not six

you are now just making yourself look ridiculous by posting the same ridiculous charade of rubbish and l-i-e-s every time you post back to me and basicily acting like a silly little child that has been found out but is afraid of losing face by telling the truth

i am prepared to be completly candid and honest with you about my time on not 606 but you are not prepared to tell me who you are or were on there - how can we share any kind of experiance about not 606 if i dont know who you are or were -

---------------- if you were on there what are you so afraid of , why are you so terrified of telling me who you were and when you were on there ?

seriously what can we reasonably discuss about not 606 if i dont know who you are or were and the timespan you were on there -

i am prepared to be completely honest with you --- what are you so afraid of ?

You're not kidding anyone Martial, I'm not going to tell you who I am on n606 as I know full well once you know that you'll move onto something else to stall answering my simple questions.

I have been on n606 from before bbc606 closed and I am there now, how does that even remotely change your experience of n606

Thank you for suggesting I am that important to you but the fact of the matter is that I am not that important to either you or n606

This all started because you suggested the only reason someone could dislike Vettel was bigotry, and that this could be seen on n606, a 'bigoted forum'.
You've been caught out my old chap, caught out big style. Not even your frankly delusional little show can hide how caught out you have been

I have given you chance after chance to explain your comment or admit a honest mistake but you just kept on digging, loosing more and more face, getting wound up along the way, and for what? Do you really think you've come out of this looking better than you would have if you had admitted your mistake or attempted a adult debate?

How many chances Martial, how many do you want? I've had a smile on my face all evening at your ever more desperate attempts to get out of this, but yet I genuinely did want to have a mature debate with you. I'm sorry you are not capable of being a adult, even at your supposed age

not six

you are now just acting like a little child and repeating the same parrot fashion rubbish because you cant think of anything else to say because you have no answer to give that i wont tear to shreds
--- and you know me well enough to know that i am smart enough to tear you to shreds if you l-i-e to me that is why you are afraid to give me a proper honest truthful reply -

as i said if you were on not 606 why are you so afraid to say who you were -
i can tell you the exact dates i was on there and my username was martial artist so i am prepared to be open , honest and candid with you

how can we debate anything about not 606 if i dont know who you were and the dates you were on there -

----- now stop playing silly little games and act like an adult --- and tell the truth and we can end this farce or if you were on there we can debate the specifics of our time on there and my experiances on there -
------- i take it you are a grown man
----- grow up tell the truth and act like a grown man and not a silly little boy that keeps on telling silly little l-i-e-s --
----- what do you say --- are you going to start to tell the truth

Martial this truly is getting funnier and funnier

"repeating the same parrot fashion rubbish because you cant think of anything else to say because you have no answer to give that i wont tear to shreds" = what you're doing

I hope you can see this, although its funny either way. You've said nothing new all evening, nothing at all. You've called me every name you think you can get away with to try and provoke me and the more I resist the more you get wound up. You couldn't make this stuff up, you really couldn't

Tell me again why I am so important to you, tell me why who I am so matters to your past experience of somewhere

I've told you over and over I was there long before you and long afterwards, why does that even matter. You experience there is in the past and who I am can't change it, you may think I'm that important but trust me, I'm not

Come on Martial, stand up for yourself properly, have some dignity and try and have a adult discussion with me.

Caught this one late. There is no anti-Vettel conspiracy, apart from me as I dislike the guy and have done for some time. Showed his colours the other week with that fiasco with Webber.

Alonso is the superior driver and for me, the best driver on the track. Vettel has had the best car, and the best help from his team hence his winning 3 world titles. I'd put Vettel below Hamilton and Raikonnen in terms of who's the better driver. Hopefully this year Alonso and Ferrari will be able to knock Vettel off his perch.

Every world champion as far as I can remember had the best car. This is not an excuse to trash Vettel. The guy along with Alonso is clearly head and shoulders above anyone on the grid.

