Raj

Provide your own proof. Back up your opinion. You can't state something then say go fetch.

"who said thug?"

I did, in 91 matches you can come up with 5 incidents. He's obviously a thug. Where did I imply you said it?

"so this tag that he has? when people were watching spurs vs liverpool, they were affected by this tag were they?"

You admitted yourself, in an Arsenal match, that Ronaldos reputation stuck with him. Even though he'd cut down on the diving.

"you dont agree. fine. your a liverpool fan so you never will anyway. but just accept that it might actually be true that he is worse behaved than most others."

There you go with that opinion of yours. No I don't agree. Until you can back it up then I'll continue to disagree.

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red man no. if you want to see the videos then go to youtube and look at them.

stop being an idiot insisting that i copy and paste links into this forum.

pathetic.

why use the word thug? its totally out of sync with my point.




You admitted yourself, in an Arsenal match, that Ronaldos reputation stuck with him

No i didn't



Until you can back it up then I'll continue to disagree.



you think the attention he gets is unfair. until you can prove its unfair i wil disagree.

it works both ways red man



all this time and your still twisting and turning, bringing out the cliches trying to get out of it.

you are a daily source of entertainment and long may it continue.

its amazing to see the lengths liverpool fans will go to defend suarez when the most likely scenario is that he gets more criticism than most because he simply deserves it.

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Raj

Fella can you give me your definition of an act of violence as i'm confused mate.

Raj

"red man no. if you want to see the videos then go to youtube and look at them."


So you can't back your point up then? I provided my proof, on Huth and Fellaini. Your turn.

"you think the attention he gets is unfair. until you can prove its unfair i wil disagree."

I have done with examples if Huth & Fellaini.

"why use the word thug? its totally out of sync with my point."

This again. It's a descriptive word. You claim he's one of the most violent players in the league. Surely the word 'thug' fits? But let's humour you.

In 91 appearances you can only think of 5 unproven incidents involving Suarez. That's one every 18.2 matches. He's a violent player .

"all this time and your still twisting and turning, bringing out the cliches trying to get out of it."

Eh?

The highlights of Spurs v Liverpool this season

Brilliant Bale run sets up Lennon
Filthy cheat Dempsey dives to set up completely undeserved 2-1 win

Brilliant Suarez goal puts liverpool up 1-0
Filthy cheat Bale deceives ref to put Spurs up 1-2
Filthy cheat Sturridge dives but ref not interested
Suarez fouled late on to set up penalty for 3-2 Liverpool win, probably should have been a draw.


What's the talking point?
EVIL Suarez shouts loudly when he gets fouled. ooooo.
EVIL Suarez involved in handbags with Dembele (who was the more 'violent' person)
EVIL Suarez ate 3 Orphans. Alive. With a rusty fork.



This is why we defend him, not because he's a saint FFS.

Raj didn't even say goodbye

Red666, you're on my list of good mancs on here for your conduct on here the past few days (you may be on there already, I'm easily confused).

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This article is still going on..

*Bane voice* "This great thread... it will endure. Two Luis Suarez's will survive!"

My lord is Raj still on this thread 24hrs later? raj you're a good lad still OBSESSED with Suarez though

Red666

That is a fair assessment. I said as much when I saw it on MOTD2. Raj can't seem to grasp this and thinks I'm saying Suarez is completely innocent.

Raj can't grasp much red_man

"Raj can't seem to grasp this and thinks I'm saying Suarez is completely innocent."

This seems to be a recurring theme amongst people who criticise Suarez.

If you criticise any cheater from any team, 99% of his fans will say "yeah, he's a cheater, but so is Player X..."

But when Liverpool fans do the same, it often ends up with the opposition fans saying bizarre stuff like "He can do no wrong in your eyes".

Like a lot of us have said, it's the over the top nature of the criticism (which goes hand in hand with the regular misconceptions about LFC fans' attitudes) that we object to.

It's often a vicious circle, too; we take issue with some of the wild exaggerations about Suarez, which in turn leads to accusations of us not acknowledging his infractions, which leads to the opposition fans just getting mired deeper in the cycle of criticising him and reinforces their ideas about us apparently defending his actions.

In the main, I just laugh at it, but it can become overwhelming on here.

Just wish we had someone as unbiased as Red666 commenting on the Liverpool side when the usual SAF topic comes up...

Wait, I posted a few seconds to early

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It's often a vicious circle, too; we take issue with some of the wild exaggerations about Suarez, which in turn leads to accusations of us not acknowledging his infractions, which leads to the opposition fans just getting mired deeper in the cycle of criticising him and reinforces their ideas about us apparently defending his actions.
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This happens with Suarez and Liverpool and with United and Ferguson.

I thought about creating a topic about it one day arguing both points at once, how they are both similar in some many ways...

In the end I figured I would be arguing pretty much alone against the whole board on both points so I figured I wouldn't bother.

Well said Doc

You have me for that Arab...... SAF the drunk

I'm sure there are relatively unbiased Liverpool supporters, the problem with sites like this is that when people from any team comment on an article about another team - especially a polarizing player or manager - the odds are that they're looking to have a go.

This thread has been running a while, and I did spot some comments with real perspective from United fans (I think Mexican Rave also said he feels that the media focus on Suarez is ridiculous), but obviously it gets drowned out because someone who's having a go will always be more persistent than someone who's not.

There are a fair few United fans that I like on here.

Dr S

Well said

I like Red666 and URM in terms of the United fans in here. I know we have our differences sometimes, but it doesn't feel as extreme as sond other United fans.

I made a comment defending him...

I was comparing a lot of what he suffers with what has happened to United previously..


National figure of hate?

Beckham, Rooney and Ronaldo. Check.

Unreasonable impression built up without real evidence and kept going by the very myth itself causing every incident to be noticed more than that of others.?

Conspiracy about United getting more decisions. Check.

Basically on the one hand I feel sympathy for you guys for what you are going through with Suarez. On the other hand your fans are the worst for what we have suffered that I listed above. So you can't exactly criticise those who enjoy doing it back that much...

It was an agreement that compared the situation in the way a lot of you may not like there are big similarities though.

Such is the paradoxical, hypocritical world of football fandom!

I mean when you really step back, 90% of arguments are just people blatantly being one-eyed whilst accusing the guy they're arguing with of the same thing.

Still, that knowledge doesn't stop me doing it

nope not at all.

Now anyway, weren't we discussing the most evilest man in all of history Luis Suarez?

Cheets guys

I dont think TOOR would agree with your thoughts regarding how i am on here, but we all have our moments but what the hell eh