melts, that’s true but appealing to the people that hold those views doesn’t address the root issues either. As you’ve mentioned, it’s about education, and as a result that’ll always be a slow burner. And they need to apply pressure to authority, and despite my dislike of the Tory government I think they’ll always be more sympathetic to these appeals than people that oppose the movement over its wording.
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Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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Go do some reading. It’s all out there. I’m not here to be your teacher.
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It’s Time to Go, if you agree please do what Coleman and Fox have failed to do and tell me why the analogies are so different.
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Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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I don't think Robb really understands systemic racism or what it means, he sees things in black or white, have you quickly glanced at some snippets online or not, X Vs Y. This is how Robb has always come across on this site and he's really not good for debate about something like this
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Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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I don't think Robb really understands systemic racism or what it means, he sees things in black or white, have you quickly glanced at some snippets online or not, X Vs Y. This is how Robb has always come across on this site and he's really not good for debate about something like this
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I’m sorry, who are you? You suck at whatever it is you’re trying to do
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Black Lives Matter means the same thing as Black Lives Matter Too
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To you it does but I would imagine that a lot of people wouldn’t agree with you. Adding ‘too’ has far less for people to (rightly or wrongly) get their backs up or dismiss the movement arbitrarily based purely on a slogan.
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Those people will always find something to complain about. The name really isn’t that big an issue. A minority of idiots don’t get it but it’s been that way for centuries one way of another
But I do like the irony of a bunch of white people on here deciding what is an acceptable name for a black movement to have
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Mate don’t do your usual pot-stirring, it’s really not helpful. We’re having a reasonable debate about it which is I’m sure part of what the movement desires.
With comments like this you’re only going to encourage comments such as “oh the irony of a bunch of white people protesting for BLM whilst a lot of mostly black people steal trainers and destroy black-owned business in their own community”
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Pot stirring? You want to change the name of an entire movement because you feel it doesn’t convey the right message. It’s not about you. The job of BLM isn’t to be some accountable PR movement for White people to agree on. The name says all it needs to. Changing it won’t make racist people any less racist
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Don’t be so ridiculous and reductive mate; you did exactly the same to Elvis.
You know I’m talking about renaming it for its own benefit? I’ve already said that they might have already considered all of this and deliberately chosen BLM and I specifically said it’s their choice it’s their movement.
Please don’t be so ridiculous as I’ve not stated anything that is ridiculous that warrants such a reply from you. Some people are somewhat OTT but please don’t reply to me as if I’m someone that goes way too far (on either side).
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Black Lives Matter means the same thing as Black Lives Matter Too
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To you it does but I would imagine that a lot of people wouldn’t agree with you. Adding ‘too’ has far less for people to (rightly or wrongly) get their backs up or dismiss the movement arbitrarily based purely on a slogan.
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Those people will always find something to complain about. The name really isn’t that big an issue. A minority of idiots don’t get it but it’s been that way for centuries one way of another
But I do like the irony of a bunch of white people on here deciding what is an acceptable name for a black movement to have
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It's not about what is acceptable Robb. It's about what is most effective. You are missing the point
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You think it’s more effective. Doesn’t mean it is. BLM seems very effective. They don’t need to pander to people who want to make the name more friendly to insecure people
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The main purpose of the BLM movent is to educate. And many of the very people that it aims to educate are being immediately switched off the message by the slogan. I don't think that is effective.
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Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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Go do some reading. It’s all out there. I’m not here to be your teacher.
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Can’t find these offshoots on the internet for one
What logic is their to defund the police when we are already strapped for coppers? Stop trying to wriggle out of your ridiculous comment
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Black Lives Matter means the same thing as Black Lives Matter Too
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To you it does but I would imagine that a lot of people wouldn’t agree with you. Adding ‘too’ has far less for people to (rightly or wrongly) get their backs up or dismiss the movement arbitrarily based purely on a slogan.
