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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
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comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Liverpool fielded a bunch of youngsters.
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They have a better academy than ours, obviously.
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Or a manager brave enough to play them instead of the likes of Cedric, or Kiwior out of position after subbing him off at half time last game cos he was so poor...
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The circumstances are different though, as we're seeing from the reaction of our fans today Klopp has much more good will in the bank so can be afforded mistakes in a game like this, especially as they're the away team.

If Arteta had started youngsters and the game had gone exactly the same then they'd be using that as a stick to beat him with instead
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Instead he made the same mistake as a few days earlier and paid the price. So what has he benefited.

And it backfired with Kiwior. Lets not dress it up gt.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Liverpool fielded a bunch of youngsters.
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They have a better academy than ours, obviously.
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Or a manager brave enough to play them instead of the likes of Cedric, or Kiwior out of position after subbing him off at half time last game cos he was so poor...
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The circumstances are different though, as we're seeing from the reaction of our fans today Klopp has much more good will in the bank so can be afforded mistakes in a game like this, especially as they're the away team.

If Arteta had started youngsters and the game had gone exactly the same then they'd be using that as a stick to beat him with instead
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Instead he made the same mistake as a few days earlier and paid the price. So what has he benefited.
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Nothing, but I'm just explaining the reality of the situation as I see it.

Have I been frustrated with his lack of use of academy players in the past? Of course. Is today the day to bemoan that? I really don't think so.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
And it backfired with Kiwior. Lets not dress it up gt.
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So that is your scapegoat now.

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
And it backfired with Kiwior. Lets not dress it up gt.
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So that is your scapegoat now.
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I call out chit. As I did before the game started and he is the reason we were chasing the game. So hardly a scapegoat.

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted less than a minute ago
Before today we lost 2 games and havent won a football bame in 6.

So I know why Arteta havent trust the youngsters against a difficult opponent today.
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Yet he trusts someone who played so badly last game he was hooked at half time???

I am not saying he should have played 11 kids, just one in a position that player actually plays in rather than making the same mistake again and again.

Surely in a team with Rice and Jorginho plus one of the best CB pairings around it was open to risk Lino Sousa. Or Reuell Walters in the dead rubber against PSV instead of Cedric?

Also think it's harsh we're talking about Kiwior for a somewhat unlucky OG and a shaky 10 mins instead of the front line who really cost us the game

Nelson got his chance today. Once again. Has he used it?

Do I expect Sousa doing better as LB against Liverpool?

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted less than a minute ago
Also think it's harsh we're talking about Kiwior for a somewhat unlucky OG and a shaky 10 mins instead of the front line who really cost us the game
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I thought Kiwior did alright for a long time in the game.

Unfortunately we've seen absolutely nothing of Sousa so I have no idea whether that risk would have been worth it. The fact that we've not seen him at all to date is on Arteta for sure

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 minute ago
Nelson got his chance today. Once again. Has he used it?

Do I expect Sousa doing better as LB against Liverpool?
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You’ll never know because Arteta will never play him

Nelson did okay, was unlucky a couple of times. But has hardly played so unlikely to be fully match ready so you can understand why not everything came off for him. Another issue with Arteta, barely plays players then chucks them in. ESR - 5 minutes???

Klopp already bringing through his next cycle of youngsters, before the previous ones have even become regulars.

Arteta would play Raya outfield before giving youth a chance

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 14 seconds ago
Also think it's harsh we're talking about Kiwior for a somewhat unlucky OG and a shaky 10 mins instead of the front line who really cost us the game
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It's very, very hard at this level, especially against a top class team, to come back. We were dominating and Liverpool were feeding on breaks. Nunez had loads of chances but he fluffed them. It's inexcusable to lose a goal when they were getting just as anxy as us.

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted less than a minute ago
Also think it's harsh we're talking about Kiwior for a somewhat unlucky OG and a shaky 10 mins instead of the front line who really cost us the game
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I thought Kiwior did alright for a long time in the game.
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Same. Admittedly we were totally dominant first half so didn't have much to do, but our 4th choice left back not being amazing is less of an issue than we're having with our forwards who have let us down a few times now.

Havertz 65m

We have urgent needs in midfield and up front, but he spent big money on someone who can sort of do both but not at a good enough standard

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted less than a minute ago
Before today we lost 2 games and havent won a football bame in 6.

So I know why Arteta havent trust the youngsters against a difficult opponent today.
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Yet he trusts someone who played so badly last game he was hooked at half time???

I am not saying he should have played 11 kids, just one in a position that player actually plays in rather than making the same mistake again and again.

Surely in a team with Rice and Jorginho plus one of the best CB pairings around it was open to risk Lino Sousa. Or Reuell Walters in the dead rubber against PSV instead of Cedric?


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Dont know DJ. Today I think Arteta did alright today. Game was lost because we couldnt finish another game off.

Usually in the past at Arsenal, and at other clubs at present, when first team players are not performing, the academy player would be bought in. However the academy players have zero first team experience so how can they even be expected to fit in for a game or two? Arteta’s management of the youngsters has been quite crap since day 1.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 seconds ago
Nelson did okay, was unlucky a couple of times. But has hardly played so unlikely to be fully match ready so you can understand why not everything came off for him. Another issue with Arteta, barely plays players then chucks them in. ESR - 5 minutes???
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Thought ESR should have come on as soon as Liverpool brought off Jones and Elliott

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 seconds ago
Nelson did okay, was unlucky a couple of times. But has hardly played so unlikely to be fully match ready so you can understand why not everything came off for him. Another issue with Arteta, barely plays players then chucks them in. ESR - 5 minutes???
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Thought ESR should have come on as soon as Liverpool brought off Jones and Elliott
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yeah good points. Our subs came a bit late.

comment by 50 No longer trusting the process (U1147)
posted 57 seconds ago
Usually in the past at Arsenal, and at other clubs at present, when first team players are not performing, the academy player would be bought in. However the academy players have zero first team experience so how can they even be expected to fit in for a game or two? Arteta’s management of the youngsters has been quite crap since day 1.
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I think that's a fair argument to make. There's been a few games this season where we could have seen 3-4 players get a bit of first team football but we've seen nothing, as such when we might need them they're not gonna be ready

comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted about a minute ago
Klopp already bringing through his next cycle of youngsters, before the previous ones have even become regulars.

Arteta would play Raya outfield before giving youth a chance
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Was thinking that myself. Liverpool played 4 academy players (who were all given debuts by Klopp).

Publicity stunt with Nwaneri aside, we don’t even have an academy player in the 1st team squad that Arteta has given a debut to

It doesn't matter. We wouldn't have scored if had been playing now. The dressing room needs a lift that only comes from the transfer market.

You can't repair that with one transfer

comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes aga... (U18355)
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comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted about a minute ago
Klopp already bringing through his next cycle of youngsters, before the previous ones have even become regulars.

Arteta would play Raya outfield before giving youth a chance
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Was thinking that myself. Liverpool played 4 academy players (who were all given debuts by Klopp).

Publicity stunt with Nwaneri aside, we don’t even have an academy player in the 1st team squad that Arteta has given a debut to
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Yep, no interest in it at all. In fact the opposite, since PSV ive been convinced Arteta is trying to make a point about something with his selections. No matter what he will not let a youth product have a minute it seems