comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
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There are more than 80,000 empty habitable residential properties in London alone.
And we have thousands of homeless people on the streets. That, my friends, is a fecking crime.
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It's very dumb owners, but I don't see any relationship between not letting a privately owned property and homelessness.
If they let the properties the homeless would still have no home.
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My point is a more basic humanitarian one: there are long-term empty habitable buildings, and there are people on the streets, freezing - sometimes to death - because they cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads.
"My point is a more basic humanitarian one: there are long-term empty habitable buildings, and there are people on the streets, freezing - sometimes to death - because they cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads."
I see the tragic irony in it.
But no solution to be had by linking the two things.
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 10 minutes ago
#4za and rosso have both touched on what I'm try to get at. My best mate's bro has autism which requires 24hr supervision and the amount of hoops he has to jump through to get PIP is ludicrous, particularly given the amount of people the government is employing checking up on it all. IDS was and now Crabb is hell bent on making claiming difficult to the point people just give up when the figures involved are dwarfed by legal tax avoidance by the wealthy.
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Total benefits and tax credit fraud is estimated at c. £1.6bn per annum. This is less than 1% of total benefits and tax credit expenditure.
Total estimated cost of tax evasion is £70bn per annum. Total estimated cost of tax avoidance is £25bn per annum.
But of course it's the benefit fraudsters we should be focussing on.
http://www.cas.org.uk/features/myth-busting-real-figures-benefit-fraud
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The government and the right wing media have done a great job demonising and stereotyping benefit claimants.
Total estimated cost of tax evasion is £70bn per annum. Total estimated cost of tax avoidance is £25bn per annum
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There is the tragedy. Elitist media barons, billionaires giving millions in campaign funds, protected.
Sometimes via their own instruments.
While the attention is focused on immigrants (who provide a benefit to the economy) less able to defend themselves who don't have an official voice to speak for them.
For the record, £350m a week is about £18bn a year.
We could easily see the NHS fine tuned and capable from either of those tax avoidance / evasion figures.
How many would rather have seen;
"£400m a week lost on tax avoidande? Let's find our NHS instead"
On the side of a bus?
I would
As ever the masses have been distracted from the real issue while the exponents of the same can make use of the immigrant labour to boost their earnings even more.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Total estimated cost of tax evasion is £70bn per annum. Total estimated cost of tax avoidance is £25bn per annum
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There is the tragedy. Elitist media barons, billionaires giving millions in campaign funds, protected.
Sometimes via their own instruments.
While the attention is focused on immigrants (who provide a benefit to the economy) less able to defend themselves who don't have an official voice to speak for them.
For the record, £350m a week is about £18bn a year.
We could easily see the NHS fine tuned and capable from either of those tax avoidance / evasion figures.
How many would rather have seen;
"£400m a week lost on tax avoidande? Let's find our NHS instead"
On the side of a bus?
I would
As ever the masses have been distracted from the real issue while the exponents of the same can make use of the immigrant labour to boost their earnings even more.
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Spot on
*£400m a week lost on tax avoidance? Let's fund our NHS instead
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Both are huge figures.
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It's facked
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT... (U13718)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
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Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
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Crabb second behind Boris on being in touch with the concerns of the ordinary people?! Clearly Tory party members have never had to try and claim benefits lately...
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Most Ordinary people don't claim benefits
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They will be soon once the forecast recession starts kicking in.
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I thought End of Days had already happened? Oh, wait a minute, the market recovered to a higher position than before the vote, didn't it?
By describing everyone else as 'the masses', you're actually considering yourself an elitist, or at the very least, superior
If revised terms were offered - an ability (if a govt wished) to put a cap on annual numbers of migration, and freedom to choose if they receive in-work benefits to help manage it - I would not have a problem having another referendum.
It is not my only concern at all, and I would still vote to leave, but it was a concern for many and I feel if this was originally on the table it would have been an easy Remain win. It would probably swing a new referendum.
I am not a win-at-all costs person. I would not sulk if it went the other way.
However.....
If we have another referendum on the same terms (if there is Tory/Labour/Lib/SNP consensus) there will be 17m unhappy voters.
17m is more than any PM has ever been elected on.
Talk of four major parties maybbe true in terms of seats, but the party who would gain most from this is the one who actually polled more votes than the Libs and SNP combined.