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Those people will always find something to complain about. The name really isn’t that big an issue. A minority of idiots don’t get it but it’s been that way for centuries one way of another
But I do like the irony of a bunch of white people on here deciding what is an acceptable name for a black movement to have
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It's not about what is acceptable Robb. It's about what is most effective. You are missing the point
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You think it’s more effective. Doesn’t mean it is. BLM seems very effective. They don’t need to pander to people who want to make the name more friendly to insecure people
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The main purpose of the BLM movent is to educate. And many of the very people that it aims to educate are being immediately switched off the message by the slogan. I don't think that is effective.
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That isn’t their main aim
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melts, that’s true but appealing to the people that hold those views doesn’t address the root issues either. As you’ve mentioned, it’s about education, and as a result that’ll always be a slow burner. And they need to apply pressure to authority, and despite my dislike of the Tory government I think they’ll always be more sympathetic to these appeals than people that oppose the movement over its wording.
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Yeah agree with that and by within I meant the fix had to come from white people rather than from within that group in particular, which, by extension, means the government in terms of sorting out the education system.
They do need as much help and pressure as possible put on by everyone to enact that change though. Even take today, windrush day and the Tory government has still done so little to sort that out, something of their own making.
People that immediately switch off the message due to the slogan aren’t open to being educated.
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Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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Go do some reading. It’s all out there. I’m not here to be your teacher.
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Can’t find these offshoots on the internet for one
What logic is their to defund the police when we are already strapped for coppers? Stop trying to wriggle out of your ridiculous comment
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Educate yourself
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/20/defund-the-police-social-control-investment-donald-trump-protests-race-george-floyd
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People that immediately switch off the message due to the slogan aren’t open to being educated.
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Some might be though mate, some. And it would be a shame to lose them by not adding ‘too’ for example.
Like I’ve said several times though, it’s their movement and they can call it whatever they think is best.
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Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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Go do some reading. It’s all out there. I’m not here to be your teacher.
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Can’t find these offshoots on the internet for one
What logic is their to defund the police when we are already strapped for coppers? Stop trying to wriggle out of your ridiculous comment
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Just to flip the question round. where in the intentions of the black lives matter movement does it mention defunding the police?
melts, yeah I did get what you meant. But that’s why I think using the approach that has served the liberal voice well is a more effective way to go to apply pressure to make change. I just don’t think people that are opposed to the message will be responsive to it however it’s framed.
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“We’re raising awareness for racism against blacks people ”
Colemanballs: “what about all the other types of racism. You probably don’t know, but there are other types of racism out there”
“We’re raising awareness for breast cancer”
Colemanballs: “what about all the other types of cancers. You probably don’t know, but there are other types of cancer out there”
“We’re raising awareness for child abuse”
Colemanballs: “what about all the other types of abuse. You probably don’t know, but there are other types of abuse out there”
Please, please tell me why the principles behind any of these stupid statements are different when one is being talked about against an anti-racism statement. When does it become apparent to some that sadly there are just some users who have issues with anti-racism, for whatever reason.
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Right off the bat you're way off the mark.
For a start, all types of cancer are treated as being a problem. If somebody sees the breast cancer awareness campaign and asks 'what about testicular cancer?', they can very quickly be directed to a testicular cancer awareness group or charity etc. Essentially, the question doesn't need to be asked. There is alternative movement or campaign to direct them so your analogy just breaks down. I could point out further issues with it but I don't see the point if I'm honest, I don't think you're asking because you're genuinely interested in why this is a bad analogy. You're asking because you think it's given you a 'gotcha' moment and that's never going to lead to a reasoned discussion.
As I said, a lot of these issues cross over with social problems and aren't exclusively experienced by one particular race and so feel they identify with some of the problems but are excluded from discussing them at the same time. Sadly I feel I have to add that this isn't necessarily my point of view, it's an observation of other people's point of view. Whether you agree or disagree isn't important, it's why they feel that way and how that can be changed.
Discussing this with anything other than absolute submission to the perspective that you personally are conveying is not akin to having a problem with anti racism.
It's such a blatant straw man.
