Brother Thudd. Take a walk on Equality Street.

Oh yeah....

seven grate i havent ignored your question you have just chosen to ignore my answer

in your attempts to prove your point you are just picking the bits to suit you.

motd is not the only way of measuring reaction to a game. your acting like everyone was talking about suarez and no one about bale. thats not true.

you also ignore the stuff that went on during the game and after the game with dembele/suarez.

as far as i am concerned the reaction after the game was in proportion.

motd will always focus on one main player and incident. thats because they dont have long. thats certainly no way to measure the countrys reaction.

your last two paragraphs sum you up. they basically say that unless people agree with you you'll abuse them.

smooth stuff grater

Raj, you've missed the Dr's point entirely.

Which kind of proves the point he was making.

Get a grip.

no i havent monkey planet. not at all.

^ How not?

tell you what. why dont you tell me what point you think ive missed rather than rambling on without actually saying anything.

^ "rambling on without actually saying anything...."

No Raj, that would appear to be your particular forte.


I've made my point qv. Dr Seven...

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monkey planet you havent actually qualified anything that youve said.

so yeh its just ramblings.

red man did you want to start a new argument because you lost the last one? fair enough

suarez was worse behaved in that game than bale. any idiot can see that.

and yes motd do focus on one big incident and then move onto goals etc. its definitely not the best measure of how much attention each player is getting.

its also stupid to focus on one game. this season bale has appeared on the front of sports sections with stories about his diving. clearly its not being hidden.

its just theres more stuff about suarez and we have covered why that is.

your looking for an agenda where there isnt one.

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*'Red_man makes a good point'

Stupid auto correct.

red man i came to that conclusion when you listed other players that also do what suarez does but separately from each other.

when it was pointed out that it was the combination of faults i was referring to you went quiet.

if motd were the only ones to focus on suarez behaviour doesnt that suggest there isnt a big media agenda against him?

i told you. motd will pick out one or two incidents and make it fit with the key talking point of the game.

you say bale tries to get someone sent off? really? by that logic then so does suarez every game by feigning injury. you hypocrite.

fact is that suarez was involved in slapping/arguments twice, he kicked out off the ball and he exagerrated contact/dived.

of course that will get more attention than bales feigning injury.

talk of an agenda is justt stupid. as if lineker and co have sat round and said yeh lets get suarez? pathetic.

Suarez is a cheat, diver and he's confessed to both

Oh and he's been charged of using racist comments

Swearing at Fulham fans

Biting people

Handballs on the line

Classy player

had forgotten about the swearing at fulham fans

yet another reason why he would get more attention from fans and media.

but of course it must be an agenda against him. in comparison to others he is just a normal player who does the odd thing wrong.

yeh right.

Raj

"red man i came to that conclusion when you listed other players that also do what suarez does but separately from each other.

when it was pointed out that it was the combination of faults i was referring to you went quiet."

Have you got amnesia or something. That's not how it happened. Here is my last post before other people got involved;

Raj

No you've contradicted yourself. A couple of days ago you claimed Suarez gets attention because 'he does it more than anyone else'. This evening you've said 'it doesn't matter how's my times he does it'. You've also acknowledged plenty of players exaggerate contact. So why does Suarez get attention on this front if 'it doesn't matter how many times he does it' and 'plenty of other players do it'?

"why change the criteria? because tottenham fans would argue that 3 of those were unfair because there was clear contact and it is therefore exagerrating contact like suarez does every game."

In other words because it suits your argument. Bale dives more than Suarez. Suarez can't be labelled a diver, based on one dive this season. Simple.

"suarez gets more attention because people see more as a combination of cheating, violence, dissent, diving etc etc."

Let's break this down.

'Cheating' - he does this no more than the majority of players. Remember the amount doesn't matter. Why add this to the list if its common place?

'Violence' - 5 acts of petulance in 91 games. He's never been booked or banned. Other players have.

'Dissent' - Again no more than Rooney, for example, or many many other players that disagree with a decision. It's common place in the hand, why single Suarez out, and add it to the list?

'Diving'- he's dived once this season. Bale by comparison has been booked 4 times, and even banned. Why add diving to the list?

See what I'm getting at? 3 of the things on your list most players do and it's a game wide problem. It's not specific to Luis Suarez.

"why would things get magnified for suarez but not for anyone else? it makes no sense."

Why would things be magnified for Ronaldo, when he played in England, even when he cleaned up his act a bit?

That was me 'keeping quiet'? What world do you live in?

"if motd were the only ones to focus on suarez behaviour doesnt that suggest there isnt a big media agenda against him?"

There has been. Like for example. The week Suarez dived, against Stoke, it was all over the papers. A FIFA delegate even got involved. It was the same week Bale also dived, and it was laughed off on MOTD.

"you say bale tries to get someone sent off? really?"

Has Suarez ever gone to the ref claiming to have been elbowed by another professional, when replays showed it was a clash of heads?

"fact is that suarez was involved in slapping/arguments twice"

Which Dembele started. It was nothing and neither player was booked.

"he kicked out off the ball"

Yep and I've said he should've been booked for it.