UKIP polled 3.9m votes
Labour 9.4m
A 2.75m swing would do it.
Growing disaffection with Labour among their base, a sense of an elite not listening to the people, and an angry vote more likely to put an X in the box of the only party who theoretically agree with them on their decision could see a "careful what you wish for" scenario
Term, I think that's you right? Can't tell with the name change...
We were always going to see a shock reaction and recovery in the stock markets, particularly the FTSE 100 which are huge multinationals which won't be affected much either way.
The FTSE 250 is still down though and these are companies which tend to be more UK-centric and thus more affected by UK political events. The pound is also still at the lowest point against the dollar in my lifetime.
Anyway, it's all pretty meaningless at the moment because we won't see the true effect until the withdrawal process begins. Here's a piece of forecasting by the EIU, people who know much more about Economics than anyone on JA:
http://country.eiu.com/article.aspx?articleid=1054365689&Country=United%20Kingdom&topic=Economy&subtopic=Forecast&subsubtopic=Economic+growth
It makes for pretty grim reading.
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Redinthehead
Not sure who said it but I believe they're intentionally underfunding the NHS.. Until it gets to a stage where it has to go private. They have more than enough to give to the NHS.
Tax avoidance and avoidance is a murky area. All these global corporations that are channeling their money through several different countries to avoid paying tax. Is that evasion or avoidance.. Read something silly that Amazon only paid 1m tax on their profits..? Might have been a different company but you get my point.. These big corps are never chased. HMRC instead prefer to chase the little guy that's barely making any money.
The Economist made their Remain position clear.
It is no surprise they would have such a negative outlook.
You do get a sense that a proportion of Remain voters are actively hoping the economy does badly
Because the idea they may be wrong is unpalatable
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Footsie
I don't know the ins and outs of how the NHS is given money but I don't think all is as it seems. Why are they cutting NHS budgets.. Why are not chasing these companies for potential huge tax bills.
The market drops "Look at what you've done, the end is near!"
The market rises "It's too soon to see a difference, the apocalypse won't start until further down the line"
Most economists are saying that they did not expect the market to rise so quickly. Let's accept the fact it's all guess work and that they are completely out of their depth. Our economy will grow if we positively work towards that goal, it will recess if we continually scaremonger and put off investors.
comment by Wearethefamous THFC .. Bored of Football (U19211)
posted 5 minutes ago
problem with the NHS is that it pours money down the sink
No point just keep chucking money at it if its not done properly
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That's nonsense. The only money being wasted on the NHS are the funds going to the already privatised sections as they've been sold off to dodgy companies with links to the political elite - it's all a scam to make money.
Science
What parts have been privatised?
comment by Science (U19684)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Wearethefamous THFC .. Bored of Football (U19211)
posted 5 minutes ago
problem with the NHS is that it pours money down the sink
No point just keep chucking money at it if its not done properly
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That's nonsense. The only money being wasted on the NHS are the funds going to the already privatised sections as they've been sold off to dodgy companies with links to the political elite - it's all a scam to make money.
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My brother in law is a medical technician in the NHS. An £80 computer monitor costs them £400 as they need to buy it from specific medical suppliers who jack up the priceprice of everything. Plenty money burned on the NHS unnecessarily.
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 1 minute ago
The market drops "Look at what you've done, the end is near!"
The market rises "It's too soon to see a difference, the apocalypse won't start until further down the line"
Most economists are saying that they did not expect the market to rise so quickly. Let's accept the fact it's all guess work and that they are completely out of their depth. Our economy will grow if we positively work towards that goal, it will recess if we continually scaremonger and put off investors.
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The only "growth" lately has been adding debt from extra lending. Just like you can say more people are employed if 1000 people are on 1 hour pw contracts than if there's 999 working on 40 hpw contracts. It's Tory spin at it's finest.
We need to start investing in public services, housing and taxing those who have the most money in the world.
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posted on 30/6/16
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
----------------------
There are more than 80,000 empty habitable residential properties in London alone.
And we have thousands of homeless people on the streets. That, my friends, is a fecking crime.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's very dumb owners, but I don't see any relationship between not letting a privately owned property and homelessness.