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Black Lives Matter means the same thing as Black Lives Matter Too
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To you it does but I would imagine that a lot of people wouldn’t agree with you. Adding ‘too’ has far less for people to (rightly or wrongly) get their backs up or dismiss the movement arbitrarily based purely on a slogan.
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Those people will always find something to complain about. The name really isn’t that big an issue. A minority of idiots don’t get it but it’s been that way for centuries one way of another
But I do like the irony of a bunch of white people on here deciding what is an acceptable name for a black movement to have
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It's not about what is acceptable Robb. It's about what is most effective. You are missing the point
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You think it’s more effective. Doesn’t mean it is. BLM seems very effective. They don’t need to pander to people who want to make the name more friendly to insecure people
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The main purpose of the BLM movent is to educate. And many of the very people that it aims to educate are being immediately switched off the message by the slogan. I don't think that is effective.
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That isn’t their main aim
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I should perhaps have said main weapon/tool rather than aim. But you get the point. A slogan that turns off a large proportion of your target demographic isn't a strong choice.
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People that immediately switch off the message due to the slogan aren’t open to being educated.
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Some might be though mate, some. And it would be a shame to lose them by not adding ‘too’ for example.
Like I’ve said several times though, it’s their movement and they can call it whatever they think is best.
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I just don’t agree. Especially now it’s reached the point it has.
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Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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Go do some reading. It’s all out there. I’m not here to be your teacher.
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Can’t find these offshoots on the internet for one
What logic is their to defund the police when we are already strapped for coppers? Stop trying to wriggle out of your ridiculous comment
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Just to flip the question round. where in the intentions of the black lives matter movement does it mention defunding the police?
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It is one of their intentions. Robb thinks by posting an article from the guardian of all papers that suits the argument that there is logic in defunding the police. Unbelievable
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melts, yeah I did get what you meant. But that’s why I think using the approach that has served the liberal voice well is a more effective way to go to apply pressure to make change. I just don’t think people that are opposed to the message will be responsive to it however it’s framed.
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You think that no-one would be responsive or that most wouldn’t? My point is that even if very few become responsive, then it’s a good thing.
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Black Lives Matter means the same thing as Black Lives Matter Too
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To you it does but I would imagine that a lot of people wouldn’t agree with you. Adding ‘too’ has far less for people to (rightly or wrongly) get their backs up or dismiss the movement arbitrarily based purely on a slogan.
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Those people will always find something to complain about. The name really isn’t that big an issue. A minority of idiots don’t get it but it’s been that way for centuries one way of another
But I do like the irony of a bunch of white people on here deciding what is an acceptable name for a black movement to have
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It's not about what is acceptable Robb. It's about what is most effective. You are missing the point
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You think it’s more effective. Doesn’t mean it is. BLM seems very effective. They don’t need to pander to people who want to make the name more friendly to insecure people
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The main purpose of the BLM movent is to educate. And many of the very people that it aims to educate are being immediately switched off the message by the slogan. I don't think that is effective.
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That isn’t their main aim
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I should perhaps have said main weapon/tool rather than aim. But you get the point. A slogan that turns off a large proportion of your target demographic isn't a strong choice.
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But how do you know it’s a large proportion? Not trying to wum you here but there seems to be an imagined high number of people put off by the name when in reality it seems to be doing just fine.
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People that immediately switch off the message due to the slogan aren’t open to being educated.
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Or they are too stupid to see the true meaning of it. Trust me, there are plenty that are just too dumb to see that the slogan doesn't mean black lives are more important than white. They read and ALM post on Facebook and agree with it without giving it any real thought.
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melts, that’s true but appealing to the people that hold those views doesn’t address the root issues either. As you’ve mentioned, it’s about education, and as a result that’ll always be a slow burner. And they need to apply pressure to authority, and despite my dislike of the Tory government I think they’ll always be more sympathetic to these appeals than people that oppose the movement over its wording.
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Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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Go do some reading. It’s all out there. I’m not here to be your teacher.
