comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 6 seconds ago
"I do believe that the Muslim community have a responsibility to report suspected extremists"

Do you think the non-Muslim community have the same responsibility to report non-Muslim extremists? Like Dave down the pub? Should he be reported for saying he hates P+kis and thinks they should all be sent home/killed? Maybe he should, but I bet he isn't.
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Depends if Dave down the pub is a gobsheiite who is always saying things like this, or has suddenly changed character and is very likely to put actions to his words.
He isn't saying he will kill the P+kis, just they should be killed, so I would suggest he is just spouting hate that he has no intention of backing up. But you know Dave better than me, so the judgement is yours.

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 7 minutes ago
"I do believe that the Muslim community have a responsibility to report suspected extremists"

Do you think the non-Muslim community have the same responsibility to report non-Muslim extremists? Like Dave down the pub? Should he be reported for saying he hates P+kis and thinks they should all be sent home/killed? Maybe he should, but I bet he isn't.
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I said in the very next sentence that all communities have the responsibility to report suspected extremists.

Sounds to me like Dave down the pub is a possible extremist.

You were a bit quick to find inequality in my comment I think. Best of luck with your crusade though.

comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 7 minutes ago
"I do believe that the Muslim community have a responsibility to report suspected extremists"

Do you think the non-Muslim community have the same responsibility to report non-Muslim extremists? Like Dave down the pub? Should he be reported for saying he hates P+kis and thinks they should all be sent home/killed? Maybe he should, but I bet he isn't.
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I said in the very next sentence that all communities have the responsibility to report suspected extremists.

Sounds to me like Dave down the pub is a possible extremist.

You were a bit quick to find inequality in my comment I think. Best of luck with your crusade though.


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Muslims have a responsibility??? We ALL have s responsibility! How the f can Muslims report something they don't know?? Do you take responsibility (presume you are white) for black slavery? Did you say the same about Catholics and church goers after the scandals of child abuse??? Ridiculous comment to make

comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 7 minutes ago
"I do believe that the Muslim community have a responsibility to report suspected extremists"

Do you think the non-Muslim community have the same responsibility to report non-Muslim extremists? Like Dave down the pub? Should he be reported for saying he hates P+kis and thinks they should all be sent home/killed? Maybe he should, but I bet he isn't.
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I said in the very next sentence that all communities have the responsibility to report suspected extremists.

Sounds to me like Dave down the pub is a possible extremist.

You were a bit quick to find inequality in my comment I think. Best of luck with your crusade though.


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Muslims have a responsibility??? We ALL have s responsibility! How the f can Muslims report something they don't know?? Do you take responsibility (presume you are white) for black slavery? Did you say the same about Catholics and church goers after the scandals of child abuse??? Ridiculous comment to make
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Which is exactly what I said..


comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)

posted 31 minutes ago

Sure - the Imam should've reported the behaviour. Those who seem him chanting in the street should report that behaviour, if only in a "this probably isn't anything, but..." way.

However - the vast majority (if not in fact all?) of those who have been responsible for terror attacks have already been known to the police. I believe this one was too.

Now what?

I do believe that the Muslim community have a responsibility to report suspected extremists, all communities have that responsibility. But short of arresting all those who have displayed "suspicious behavior" which clearly we can not do, we're pretty defenceless.

We monitor them and try to foil the attacks (quite successfully from what I've read) but there's a horrible inevitably that some won't be prevented. I really don't know what the answer is, nobody does.

Completely not the point Flashy. Trying to make the point that people very rarely report others no matter what their behaviour - nothing to do with trying to find inequality, just changing the context. ffs. Not everything is an attack on your very being. <roll_fecking_eyes>

But you asked me a question with which I had, in the very next sentence of my original comment, answered?

Whether or not people very rarely report...I believe they should. And said so.

Muslim or non-Muslim.

I'll just hand around for Afridi's apology but whilst I'm here killing time, I'll address his other comments.

I wasn't asking Muslims to take responsibility for the crimes of other Muslims. So I don't understand the need to bring up historic crimes like slavery and child abuse.

comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 4 minutes ago
But you asked me a question with which I had, in the very next sentence of my original comment, answered?

Whether or not people very rarely report...I believe they should. And said so.

Muslim or non-Muslim.
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Sorry, the first line probably asked an unnecessary question yes. The point was really about how often when faced with any given situation people will probably assume someone else isn't going to actually do something that warrants involving the police.

I only brought in Dave in the pub to put it into a context that might be more familiar to people. I know I've met plenty of bigoted a55holes in pubs over the years, and haven't reported any of them to the Police.

Maybe I should have, but I didn't, and most don't.

I'll add, that people are clever and complex things that can very easily hide their true feelings to people around them if they feel the need to.

Totally agree.

Perhaps a large amount of their initial intelligence comes from the muslim community? Perhaps they don't release this information as they want the community to feel protected and those within the community to feel able to speak / act more openly without fear of "grasses"? Who knows..

My main point was really that - whilst there's the responsibility to report, doing so doesn't really alter the landscape a HUGE amount anyhow as it seems as though all that commit these attacks are known to the police anyway.

"there's the responsibility to report, doing so doesn't really alter the landscape a HUGE amount"

Trouble is, there is a HUGE impact on the person doing the reporting - particularly if it turns out their suspicions were wrong. There's not much coming back from that situation, you're suddenly the bad guy for trying to do a good thing.

 Do you take responsibility (presume you are white) for black slavery?

Bit different

There's a bigger impact on the person who doesn't report, wouldn't you say?

Get what you mean though and I would hope that a totally anonymous method of reporting is in place.

There is. You can do it online

Although according to the us and France. The Manchester bombers family had previously reported him as dangerous

Which is my whole point - reporting is great and gets them on the watchlist.

Doesn't stop anything though..

In fact frank Gardner said 2 people reported him 5 years ago and last year, so something doesn't work

He was unemployed yet living in a 3 bedroom council house on his own.

The City Council should have been all over him anyway when there's 1,000s of people on the housing waiting list.

Shocking profile..

Seems his Dad has links to terror organisations and appears to be proud of his son's actions.

He's now been arrested in Tripoli, I hope they execute him.

comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson #WeStandTogether (U5901)
posted 31 seconds ago
Seems his Dad has links to terror organisations and appears to be proud of his son's actions.

He's now been arrested in Tripoli, I hope they execute him.
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Where have you got this from. The interview he gave was completely different to what your insinuating.

Turns out Didsbury and Burton Road is a hotbed of Islamic radicalisation

comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)

posted 1 minute ago

comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson #WeStandTogether (U5901)
posted 31 seconds ago
Seems his Dad has links to terror organisations and appears to be proud of his son's actions.

He's now been arrested in Tripoli, I hope they execute him.
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Where have you got this from. The interview he gave was completely different to what your insinuating.
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BBC news about 5 minutes ago.

comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)

posted 2 minutes ago

Turns out Didsbury and Burton Road is a hotbed of Islamic radicalisation
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Stop talking out of your ar5e.

Didsbury....feckin hell.