If they let the properties the homeless would still have no home.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point is a more basic humanitarian one: there are long-term empty habitable buildings, and there are people on the streets, freezing - sometimes to death - because they cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads.
posted on 30/6/16
"My point is a more basic humanitarian one: there are long-term empty habitable buildings, and there are people on the streets, freezing - sometimes to death - because they cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads."
I see the tragic irony in it.
But no solution to be had by linking the two things.
posted on 30/6/16
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 10 minutes ago
#4za and rosso have both touched on what I'm try to get at. My best mate's bro has autism which requires 24hr supervision and the amount of hoops he has to jump through to get PIP is ludicrous, particularly given the amount of people the government is employing checking up on it all. IDS was and now Crabb is hell bent on making claiming difficult to the point people just give up when the figures involved are dwarfed by legal tax avoidance by the wealthy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Total benefits and tax credit fraud is estimated at c. £1.6bn per annum. This is less than 1% of total benefits and tax credit expenditure.
Total estimated cost of tax evasion is £70bn per annum. Total estimated cost of tax avoidance is £25bn per annum.
But of course it's the benefit fraudsters we should be focussing on.
http://www.cas.org.uk/features/myth-busting-real-figures-benefit-fraud
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The government and the right wing media have done a great job demonising and stereotyping benefit claimants.
posted on 30/6/16
Total estimated cost of tax evasion is £70bn per annum. Total estimated cost of tax avoidance is £25bn per annum
--------------
There is the tragedy. Elitist media barons, billionaires giving millions in campaign funds, protected.
Sometimes via their own instruments.
While the attention is focused on immigrants (who provide a benefit to the economy) less able to defend themselves who don't have an official voice to speak for them.
For the record, £350m a week is about £18bn a year.
We could easily see the NHS fine tuned and capable from either of those tax avoidance / evasion figures.
How many would rather have seen;
"£400m a week lost on tax avoidande? Let's find our NHS instead"
On the side of a bus?
I would
As ever the masses have been distracted from the real issue while the exponents of the same can make use of the immigrant labour to boost their earnings even more.
posted on 30/6/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Total estimated cost of tax evasion is £70bn per annum. Total estimated cost of tax avoidance is £25bn per annum
--------------
There is the tragedy. Elitist media barons, billionaires giving millions in campaign funds, protected.
Sometimes via their own instruments.
While the attention is focused on immigrants (who provide a benefit to the economy) less able to defend themselves who don't have an official voice to speak for them.
For the record, £350m a week is about £18bn a year.
We could easily see the NHS fine tuned and capable from either of those tax avoidance / evasion figures.
How many would rather have seen;
"£400m a week lost on tax avoidande? Let's find our NHS instead"
On the side of a bus?
I would
As ever the masses have been distracted from the real issue while the exponents of the same can make use of the immigrant labour to boost their earnings even more.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on
posted on 30/6/16
*£400m a week lost on tax avoidance? Let's fund our NHS instead
posted on 30/6/16
Avoidance or evasion?
posted on 30/6/16
Both are huge figures.
posted on 30/6/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Both are huge figures.
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It's facked
posted on 30/6/16
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT... (U13718)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - carry me back to the Stretford End (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Tory leadership contest, candidates' strength according to Tory members:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJmbuPWYAIpsTr.jpg:large
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Most intelligent: Boris
What sort of meds are the senile old cyunts on?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Crabb second behind Boris on being in touch with the concerns of the ordinary people?! Clearly Tory party members have never had to try and claim benefits lately...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most Ordinary people don't claim benefits
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They will be soon once the forecast recession starts kicking in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I thought End of Days had already happened? Oh, wait a minute, the market recovered to a higher position than before the vote, didn't it?
posted on 30/6/16
By describing everyone else as 'the masses', you're actually considering yourself an elitist, or at the very least, superior
posted on 30/6/16
If revised terms were offered - an ability (if a govt wished) to put a cap on annual numbers of migration, and freedom to choose if they receive in-work benefits to help manage it - I would not have a problem having another referendum.
It is not my only concern at all, and I would still vote to leave, but it was a concern for many and I feel if this was originally on the table it would have been an easy Remain win. It would probably swing a new referendum.
I am not a win-at-all costs person. I would not sulk if it went the other way.
However.....
If we have another referendum on the same terms (if there is Tory/Labour/Lib/SNP consensus) there will be 17m unhappy voters.
17m is more than any PM has ever been elected on.
