Crossed ma mind before,blue
Laudrup
Aye his brar in law could certainly up our tempo in a game...
Lads you will get promoted, absolutely no doubt about that at all but ally is not a manager. I dont really care and to be honest I hope you keep him.
Lower league experience get him in as assistant.
Punt Durrant and McDowall.
harvey
do you not think if ally was allowed to keep some of his players and be allowed to bring some quality in a decent time scale and even have a couple of pre season games things might be a little bit different?
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Quite possibly to all those questions but it is what it is and he still has more than enough resources to deal with the opposition in front of him.
Some of the those guys you mention like Naismith & McGregor were far too good, and at a critical age, to be playing the level of football that Rangers are playing now. In this respect, McCoist is blameless because it was natural that players such as the ones I mentioned would want to move on.
I would say that he had more than enough time to assemble a decent team to win D3. It's not like he was being asked to put together a team to challenge Celtic, all that was asked of him was to assemble a team that could win D3 and put Rangers back on the map. Of course, he will likely still win promotion but with the resources available to him right now, there's quite a few aways days and cup match results that have embarassed the club yet could have easily been avoided. Outside Celtic, does any team in Scotland have the resources that McCoist has?
I get your point about the pre season games, but it's November now and that period should be a distant memory now. That's a fair point in July/August but not now.
Whit pre-season games,harvey? Malmo et al?
We never had a license to play til the day before openin day,never mind a pre-season
Haud on harvey
Was it not about this time of year Ally was absolutely humpin lenny in the league,only for admin and injury to easily the best player in the league at the time?
Neil's been handed the lot on a plate while Ally's got tae work for it
Ally's made mistakes,just like lenny as you acknowledge,therefore I'm reserving judgement
If we're not up at the season end then he'll be off
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Well, it wasn't that big of a humpin, first of all, since Celtic had a few games in hand. Like any team, Celtic had their fair share of injuries as well - this stuff happens and a club as big as Rangers shouldn't be putting poor form down to losing a player or two for a while.
I strongly disagree that Neil Lennon has been handed anything on a plate. Just look at his results in Europe over the past year. The guy is smarter than some folks would give him credit for (including me at certain points). Rangers did have difficulties in the second half of last season, of course, but much of that was to do with the respective performance of the manager's involved more than anything else.
If Rangers fans still want to back McCoist then I'm not going to argue with that. That is your right.
Whit pre-season games,harvey? Malmo et al?
We never had a license to play til the day before openin day,never mind a pre-season
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As I said, fair enough comment for July/August but we're now in November. What about September/October? He has had enough time to get his squad fit and then some.
Sorry harvey but Rangers problem's in the secondhalf of last season were not of ally's making,unless you want to blame him for nonqualification of the Champs League,which would have masked the whyte scenario just a little longer. I'd also point you to the fact that the previous gaffer couldnt sign a player until the season before that after several years of hardship whilst constantly cutting numbers,giving you an indication of the depth of squad left.
As I said I'll back McCoist til the season end
Sorry harvey but Rangers problem's in the secondhalf of last season were not of ally's making,unless you want to blame him for nonqualification of the Champs League,which would have masked the whyte scenario just a little longer. I'd also point you to the fact that the previous gaffer couldnt sign a player until the season before that after several years of hardship whilst constantly cutting numbers,giving you an indication of the depth of squad left.
As I said I'll back McCoist til the season end
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Of course it wasn't McCoist's fault. His CL & Europa record can't be excused because it ultimately helped Whyte out the door though. Those were both ties that Rangers could have won & McCoist failed spectularly in both.
Smith had the most expensively assembled team in Scotland for much of his second reign. He was severely restricted in his last couple of seasons but had the benefit of most of the players he signed in his first couple of years in charge at the same time. Smith had plenty of depth in his squad.
Loyalty can lead to blindness.
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agreed harv. they had a far stronger squad than was ever highlighted. we may have had a bigger squad but we all knew it was far too big for purpose.
players like davis, naismith, laugherty, jelly legs, whittaker and a lot of really good squad players.
if sally is exempt from criticism amongst most of the gers fans then i'm more than happy with that
Half the guys smith signed were off by two in a row cos we were skint,and by the time ally got it it was threadbare
FFS as were depleting you were bringin 60k a week guys on loan
agreed harv. they had a far stronger squad than was ever highlighted. we may have had a bigger squad but we all knew it was far too big for purpose.
players like davis, naismith, laugherty, jelly legs, whittaker and a lot of really good squad players.
if sally is exempt from criticism amongst most of the gers fans then i'm more than happy with that
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As am I, to be honest. I just find it interesting that so many Rangers fans are still in denial. Of course, I can understand why to an extent because he was a legend as a player, but I don't think that should be a reason to judge him as a manager.
