posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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and Neville isnt on the of the side of the fence, he's in his 5 star luxury penthouse a safe distanced and secure boundary away from the fence, let alone anywhere near any such asylum hotels.
That is not me condoning a lack of compassion for desperate people coming to this country, there just needs to be far better management of the issue, one that at least reflects the concerns of people and communities.
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If there's one thing that really annoys me it's when those on the right, not suggesting you definitely are by the way, decide to label people like Gary Neville as a champagne socialist. So what if he is. That's admirable isn't it? You've got all the money in the world and you choose to care about something you're ultimately not going to be affected by. That makes his support all the more rewardable.
I don't care what's said in any of the other 350 comments on here - if you're taking Neville's comments as anything other than a real expression of human decency, you're an idiot. There's absolutely nothing offensive about what he said. Nothing whatsoever. The meatheads should just move on.
The irony is not lost on me that this pack of flag waving pigs scream all the time about their rights to free speech, but when someone like Neville pops up with his own opinions, they don't like it. Make your minds up lads.
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You seem to be getting a bit confused.
No one is denying his freedom to speak. But that does not mean it cannot be challenged.
And you fall in to the same trap that he has. "The meatheads", I mean you object to people labelling someone as a "champagne socialists" and there you are calling anyone who challenges GNev as flag waving pigs and meatheads.
I've challenged GNev opinions above. Am i a flag waving meat head?
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by T-Bag (U11806)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
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Why do zionists want people divided?
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Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
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Not often I agree with Luka, but it's clear here that people are being outraged by what the media want them to be outraged about.
It's a classic tactic that's used to distract people from the real issues that are affecting their quality of life day to day, so those with money don't come under scrutiny and instead the general public punch down.
I'm not entirely sure how to feel on this whole incident. I do think it's good to speak up and address the clear and obvious problem, but we've seen in the past how fragile the people in question can be and any hint of criticism going in their direction will lead to them doubling down and becoming more isolated.
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Mr T 👍🏻
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by T-Bag (U11806)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
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Why do zionists want people divided?
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Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
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Not often I agree with Luka, but it's clear here that people are being outraged by what the media want them to be outraged about.
It's a classic tactic that's used to distract people from the real issues that are affecting their quality of life day to day, so those with money don't come under scrutiny and instead the general public punch down.
I'm not entirely sure how to feel on this whole incident. I do think it's good to speak up and address the clear and obvious problem, but we've seen in the past how fragile the people in question can be and any hint of criticism going in their direction will lead to them doubling down and becoming more isolated.
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Mr T 👍🏻
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I would agree and i think in the large part, its people being easily lead, being given somewhere to park their malcontent, as opposed it purely being some inherent hate gene being triggered by the media.
The motivations and actors in play here go beyond some zionist divide and conquer agenda. To me that is also an example of people parking their opinion, on a very complex matter, in one place.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 37 minutes ago
I didn’t say that, I said to suggest the NHS waiting list is due to immigration (which is what a poster said) is absolute nonsense and these people should be roundly laughed at and mocked for bringing so stupid and swallowing Farage’s bollox.
As if Nigel Farage, ex-banker and chauffeur for Enoch Powell who wants to get rid of the NHS, cares anyway, but morons lap it up.
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You said this:
"Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public."
IMO its about as accurate as saying that immigration IS to blame for all issues affecting the general public.
Both bollox, may be the latter is more bollox that the former, but still bollox that doesnt move anything forward.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
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Middle aged, white men are the reason why there is a waiting list. Fewer of them, less of a waiting list. Not rocket science.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
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Middle aged, white men are the reason why there is a waiting list. Fewer of them, less of a waiting list. Not rocket science.
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You’re forgetting a lot of the Karens are responsible for it as well, although I’d take the point that they’re indistinguishable.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
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Middle aged, white men are the reason why there is a waiting list. Fewer of them, less of a waiting list. Not rocket science.
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You’re forgetting a lot of the Karens are responsible for it as well, although I’d take the point that they’re indistinguishable.