Talk of four major parties maybbe true in terms of seats, but the party who would gain most from this is the one who actually polled more votes than the Libs and SNP combined.
UKIP polled 3.9m votes
Labour 9.4m
A 2.75m swing would do it.
Growing disaffection with Labour among their base, a sense of an elite not listening to the people, and an angry vote more likely to put an X in the box of the only party who theoretically agree with them on their decision could see a "careful what you wish for" scenario
posted on 30/6/16
Term, I think that's you right? Can't tell with the name change...
We were always going to see a shock reaction and recovery in the stock markets, particularly the FTSE 100 which are huge multinationals which won't be affected much either way.
The FTSE 250 is still down though and these are companies which tend to be more UK-centric and thus more affected by UK political events. The pound is also still at the lowest point against the dollar in my lifetime.
Anyway, it's all pretty meaningless at the moment because we won't see the true effect until the withdrawal process begins. Here's a piece of forecasting by the EIU, people who know much more about Economics than anyone on JA:
http://country.eiu.com/article.aspx?articleid=1054365689&Country=United%20Kingdom&topic=Economy&subtopic=Forecast&subsubtopic=Economic+growth
It makes for pretty grim reading.
posted on 30/6/16
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posted on 30/6/16
Redinthehead
Not sure who said it but I believe they're intentionally underfunding the NHS.. Until it gets to a stage where it has to go private. They have more than enough to give to the NHS.
Tax avoidance and avoidance is a murky area. All these global corporations that are channeling their money through several different countries to avoid paying tax. Is that evasion or avoidance.. Read something silly that Amazon only paid 1m tax on their profits..? Might have been a different company but you get my point.. These big corps are never chased. HMRC instead prefer to chase the little guy that's barely making any money.
posted on 30/6/16
The Economist made their Remain position clear.
It is no surprise they would have such a negative outlook.
posted on 30/6/16
You do get a sense that a proportion of Remain voters are actively hoping the economy does badly
Because the idea they may be wrong is unpalatable
posted on 30/6/16
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posted on 30/6/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 30/6/16
Footsie
I don't know the ins and outs of how the NHS is given money but I don't think all is as it seems. Why are they cutting NHS budgets.. Why are not chasing these companies for potential huge tax bills.
posted on 30/6/16
The market drops "Look at what you've done, the end is near!"
The market rises "It's too soon to see a difference, the apocalypse won't start until further down the line"
Most economists are saying that they did not expect the market to rise so quickly. Let's accept the fact it's all guess work and that they are completely out of their depth. Our economy will grow if we positively work towards that goal, it will recess if we continually scaremonger and put off investors.
posted on 30/6/16
comment by Wearethefamous THFC .. Bored of Football (U19211)
posted 5 minutes ago
problem with the NHS is that it pours money down the sink
No point just keep chucking money at it if its not done properly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's nonsense. The only money being wasted on the NHS are the funds going to the already privatised sections as they've been sold off to dodgy companies with links to the political elite - it's all a scam to make money.
posted on 30/6/16
Science
What parts have been privatised?
posted on 30/6/16
comment by Science (U19684)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Wearethefamous THFC .. Bored of Football (U19211)
posted 5 minutes ago
problem with the NHS is that it pours money down the sink
No point just keep chucking money at it if its not done properly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's nonsense. The only money being wasted on the NHS are the funds going to the already privatised sections as they've been sold off to dodgy companies with links to the political elite - it's all a scam to make money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My brother in law is a medical technician in the NHS. An £80 computer monitor costs them £400 as they need to buy it from specific medical suppliers who jack up the priceprice of everything. Plenty money burned on the NHS unnecessarily.
posted on 30/6/16
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 1 minute ago
The market drops "Look at what you've done, the end is near!"
The market rises "It's too soon to see a difference, the apocalypse won't start until further down the line"
Most economists are saying that they did not expect the market to rise so quickly. Let's accept the fact it's all guess work and that they are completely out of their depth. Our economy will grow if we positively work towards that goal, it will recess if we continually scaremonger and put off investors.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The only "growth" lately has been adding debt from extra lending. Just like you can say more people are employed if 1000 people are on 1 hour pw contracts than if there's 999 working on 40 hpw contracts. It's Tory spin at it's finest.
We need to start investing in public services, housing and taxing those who have the most money in the world.
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