Yeez really dont get it,and wont
Til yer team goes bust,all your players walk for fck all and you're in the bottom division with a team of bhoys and yer support want instant world domination
Half the guys smith signed were off by two in a row cos we were skint,and by the time ally got it it was threadbare
FFS as were depleting you were bringin 60k a week guys on loan
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Naismith, Edu, Bougherra, Whittaker, McCulloch, Davis & the likes were there for the entirety of Smith's second reign. All seven figure signings by him and still contributing to the success of your club until he left.
When we were bringing on Robbie Keane we were also selling most of the team that had brought us success in years previous. Keane and most of the other signings we made at the same time were made to cover the fact we were actually disbanding a team.
McCoist has always had enough to cope with the task in hand but found ways to fail.
Yeez really dont get it,and wont
Til yer team goes bust,all your players walk for fck all and you're in the bottom division with a team of bhoys and yer support want instant world domination
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I think your support just wants to breeze throught D3 and put up a decent & respectable show in the cup competitions. Not an unreasonable request in my view.
Good shout Blue, thats possibly why Ally cant see the rubbish hes putting out on the park.
Im honestly happy you all have faith in Ally though. Love is blind
Edu whipping boy
McCulloch whipping boy
Whittaker whipping boy
Taken on a bit of a cult status among yous have they?
Think our team was bein more rapidly disbanded than yours through no choice of our own
Naismith only contributed to one year of success, the rest of the time he was injured/severly out of form.
Not an unreasonable request?
Mibbe naw.
Does that request come with an understanding that it might be more difficult than first envisioned?
I'm not so sure..
Anyway I've got the munchies so I'm off
Edu whipping boy
McCulloch whipping boy
Whittaker whipping boy
Taken on a bit of a cult status among yous have they?
Think our team was bein more rapidly disbanded than yours through no choice of our own
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And all of Celtic's players have been universally loved by the support during their time at CP? Just look at Samaras, ffs.
Rangers did indeed lose players over the years, but they still had more than enough of the expensive ones around when they were winning trophies. That's my point.
Not an unreasonable request?
Mibbe naw.
Does that request come with an understanding that it might be more difficult than first envisioned?
I'm not so sure..
Anyway I've got the munchies so I'm off
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Paying tens of thousands of pounds to players to get out of a league full of part-timers and win the odd cup game against SPL teams? I would say that's pretty reasonable.
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posted on 1/11/12
bluenose
john reid
posted on 1/11/12
Crossed ma mind before,blue
posted on 1/11/12
Laudrup
Aye his brar in law could certainly up our tempo in a game...
posted on 1/11/12
Lads you will get promoted, absolutely no doubt about that at all but ally is not a manager. I dont really care and to be honest I hope you keep him.
posted on 1/11/12
Lower league experience get him in as assistant.
Punt Durrant and McDowall.
posted on 1/11/12
harvey
do you not think if ally was allowed to keep some of his players and be allowed to bring some quality in a decent time scale and even have a couple of pre season games things might be a little bit different?
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Quite possibly to all those questions but it is what it is and he still has more than enough resources to deal with the opposition in front of him.
Some of the those guys you mention like Naismith & McGregor were far too good, and at a critical age, to be playing the level of football that Rangers are playing now. In this respect, McCoist is blameless because it was natural that players such as the ones I mentioned would want to move on.
I would say that he had more than enough time to assemble a decent team to win D3. It's not like he was being asked to put together a team to challenge Celtic, all that was asked of him was to assemble a team that could win D3 and put Rangers back on the map. Of course, he will likely still win promotion but with the resources available to him right now, there's quite a few aways days and cup match results that have embarassed the club yet could have easily been avoided. Outside Celtic, does any team in Scotland have the resources that McCoist has?
I get your point about the pre season games, but it's November now and that period should be a distant memory now. That's a fair point in July/August but not now.
posted on 1/11/12
Whit pre-season games,harvey? Malmo et al?
We never had a license to play til the day before openin day,never mind a pre-season
posted on 1/11/12
Haud on harvey
Was it not about this time of year Ally was absolutely humpin lenny in the league,only for admin and injury to easily the best player in the league at the time?
Neil's been handed the lot on a plate while Ally's got tae work for it
Ally's made mistakes,just like lenny as you acknowledge,therefore I'm reserving judgement
If we're not up at the season end then he'll be off
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Well, it wasn't that big of a humpin, first of all, since Celtic had a few games in hand. Like any team, Celtic had their fair share of injuries as well - this stuff happens and a club as big as Rangers shouldn't be putting poor form down to losing a player or two for a while.
I strongly disagree that Neil Lennon has been handed anything on a plate. Just look at his results in Europe over the past year. The guy is smarter than some folks would give him credit for (including me at certain points). Rangers did have difficulties in the second half of last season, of course, but much of that was to do with the respective performance of the manager's involved more than anything else.
If Rangers fans still want to back McCoist then I'm not going to argue with that. That is your right.
posted on 1/11/12
Whit pre-season games,harvey? Malmo et al?