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I feel that the only way that we can test this theory that they're indistinguishable, is to set them on fire.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
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Middle aged, white men are the reason why there is a waiting list. Fewer of them, less of a waiting list. Not rocket science.
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Perhaps if they ate the occasional salad instead of getting boozed up and fighting then there would be far less people taking up hospital resources
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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You immediately start talking about asylum hotels.
So the flags aren’t just being patriotic, are they?
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Anyone seen the video of the girl who has suffered sexual abuse, but from a white British man, being hauled off stage?
There’s no part of this that is more distasteful than the claims that people just want to protect their children and women of the community.
Bull shiiit.
These sheep have been sold a lie that migrants are a danger and they’re using it as an excuse to be racist. They don’t give a flying feck about protecting children and women.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Potentially even going as far as trying to deflect the bad stuff they're doing onto others, so no-one puts them under any scrutiny.
The Catholic church speciality!
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
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Fair enough, i form a different opinion but i would agree with your second point.
It would be an interesting exercise to see what happens if all immigrants were sent home. Waiting lists would inevitably become shorter but the capacity to deal with them would be hammered by a lack of NHS staff.
I'd imagine the latter would hit far harder than the former.
Personally i don think immigrants on an NHS waiting list is any sort of significant issue. My concern is those that are contributing nothing and indeed taking from the system.
But to put that in context, there are far more 'natives' who are contributing nothing and taking from the system and that wastage needs tackling as a greater priority. But that's not to say both need tackling!
I do try and put myself in an opposite situation though when thinking about a fair immigration policy.
Would i expect to be able to move to Germany, freely, may be work, may be not, claim from their social system, expect to be treated by their doctors etc. Whether I'm entitled to or not by their/EU law, that would not be my expectation or desire.. I would not be surprised if i was not welcomed or asked to leave if i was taking from a system that I am not or never have contributed to. I wouldn't see it as prejudice, it would make absolute sense to me.
I would not consider that an unreasonable position. May be i'm a rarity, maybe most people do expect to be able to move around freely and take from other systems and have no issue in doing so.
But the suggestion in this country is that if this was an approach adopted towards immigrants here, that such actions would be, put crudely, fundamentally racist.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
“Would i expect to be able to move to Germany, freely, may be work, may be not, claim from their social system, expect to be treated by their doctors etc.”
You can’t do that here.
And if you sent all immigrants ‘home’ then the economy would collapse.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Anyone seen the video of the girl who has suffered sexual abuse, but from a white British man, being hauled off stage?
There’s no part of this that is more distasteful than the claims that people just want to protect their children and women of the community.
Bull shiiit.
These sheep have been sold a lie that migrants are a danger and they’re using it as an excuse to be racist. They don’t give a flying feck about protecting children and women.
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Winston
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Waiting lists would inevitably become shorter but the capacity to deal with them would be hammered by a lack of NHS staff.
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How do they become shorter then?
About of third of medical staff are immigrants, the whole system would collapse.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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You immediately start talking about asylum hotels.
So the flags aren’t just being patriotic, are they?
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I was only immediately talking about it because you brought it up the subject and following on from that to address your point.
I would say it is about being patriotic for a lot of people. People who care about the country and don't want to see it destabilised by issues such as these. Nothing to do with racism for them, but yes on the other end of the spectrum it may well be for some. It would be wrong to generalise and make them all out to be racists.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
These people flying their flags for sinister purposes also have a strange recent love for bacon it seems. Not only do they eat it they post random pics of bacon on social media.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Spurtle, it’s not about being patriotic.
You yourself said that it’s about protesting something.
Calling it just being patriotic would imply that it’s just some random decision those people have taken in order to show love of their country.
We all know that’s not what had happened and there’s no explanation of why those people did it that doesn’t involve objection to the aslyum seekers and/or immigration in general.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Spurtle’s surely not this gullible.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Spurtle, it’s not about being patriotic.
You yourself said that it’s about protesting something.
Calling it just being patriotic would imply that it’s just some random decision those people have taken in order to show love of their country.
We all know that’s not what had happened and there’s no explanation of why those people did it that doesn’t involve objection to the aslyum seekers and/or immigration in general.
