evasion is £70bn per annum. Total estimated cost of tax avoidance is £25bn per annum.
But of course it's the benefit fraudsters we should be focussing on.
http://www.cas.org.uk/features/myth-busting-real-figures-benefit-fraud
posted on 30/6/16
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