A couple of years ago people used to critisize him saying he was crash kid, couldn't overtake etc. Now he has shown what kind of a driver he really is with all those fantastic overtakes and manouvers.

I don't think Vettel is anywhere near Alonso, Hamilton or Button in ability to overtake. Not his fault as he normally qualifies so high up the grid he doesn't need to overtake but I don't think hes close to the other 3 I mentioned in that respect.

Guess you didnt seee him last year when he started in the pits and still managed a respectable 5th. He can overtake no doubt. Not as good as Alonso but you have to remember that RBR is not known for their straight line speed compared to Ferrari as they mostly rely on minimising the down force as much as possible.

Ferrari have a monstrous straight line speed however struggle a bit in qualifying. Its all related.

I am a Vettel fan but also rate Alonso. Thats why I believe both are by far the best drivers on the grid. No one comes close

Fair point, I'm not saying he's a bad driver by any stretch. Just from what I've seen so far, if all drivers had the same car then he'd be below Alonso, Hamilton and Raikonnen at least.

I am an Alonso fan though so may be a bit of bias

Once, or should I say if Vettel stops winning then people (to generalise) will give him more credit. Every current past champion on the grid is held is higher regard now than when they won their championships. Everyone guns for you when you're at the top.

Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton are the obvious ones on top of their game now with Button and Raikkonen putting in worthy efforts to join that trio. There really is a lot of talent on the grid right now and its something I really enjoy

Just watch Bianchi, everyones singing his praises right now but once he gets a good car and therefore wins he will suddenly find more and more people disliking him. I don't understand why people do it but I am fully aware of it happening.

n six o six

ok -- i wont push you anymore to tell me who you are or were on not 606

from your transparent excuses that fool nobody least of all me it does not take somebody with the intellect of einstein to fathom out you have never even been a member on there --

I'm glad my membership of another forum is important enough in your life Martial. I've moved on since I've made my point very clear so maybe you should to. Let your daydream of a thought come to a end and come back to the real world.

You've been caught out and the biggest shame is you weren't able to accept that. I've happily debated the topic in hand all day but it seems you're still stuck in your little rut. At least you've got those toys you threw out of the pram earlier

N_six0six (U13776) it has been interesting reading your attempts to engage with reasonable but futile dialogue with Martial Artist.

Not606 is not bigotted. Anyone can read the posts on that forum and copy and paste anything they felt justified in substantiating that observation. It is not necessary for you to identify yourself.

However, I was a bit dismayed to read your opinion regarding the not606 member RI.

You see, I am that member RI and I have not been banned from the website. The F1 moderators prevent me from posting on the subject of F1. They did not give me a warning or a second chance and all three of them have refused point blank to justify their action.

Martial was banned because he targeted any member that had the slightest positive view of Lewis Hamilton. Most of his articles had to be locked as he became more agitated with people disagreeing with him. He specifically targeted Cosicave, a person that no one could fall out with. Martial created another id called “doings” in order to carry on his hatred but he was found out within minutes.

I fell out with the the not606f1 moderators solely due to me disagreeing with miggins. Miggins must hold the world record for the number of his posts that he has had removed and the number of temporary bans he has received. However, the moderators seem to have a soft spot for him.

Miggins created an article demanding that all not606 members sign a petition to get the Bahrain GP removed from the calendar. At that time the F1 community in general was dived 50/50 regarding the inclusion of that race. However, on not606 I was the only member that questioned the justification for such a move and I attempted to articulate my viewpoint. No such look I am afraid when you disagree with miggins. The other members all raced to his support and then I was banned from F1.

Amusing really when you look at the site today and see those same people that condemned me for my view are now looking forward to Sunday's race. Are you one of them by any chance?

The other members all raced to his support and then I was banned from F1.
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likely story that

whatever happened on the other board, if posters on here just post reasonable comments based on what has happened, and allow others to do the same, and if posters do not go out of their way to try to annoy other posters or post ridiculous comments to try to justify previous statements which no one could care less about anyway, then things should run fairly smoothly I would have thought

JPB I am surprised that my plight did not have your sympathy after all you have been banned from JA606F1. My ban was for taking a moral stand and your ban was for being an immature irritating nuisance.