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You can be patriotic and protest against something at the same time. I have seen footage of people being interviewed protesting about the asylum hotels, they definitely don't all come across as racist.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
I genuinely don’t mean this as an insult, but I think people need to familiarise themselves with what patriotism actually means.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Spurtle, it’s not about being patriotic.
You yourself said that it’s about protesting something.
Calling it just being patriotic would imply that it’s just some random decision those people have taken in order to show love of their country.
We all know that’s not what had happened and there’s no explanation of why those people did it that doesn’t involve objection to the aslyum seekers and/or immigration in general.
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You can be patriotic and protest against something at the same time. I have seen footage of people being interviewed protesting about the asylum hotels, they definitely don't all come across as racist.
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Depends what your starting point for racism is
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Spurtle, it’s not about being patriotic.
You yourself said that it’s about protesting something.
Calling it just being patriotic would imply that it’s just some random decision those people have taken in order to show love of their country.
We all know that’s not what had happened and there’s no explanation of why those people did it that doesn’t involve objection to the aslyum seekers and/or immigration in general.
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You can be patriotic and protest against something at the same time. I have seen footage of people being interviewed protesting about the asylum hotels, they definitely don't all come across as racist.
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No, I’m sorry but that’s not correct.
It’s either one of the other. The timing of those flags going up means that they were very clearly a statement in response to asylum hotels, and not just a spontaneous outpouring of devotion to Great Britain.
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posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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and Neville isnt on the of the side of the fence, he's in his 5 star luxury penthouse a safe distanced and secure boundary away from the fence, let alone anywhere near any such asylum hotels.
That is not me condoning a lack of compassion for desperate people coming to this country, there just needs to be far better management of the issue, one that at least reflects the concerns of people and communities.
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If there's one thing that really annoys me it's when those on the right, not suggesting you definitely are by the way, decide to label people like Gary Neville as a champagne socialist. So what if he is. That's admirable isn't it? You've got all the money in the world and you choose to care about something you're ultimately not going to be affected by. That makes his support all the more rewardable.
I don't care what's said in any of the other 350 comments on here - if you're taking Neville's comments as anything other than a real expression of human decency, you're an idiot. There's absolutely nothing offensive about what he said. Nothing whatsoever. The meatheads should just move on.
The irony is not lost on me that this pack of flag waving pigs scream all the time about their rights to free speech, but when someone like Neville pops up with his own opinions, they don't like it. Make your minds up lads.
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You seem to be getting a bit confused.
No one is denying his freedom to speak. But that does not mean it cannot be challenged.
And you fall in to the same trap that he has. "The meatheads", I mean you object to people labelling someone as a "champagne socialists" and there you are calling anyone who challenges GNev as flag waving pigs and meatheads.
I've challenged GNev opinions above. Am i a flag waving meat head?
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by T-Bag (U11806)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
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Why do zionists want people divided?
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Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
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Not often I agree with Luka, but it's clear here that people are being outraged by what the media want them to be outraged about.
It's a classic tactic that's used to distract people from the real issues that are affecting their quality of life day to day, so those with money don't come under scrutiny and instead the general public punch down.
I'm not entirely sure how to feel on this whole incident. I do think it's good to speak up and address the clear and obvious problem, but we've seen in the past how fragile the people in question can be and any hint of criticism going in their direction will lead to them doubling down and becoming more isolated.
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Mr T 👍🏻
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by T-Bag (U11806)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Luka "The List" Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Devon, people are angry because the Zionist owned media have whipped up a stir on immigration because they want the people to be divided.
Not saying illegal immigration is a problem but it's not the only problem. But for the reason of division it has been over pumped by Sky news, BBC ect...
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Why do zionists want people divided?
----------------‐‐----------------------------------------------------
Divide and conquer. It's a tried and trusted formula.
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Not often I agree with Luka, but it's clear here that people are being outraged by what the media want them to be outraged about.
It's a classic tactic that's used to distract people from the real issues that are affecting their quality of life day to day, so those with money don't come under scrutiny and instead the general public punch down.