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Ffs It’s time to go 🙁
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It’s Time to Go, if you agree please do what Coleman and Fox have failed to do and tell me why the analogies are so different.
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Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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I don't think Robb really understands systemic racism or what it means, he sees things in black or white, have you quickly glanced at some snippets online or not, X Vs Y. This is how Robb has always come across on this site and he's really not good for debate about something like this
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Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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I don't think Robb really understands systemic racism or what it means, he sees things in black or white, have you quickly glanced at some snippets online or not, X Vs Y. This is how Robb has always come across on this site and he's really not good for debate about something like this
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I’m sorry, who are you? You suck at whatever it is you’re trying to do
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Black Lives Matter means the same thing as Black Lives Matter Too
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To you it does but I would imagine that a lot of people wouldn’t agree with you. Adding ‘too’ has far less for people to (rightly or wrongly) get their backs up or dismiss the movement arbitrarily based purely on a slogan.
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Those people will always find something to complain about. The name really isn’t that big an issue. A minority of idiots don’t get it but it’s been that way for centuries one way of another
But I do like the irony of a bunch of white people on here deciding what is an acceptable name for a black movement to have
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Mate don’t do your usual pot-stirring, it’s really not helpful. We’re having a reasonable debate about it which is I’m sure part of what the movement desires.
With comments like this you’re only going to encourage comments such as “oh the irony of a bunch of white people protesting for BLM whilst a lot of mostly black people steal trainers and destroy black-owned business in their own community”
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Pot stirring? You want to change the name of an entire movement because you feel it doesn’t convey the right message. It’s not about you. The job of BLM isn’t to be some accountable PR movement for White people to agree on. The name says all it needs to. Changing it won’t make racist people any less racist
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Don’t be so ridiculous and reductive mate; you did exactly the same to Elvis.
You know I’m talking about renaming it for its own benefit? I’ve already said that they might have already considered all of this and deliberately chosen BLM and I specifically said it’s their choice it’s their movement.
Please don’t be so ridiculous as I’ve not stated anything that is ridiculous that warrants such a reply from you. Some people are somewhat OTT but please don’t reply to me as if I’m someone that goes way too far (on either side).
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Black Lives Matter means the same thing as Black Lives Matter Too
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To you it does but I would imagine that a lot of people wouldn’t agree with you. Adding ‘too’ has far less for people to (rightly or wrongly) get their backs up or dismiss the movement arbitrarily based purely on a slogan.
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Those people will always find something to complain about. The name really isn’t that big an issue. A minority of idiots don’t get it but it’s been that way for centuries one way of another
But I do like the irony of a bunch of white people on here deciding what is an acceptable name for a black movement to have
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It's not about what is acceptable Robb. It's about what is most effective. You are missing the point
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You think it’s more effective. Doesn’t mean it is. BLM seems very effective. They don’t need to pander to people who want to make the name more friendly to insecure people
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The main purpose of the BLM movent is to educate. And many of the very people that it aims to educate are being immediately switched off the message by the slogan. I don't think that is effective.
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Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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Go do some reading. It’s all out there. I’m not here to be your teacher.
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Can’t find these offshoots on the internet for one
What logic is their to defund the police when we are already strapped for coppers? Stop trying to wriggle out of your ridiculous comment
posted on 22/6/20
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
Black Lives Matter means the same thing as Black Lives Matter Too
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To you it does but I would imagine that a lot of people wouldn’t agree with you. Adding ‘too’ has far less for people to (rightly or wrongly) get their backs up or dismiss the movement arbitrarily based purely on a slogan.
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Those people will always find something to complain about. The name really isn’t that big an issue. A minority of idiots don’t get it but it’s been that way for centuries one way of another
But I do like the irony of a bunch of white people on here deciding what is an acceptable name for a black movement to have
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It's not about what is acceptable Robb. It's about what is most effective. You are missing the point
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You think it’s more effective. Doesn’t mean it is. BLM seems very effective. They don’t need to pander to people who want to make the name more friendly to insecure people
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The main purpose of the BLM movent is to educate. And many of the very people that it aims to educate are being immediately switched off the message by the slogan. I don't think that is effective.