I held my viewpoint to provide an intelligent balance to the hysterical over reactions then taking place. You like to be an irritating nuisance because it some how amuses you. Take my intelligent advice and amuse yourself more productively by watching 20 year old sitcoms such as Dads Army.

When people talk about Vettel's overtaking skills in Abu Dhabi, it makes me laugh. He started in the pit lane and was allowed to change his set up; gear ratios, wing etc. In that race what he achieved was superb, people also forget he almost ended his race behind a safety car doing God knows what. He also changed his front wing because he ran into someone but wasn't punished because of another safety car. It was a great drive but the safety car helped him out immensely.

The same people slate Hamilton who drove from last place in Barcelona as a result of a penalty overtaking people on a track notoriously difficult to overtake on to finish in the points ahead of his team mate, who started much higher up the grid.

That is what I do not understand, Vettel will be praised for that but the Vettel fans and other people who despise Hamilton will not appreciate that.

F1 isn't a popularity contest so you do not have to like everyone but to deny the truth that is sitting right in front of you is silly.

Since 2009 and for half of last year Vettel has had the fastest car on the grid. The great majority of his race wins have been him leading from pole to post unchallenged. When people have had similar or equal equipment, he hasn't been as immense, which makes people wonder, is he all that? Even in 2011, Button and Hamilton beat him in races when he had the fastest car on the grid and you have to ask again, is he all that?

Make no mistake, being a triple world champion is not something to be scoffed at but the circumstances surrounding those wins make all but last years one a bit hollow.

I would like to see what he can do in a car not the fastest on the grid and if he performs as impressively, I will give him all the praise he deserves

My ban was for taking a moral stand
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that might be what you think your ban was for, but I can pretty much guarantee that it was for being an ignorant abusive self absorbed prattt.

I would like to see what he can do in a car not the fastest on the grid and if he performs as impressively, I will give him all the praise he deserves
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Completely agree. For my reckoning I think he'd finish somewhere between 4th and 7th.

I'm sorry you feel that way WTCBU but from what I can remeber you were banned as you went from thread to thread following a few members around to simply try and wind them up. No matter what the topic you were only there to pick a fight. You had several public warnings and several chances. You seem much more controlled now so hopefully it did you some good

I'd like to draw a line under all this other forum talk now, its not fair on ja606 to constantly talk about another forum. Let bygones be bygones and for those who wish to I really can't say how much more interesting it is being on several forums at the same time. Theres so many things you miss out on if you solely stick to one forum. This forum has its perks and thats why I'm here :D

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n six o six

ok mate no problem - you dont want to tell me what your username was on not 606 -
lets not forget you first doubted my opinion on that forum ( i never asked you to ) and then when i gave you the chance to enter into a proper dialog about not 606 you for whatever unfathomable reason dont want to tell me your username --- imaginary or otherwise -
---- i am not going to labour the point anymore - no hard feelings

by the way you was correct about RI on not 606 -- he was actually banned from not 606 for launching gutless cowardly spiteful little hate campaigns against myself ( as he has been doing on this forum )and others on there and then went crawling back to them on the " other motor sports section " trying to get reinstated --

man unt devil

somebody wants to tell mark webber he has had the fastest car for so long maybe the mclarens would not have blown him off as much as they did

Webber was almost world champion in 2010 martial with the redbull.

Since then redbull have ensured the number 2 driver didn't challenge their golden child.

For some reason, since 2010, webber's car has had one issue after another but seb's hasn't. Two identical cars, only one always having issues. Really puzzling that. When Webber has the package, he has shown he is more than a match for Vettel and Webber is slightly better than average.

So if someone is slightly better than average and can compete with Vettel with ease when the mysterious gremlins affecting his car are quiet, what does that say about Vettel