I'm not entirely sure how to feel on this whole incident. I do think it's good to speak up and address the clear and obvious problem, but we've seen in the past how fragile the people in question can be and any hint of criticism going in their direction will lead to them doubling down and becoming more isolated.
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Mr T 👍🏻
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I would agree and i think in the large part, its people being easily lead, being given somewhere to park their malcontent, as opposed it purely being some inherent hate gene being triggered by the media.
The motivations and actors in play here go beyond some zionist divide and conquer agenda. To me that is also an example of people parking their opinion, on a very complex matter, in one place.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 37 minutes ago
I didn’t say that, I said to suggest the NHS waiting list is due to immigration (which is what a poster said) is absolute nonsense and these people should be roundly laughed at and mocked for bringing so stupid and swallowing Farage’s bollox.
As if Nigel Farage, ex-banker and chauffeur for Enoch Powell who wants to get rid of the NHS, cares anyway, but morons lap it up.
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You said this:
"Immigration in any of its guises is not to blame for any issue affecting the general public."
IMO its about as accurate as saying that immigration IS to blame for all issues affecting the general public.
Both bollox, may be the latter is more bollox that the former, but still bollox that doesnt move anything forward.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
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Middle aged, white men are the reason why there is a waiting list. Fewer of them, less of a waiting list. Not rocket science.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
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Middle aged, white men are the reason why there is a waiting list. Fewer of them, less of a waiting list. Not rocket science.
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You’re forgetting a lot of the Karens are responsible for it as well, although I’d take the point that they’re indistinguishable.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
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Middle aged, white men are the reason why there is a waiting list. Fewer of them, less of a waiting list. Not rocket science.
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You’re forgetting a lot of the Karens are responsible for it as well, although I’d take the point that they’re indistinguishable.
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I feel that the only way that we can test this theory that they're indistinguishable, is to set them on fire.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
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Middle aged, white men are the reason why there is a waiting list. Fewer of them, less of a waiting list. Not rocket science.
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Perhaps if they ate the occasional salad instead of getting boozed up and fighting then there would be far less people taking up hospital resources
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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You immediately start talking about asylum hotels.
So the flags aren’t just being patriotic, are they?
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Anyone seen the video of the girl who has suffered sexual abuse, but from a white British man, being hauled off stage?
There’s no part of this that is more distasteful than the claims that people just want to protect their children and women of the community.
Bull shiiit.
These sheep have been sold a lie that migrants are a danger and they’re using it as an excuse to be racist. They don’t give a flying feck about protecting children and women.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Potentially even going as far as trying to deflect the bad stuff they're doing onto others, so no-one puts them under any scrutiny.
The Catholic church speciality!
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Okay, well Indont feel immigration is the cause of any of our problems. I think that’s nonsense, but that’s more opinion based.
What is a FACT, is that immigration is not the reason there is a waiting list.
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Fair enough, i form a different opinion but i would agree with your second point.
It would be an interesting exercise to see what happens if all immigrants were sent home. Waiting lists would inevitably become shorter but the capacity to deal with them would be hammered by a lack of NHS staff.
I'd imagine the latter would hit far harder than the former.
Personally i don think immigrants on an NHS waiting list is any sort of significant issue. My concern is those that are contributing nothing and indeed taking from the system.
But to put that in context, there are far more 'natives' who are contributing nothing and taking from the system and that wastage needs tackling as a greater priority. But that's not to say both need tackling!
I do try and put myself in an opposite situation though when thinking about a fair immigration policy.
Would i expect to be able to move to Germany, freely, may be work, may be not, claim from their social system, expect to be treated by their doctors etc. Whether I'm entitled to or not by their/EU law, that would not be my expectation or desire.. I would not be surprised if i was not welcomed or asked to leave if i was taking from a system that I am not or never have contributed to. I wouldn't see it as prejudice, it would make absolute sense to me.
I would not consider that an unreasonable position. May be i'm a rarity, maybe most people do expect to be able to move around freely and take from other systems and have no issue in doing so.