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That isn’t their main aim
posted on 22/6/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
melts, that’s true but appealing to the people that hold those views doesn’t address the root issues either. As you’ve mentioned, it’s about education, and as a result that’ll always be a slow burner. And they need to apply pressure to authority, and despite my dislike of the Tory government I think they’ll always be more sympathetic to these appeals than people that oppose the movement over its wording.
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Yeah agree with that and by within I meant the fix had to come from white people rather than from within that group in particular, which, by extension, means the government in terms of sorting out the education system.
They do need as much help and pressure as possible put on by everyone to enact that change though. Even take today, windrush day and the Tory government has still done so little to sort that out, something of their own making.
posted on 22/6/20
People that immediately switch off the message due to the slogan aren’t open to being educated.
posted on 22/6/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
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posted 1 minute ago
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comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 41 seconds ago
Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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Go do some reading. It’s all out there. I’m not here to be your teacher.
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Can’t find these offshoots on the internet for one
What logic is their to defund the police when we are already strapped for coppers? Stop trying to wriggle out of your ridiculous comment
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Educate yourself
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/20/defund-the-police-social-control-investment-donald-trump-protests-race-george-floyd
posted on 22/6/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 43 seconds ago
People that immediately switch off the message due to the slogan aren’t open to being educated.
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Some might be though mate, some. And it would be a shame to lose them by not adding ‘too’ for example.
Like I’ve said several times though, it’s their movement and they can call it whatever they think is best.
posted on 22/6/20
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 41 seconds ago
Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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Go do some reading. It’s all out there. I’m not here to be your teacher.
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Can’t find these offshoots on the internet for one
What logic is their to defund the police when we are already strapped for coppers? Stop trying to wriggle out of your ridiculous comment
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Just to flip the question round. where in the intentions of the black lives matter movement does it mention defunding the police?
posted on 22/6/20
melts, yeah I did get what you meant. But that’s why I think using the approach that has served the liberal voice well is a more effective way to go to apply pressure to make change. I just don’t think people that are opposed to the message will be responsive to it however it’s framed.
posted on 22/6/20
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 30 seconds ago
“We’re raising awareness for racism against blacks people ”
Colemanballs: “what about all the other types of racism. You probably don’t know, but there are other types of racism out there”
“We’re raising awareness for breast cancer”
Colemanballs: “what about all the other types of cancers. You probably don’t know, but there are other types of cancer out there”
“We’re raising awareness for child abuse”
Colemanballs: “what about all the other types of abuse. You probably don’t know, but there are other types of abuse out there”
Please, please tell me why the principles behind any of these stupid statements are different when one is being talked about against an anti-racism statement. When does it become apparent to some that sadly there are just some users who have issues with anti-racism, for whatever reason.
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Right off the bat you're way off the mark.
For a start, all types of cancer are treated as being a problem. If somebody sees the breast cancer awareness campaign and asks 'what about testicular cancer?', they can very quickly be directed to a testicular cancer awareness group or charity etc. Essentially, the question doesn't need to be asked. There is alternative movement or campaign to direct them so your analogy just breaks down. I could point out further issues with it but I don't see the point if I'm honest, I don't think you're asking because you're genuinely interested in why this is a bad analogy. You're asking because you think it's given you a 'gotcha' moment and that's never going to lead to a reasoned discussion.
As I said, a lot of these issues cross over with social problems and aren't exclusively experienced by one particular race and so feel they identify with some of the problems but are excluded from discussing them at the same time. Sadly I feel I have to add that this isn't necessarily my point of view, it's an observation of other people's point of view. Whether you agree or disagree isn't important, it's why they feel that way and how that can be changed.
Discussing this with anything other than absolute submission to the perspective that you personally are conveying is not akin to having a problem with anti racism.
It's such a blatant straw man.
posted on 22/6/20
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
Black Lives Matter means the same thing as Black Lives Matter Too
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To you it does but I would imagine that a lot of people wouldn’t agree with you. Adding ‘too’ has far less for people to (rightly or wrongly) get their backs up or dismiss the movement arbitrarily based purely on a slogan.