We never had a license to play til the day before openin day,never mind a pre-season
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As I said, fair enough comment for July/August but we're now in November. What about September/October? He has had enough time to get his squad fit and then some.
posted on 1/11/12
Sorry harvey but Rangers problem's in the secondhalf of last season were not of ally's making,unless you want to blame him for nonqualification of the Champs League,which would have masked the whyte scenario just a little longer. I'd also point you to the fact that the previous gaffer couldnt sign a player until the season before that after several years of hardship whilst constantly cutting numbers,giving you an indication of the depth of squad left.
As I said I'll back McCoist til the season end
posted on 1/11/12
Sorry harvey but Rangers problem's in the secondhalf of last season were not of ally's making,unless you want to blame him for nonqualification of the Champs League,which would have masked the whyte scenario just a little longer. I'd also point you to the fact that the previous gaffer couldnt sign a player until the season before that after several years of hardship whilst constantly cutting numbers,giving you an indication of the depth of squad left.
As I said I'll back McCoist til the season end
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Of course it wasn't McCoist's fault. His CL & Europa record can't be excused because it ultimately helped Whyte out the door though. Those were both ties that Rangers could have won & McCoist failed spectularly in both.
Smith had the most expensively assembled team in Scotland for much of his second reign. He was severely restricted in his last couple of seasons but had the benefit of most of the players he signed in his first couple of years in charge at the same time. Smith had plenty of depth in his squad.
posted on 1/11/12
Loyalty can lead to blindness.
posted on 1/11/12
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posted on 1/11/12
agreed harv. they had a far stronger squad than was ever highlighted. we may have had a bigger squad but we all knew it was far too big for purpose.
players like davis, naismith, laugherty, jelly legs, whittaker and a lot of really good squad players.
if sally is exempt from criticism amongst most of the gers fans then i'm more than happy with that
posted on 1/11/12
Half the guys smith signed were off by two in a row cos we were skint,and by the time ally got it it was threadbare
FFS as were depleting you were bringin 60k a week guys on loan
posted on 1/11/12
agreed harv. they had a far stronger squad than was ever highlighted. we may have had a bigger squad but we all knew it was far too big for purpose.
players like davis, naismith, laugherty, jelly legs, whittaker and a lot of really good squad players.
if sally is exempt from criticism amongst most of the gers fans then i'm more than happy with that
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As am I, to be honest. I just find it interesting that so many Rangers fans are still in denial. Of course, I can understand why to an extent because he was a legend as a player, but I don't think that should be a reason to judge him as a manager.
posted on 1/11/12
Yeez really dont get it,and wont
Til yer team goes bust,all your players walk for fck all and you're in the bottom division with a team of bhoys and yer support want instant world domination
posted on 1/11/12
Half the guys smith signed were off by two in a row cos we were skint,and by the time ally got it it was threadbare
FFS as were depleting you were bringin 60k a week guys on loan
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Naismith, Edu, Bougherra, Whittaker, McCulloch, Davis & the likes were there for the entirety of Smith's second reign. All seven figure signings by him and still contributing to the success of your club until he left.
When we were bringing on Robbie Keane we were also selling most of the team that had brought us success in years previous. Keane and most of the other signings we made at the same time were made to cover the fact we were actually disbanding a team.
McCoist has always had enough to cope with the task in hand but found ways to fail.
posted on 1/11/12
Yeez really dont get it,and wont
Til yer team goes bust,all your players walk for fck all and you're in the bottom division with a team of bhoys and yer support want instant world domination
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I think your support just wants to breeze throught D3 and put up a decent & respectable show in the cup competitions. Not an unreasonable request in my view.
posted on 1/11/12
Good shout Blue, thats possibly why Ally cant see the rubbish hes putting out on the park.
Im honestly happy you all have faith in Ally though. Love is blind
posted on 1/11/12
Edu whipping boy
McCulloch whipping boy
Whittaker whipping boy
Taken on a bit of a cult status among yous have they?
Think our team was bein more rapidly disbanded than yours through no choice of our own
posted on 1/11/12
Naismith only contributed to one year of success, the rest of the time he was injured/severly out of form.
posted on 1/11/12
Not an unreasonable request?
Mibbe naw.
Does that request come with an understanding that it might be more difficult than first envisioned?
I'm not so sure..
Anyway I've got the munchies so I'm off
posted on 1/11/12
Edu whipping boy
McCulloch whipping boy
Whittaker whipping boy
Taken on a bit of a cult status among yous have they?
Think our team was bein more rapidly disbanded than yours through no choice of our own
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And all of Celtic's players have been universally loved by the support during their time at CP? Just look at Samaras, ffs.
Rangers did indeed lose players over the years, but they still had more than enough of the expensive ones around when they were winning trophies. That's my point.
posted on 2/11/12
Not an unreasonable request?
Mibbe naw.
Does that request come with an understanding that it might be more difficult than first envisioned?
I'm not so sure..
Anyway I've got the munchies so I'm off
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Paying tens of thousands of pounds to players to get out of a league full of part-timers and win the odd cup game against SPL teams? I would say that's pretty reasonable.
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