But the suggestion in this country is that if this was an approach adopted towards immigrants here, that such actions would be, put crudely, fundamentally racist.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
“Would i expect to be able to move to Germany, freely, may be work, may be not, claim from their social system, expect to be treated by their doctors etc.”
You can’t do that here.
And if you sent all immigrants ‘home’ then the economy would collapse.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Anyone seen the video of the girl who has suffered sexual abuse, but from a white British man, being hauled off stage?
There’s no part of this that is more distasteful than the claims that people just want to protect their children and women of the community.
Bull shiiit.
These sheep have been sold a lie that migrants are a danger and they’re using it as an excuse to be racist. They don’t give a flying feck about protecting children and women.
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posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Waiting lists would inevitably become shorter but the capacity to deal with them would be hammered by a lack of NHS staff.
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How do they become shorter then?
About of third of medical staff are immigrants, the whole system would collapse.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Spurtle, given that these flags were a follow up to the protests about asylum hotels, I’d be genuinely fascinated to hear any explanation that is simply ‘I am just being patriotic’.
Particularly given these flags are being displayed on public land, without permission.
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There are genuine concerns regarding asylum seekers housed in hotels, who commit crimes and are living in better conditions than members of the British public whose taxes are paying for it. They have a right to protest about it and while I'm sure there will be those using the flags as a symbol of racism, many will be be purely wanting to use the flag to show they are proud of their country and don't want to see it go down the pan.
The thing is, to protest about something like that, whether they use flags or not, the reaction to it is they will be seen as racist by many on the other side of the fence.
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You immediately start talking about asylum hotels.
So the flags aren’t just being patriotic, are they?
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I was only immediately talking about it because you brought it up the subject and following on from that to address your point.
I would say it is about being patriotic for a lot of people. People who care about the country and don't want to see it destabilised by issues such as these. Nothing to do with racism for them, but yes on the other end of the spectrum it may well be for some. It would be wrong to generalise and make them all out to be racists.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
These people flying their flags for sinister purposes also have a strange recent love for bacon it seems. Not only do they eat it they post random pics of bacon on social media.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Spurtle, it’s not about being patriotic.
You yourself said that it’s about protesting something.
Calling it just being patriotic would imply that it’s just some random decision those people have taken in order to show love of their country.
We all know that’s not what had happened and there’s no explanation of why those people did it that doesn’t involve objection to the aslyum seekers and/or immigration in general.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Spurtle’s surely not this gullible.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Spurtle, it’s not about being patriotic.
You yourself said that it’s about protesting something.
Calling it just being patriotic would imply that it’s just some random decision those people have taken in order to show love of their country.
We all know that’s not what had happened and there’s no explanation of why those people did it that doesn’t involve objection to the aslyum seekers and/or immigration in general.
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You can be patriotic and protest against something at the same time. I have seen footage of people being interviewed protesting about the asylum hotels, they definitely don't all come across as racist.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
I genuinely don’t mean this as an insult, but I think people need to familiarise themselves with what patriotism actually means.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Spurtle, it’s not about being patriotic.
You yourself said that it’s about protesting something.
Calling it just being patriotic would imply that it’s just some random decision those people have taken in order to show love of their country.
We all know that’s not what had happened and there’s no explanation of why those people did it that doesn’t involve objection to the aslyum seekers and/or immigration in general.
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You can be patriotic and protest against something at the same time. I have seen footage of people being interviewed protesting about the asylum hotels, they definitely don't all come across as racist.
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Depends what your starting point for racism is
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Spurtle, it’s not about being patriotic.
You yourself said that it’s about protesting something.
Calling it just being patriotic would imply that it’s just some random decision those people have taken in order to show love of their country.
We all know that’s not what had happened and there’s no explanation of why those people did it that doesn’t involve objection to the aslyum seekers and/or immigration in general.
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You can be patriotic and protest against something at the same time. I have seen footage of people being interviewed protesting about the asylum hotels, they definitely don't all come across as racist.
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No, I’m sorry but that’s not correct.
It’s either one of the other. The timing of those flags going up means that they were very clearly a statement in response to asylum hotels, and not just a spontaneous outpouring of devotion to Great Britain.
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