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Those people will always find something to complain about. The name really isn’t that big an issue. A minority of idiots don’t get it but it’s been that way for centuries one way of another
But I do like the irony of a bunch of white people on here deciding what is an acceptable name for a black movement to have
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It's not about what is acceptable Robb. It's about what is most effective. You are missing the point
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You think it’s more effective. Doesn’t mean it is. BLM seems very effective. They don’t need to pander to people who want to make the name more friendly to insecure people
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The main purpose of the BLM movent is to educate. And many of the very people that it aims to educate are being immediately switched off the message by the slogan. I don't think that is effective.
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That isn’t their main aim
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I should perhaps have said main weapon/tool rather than aim. But you get the point. A slogan that turns off a large proportion of your target demographic isn't a strong choice.
posted on 22/6/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 43 seconds ago
People that immediately switch off the message due to the slogan aren’t open to being educated.
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Some might be though mate, some. And it would be a shame to lose them by not adding ‘too’ for example.
Like I’ve said several times though, it’s their movement and they can call it whatever they think is best.
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I just don’t agree. Especially now it’s reached the point it has.
posted on 22/6/20
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posted on 22/6/20
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posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
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comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 41 seconds ago
Robb
Do you agree with the intentions of the BLM movement?
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Yes, why wouldn’t I?
Have you read their 13 guiding principles?
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So you agree with the abolition of the police then?
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The abolitionists are a separate offshoot made up of a different group of people
But there is some logic to defunding the police, yes.
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Really
Go on then explain?
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Go do some reading. It’s all out there. I’m not here to be your teacher.
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Can’t find these offshoots on the internet for one
What logic is their to defund the police when we are already strapped for coppers? Stop trying to wriggle out of your ridiculous comment
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Just to flip the question round. where in the intentions of the black lives matter movement does it mention defunding the police?
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It is one of their intentions. Robb thinks by posting an article from the guardian of all papers that suits the argument that there is logic in defunding the police. Unbelievable
posted on 22/6/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 50 seconds ago
melts, yeah I did get what you meant. But that’s why I think using the approach that has served the liberal voice well is a more effective way to go to apply pressure to make change. I just don’t think people that are opposed to the message will be responsive to it however it’s framed.
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You think that no-one would be responsive or that most wouldn’t? My point is that even if very few become responsive, then it’s a good thing.
posted on 22/6/20
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
Black Lives Matter means the same thing as Black Lives Matter Too
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To you it does but I would imagine that a lot of people wouldn’t agree with you. Adding ‘too’ has far less for people to (rightly or wrongly) get their backs up or dismiss the movement arbitrarily based purely on a slogan.
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Those people will always find something to complain about. The name really isn’t that big an issue. A minority of idiots don’t get it but it’s been that way for centuries one way of another
But I do like the irony of a bunch of white people on here deciding what is an acceptable name for a black movement to have
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It's not about what is acceptable Robb. It's about what is most effective. You are missing the point
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You think it’s more effective. Doesn’t mean it is. BLM seems very effective. They don’t need to pander to people who want to make the name more friendly to insecure people
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The main purpose of the BLM movent is to educate. And many of the very people that it aims to educate are being immediately switched off the message by the slogan. I don't think that is effective.
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That isn’t their main aim
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I should perhaps have said main weapon/tool rather than aim. But you get the point. A slogan that turns off a large proportion of your target demographic isn't a strong choice.
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But how do you know it’s a large proportion? Not trying to wum you here but there seems to be an imagined high number of people put off by the name when in reality it seems to be doing just fine.
posted on 22/6/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
People that immediately switch off the message due to the slogan aren’t open to being educated.
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Or they are too stupid to see the true meaning of it. Trust me, there are plenty that are just too dumb to see that the slogan doesn't mean black lives are more important than white. They read and ALM post on Facebook and agree with it without giving it any real thought.
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