"and he exagerrated contact/dived"

Eh when?

"i told you. motd will pick out one or two incidents and make it fit with the key talking point of the game."

Ah right so the response I got, about MOTD being more analysis heavy on Sundays, is not true then? You know better. Is it any wonder you've earnt a reputation in a short space of time?

Why is it I've had people mention me making valid points, including a United fan. Yet you're seen as hard to debate with and unreasonable? Have you ever thought about that?

red man and why don't you go back and read my response?

i pointed out that whilst you can list people who do one of the things suarez does my whole point is that he does all of them.

get it yet?

watch the highlights for his exagerrating contact. even seven grater acknowledged it if you check back.

even if the analysis is heavier they will still choose a subject and focus on it. its standard tv behaviour for highlights.

you are trying to prove a UK wide conspiracy using one episode of motd.

do you see how laughable that is?

so one united fan said differently. well i know several liverpool fans that disagree with you.

i will be seen as something by you lot because i am saying suarez gets the attention and criticism he deserves.

big shock.

Raj

Oh dear, you really have got prpblems with your memory. You also said that it doesn't matter how often a person does any of the things you mentioned.

I asked you if the amount he 'feigns injury' doesn't matter. Why use it as part of your criteria when judging him? The same applies for 'dissent' & 'diving'. Why include these 3 when you clearly stated the amount he does it doesn't matter?

"watch the highlights for his exagerrating contact. even seven grater acknowledged it if you check back."

Give us examples. You claim he did something, prove it.

"even if the analysis is heavier they will still choose a subject and focus on it. its standard tv behaviour for highlights."

Why have I seen MOTD focus on the diving of two players from different sides? Why have I seen NOTD show analysis of one teams defensive play, and their opponents attacking play. MOTD focus on lots if different things in their post match analysis. Your wrong in this one.

"you are trying to prove a UK wide conspiracy using one episode of motd."

Ah right you've convieniently ignored this in my last post;

There has been. Like for example. The week Suarez dived, against Stoke, it was all over the papers. A FIFA delegate even got involved. It was the same week Bale also dived, and it was laughed off on MOTD.

How is that using 'one episode of MOTD to prove a conspiricacy? That's giving you a clear example of the contrast in reaction between two players doing the same thing.

"so one united fan said differently. well i know several liverpool fans that disagree with you."

Do you, prove it. Of are we playing 'Raj says' again?

no i said that about kicking people off the ball because suarez has done it 3/4/5 times and bale has done it none.

try again.

how can i prove it? i havent written them down and dont remember the incidents. i remember seeing it and seven grater a liverpool fan acknowledged it so thats that. is this another attempt for you to get out of something because i dont want to spend hours online finding replays?

we dont all spend our lives on a forum you know.

motd do focus on lots of things if they are equal. this wasnt equal.

feigning injury happens all over the place. its rarely a talking point.

what suarez did as a combination of things was.

a classic example of what im talking about.

many of bales dive have been debatable because of contact. the one where there wasnt contact was focused on on motd just like the one which suarez did was focused on.

but no. apparently its more likely lineker and the editor decided to pick on suarez for no apparent reason.

you want me to prove that people i know away from the forum have said something?

are you for real?

seriously. some of us have actual lives where we talk to people away from a forum.

try it sometime.

Give it up Red Man, you're fighting a losing battle, he's universally hated apart from Liverpool fans, there must be a valid reason.

If he was a United played you'd be on his back, fact

Raj

No you said this;

"whether its 3 or 4 or 5 or 100 incidents is irrelevant to the overall point."

I then pointed out to you that a couple of days ago you stated 'Suarez gets more attention because of the amount of times he feigns injury, dives etc'.

I then asked you, if the amount of times Suarez does it is 'irrelevant', and most players feign injury, dive etc. why mention these categories when drawing up your rap sheet? Why mention something most players do?

Why not just mention Suarez's petulance?

Thudd

Just to be clear. I've never said Suarez is an angel. I've said to Raj that he's a petulant sod, who used to dive too much. He also did himself no favours with the racism row.

What annoys me is this rap sheet people come up with including every petty incident he's ever been involved in. Most players cheat, to win free kicks/throw ins. I'd say every forward player feigns injury. There are more prolific divers in the league, this season. Yet these things are included in Raj's 'why I hate Suarez' list. It's quite pathetic IMO .

Redman don't bother mate Suarez is the devil in most people's eyes and nothing you say will change their mind.

Raj is an obsessed hypocrite and not worth arguing with, he just hates Suarez but can't help talking about him as consistently as Suarez scores goals.

That piece on motd was cringeworthy and laughable pat nevin doing his all to stop the best player in the pl winning player of the year

Suarez does what the vast majority of players do on a weekly basis but when he does it he's all evil but other players do it it's shrugged off as part of the game.

#obsessedhypocrites

Give it up Red Man, you're fighting a losing battle, he's universally hated apart from Liverpool fans, there must be a valid reason.

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How so? By Ghana maybe and then in England, is he hated around Europe and south America?
No but of course England is the universe

Also I'm pretty sure he's a big with the Ajax fans