comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 4 minutes ago
This is explained in the in-universe factbook 'Star Wars: Rey's Survival Guide'.
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Not interested. It was not explained in the film. Anyone can retrospectively apply an explanation via some other medium but that does not exonerate the movie itself.

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Yea really needed to spend an hour on her back story on how a little girl growing up on a planet filled with different aliens and droids got to learn different languages

Okay I'll try the falcon one next

You assumed is the “less than a minute.” We have no idea how long Rey spends fixing the gas leak, or how far they get away from Jakku. Judging from the way Han reacts to the naming of Jakku we can figure that they are just about as far away as sublight can get them.
It’s still a mighty coincidence, but nothing a little light imagination — Ducain and the Irving Boys put tracking bafflers on the Falcon that Unkar Plutt removed at some point to sell to someone else once Rey takes off they get picked up by the scanners ( as said clearly in the film by Han )

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 5 seconds ago
Luke bumping into Yoda within minutes on Dagobah sure made a lot of sense
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You don't think the most powerful jedi master - who we KNOW can see the future - might just have anticipated his arrival?

Not exactly a complicated brain teaser, that one.

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What didn't make sense in Episode 7 then and I will apply similar logic.
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Ha! I seriously doubt that...And what is wrong with my logic anyway?

There are far too many examples to list of things that didn't make sense in Episode 7.

For the sake of brevity I will list just a couple.

1) Why does Rey understand BB8 language, R2 droid language and the wookie language? Where exactly did she attend all these language courses on the desert planet of Jakku where she had to scavenge for parts in order to afford to buy a single bread muffin? Even if there was a language school on the planet,why would she bother learning them?

Not only that but nobody in the film finds it even the least bit strange that she can speak all these languages! Not even Han or Chewie batter an eyelid...BB8 is even described as being "one of a kind" yet Rey still understands every word!

2) You talk about the "coincidence" of Luke bumping into Yoda but we KNOW that Yoda is psychic so that really isn't a coincidence at all. What is a coincidence is Han bumping into the Falcon within minutes of Rey taking off in it.

How small is this galaxy exactly?

I could list several dozen more examples but plenty of others have done that already.

E.g.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/40-unforgivable-plot-holes-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens_b_8850324.html

http://whatculture.com/film/star-wars-the-force-awakens-10-plot-holes-that-almost-ruined-the-film

https://noahjnelson.com/i-wasn-t-going-to-do-this-6970c5aefb14#.jm3lijic6

Other Star Wars films had moments that didn't make sense...the difference is that TFA had so many that it is actually quicker to list the things that DID make sense.


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As for your 2nd point the reason Han found the Falcon is he had a tracker on it so whenever the Falcon took off he'd be able to locate it, he even said as such in the film.

As for your first point it is believed Rey spent so much time with droids and machinery that she learnt binary which is the language that BB-8 speaks. Poe also knows binary. As for the Wookiee I don't know but then there are a lot of things we don't know about Rey, I wouldn't claim that as a plot hole personally especially as there are loads of humans that can understand Chewbacca.

comment by ツ VertongHєиgу (U9129)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 4 minutes ago
This is explained in the in-universe factbook 'Star Wars: Rey's Survival Guide'.
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Not interested. It was not explained in the film. Anyone can retrospectively apply an explanation via some other medium but that does not exonerate the movie itself.

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Yea really needed to spend an hour on her back story on how a little girl growing up on a planet filled with different aliens and droids got to learn different languages
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The planet is a desert FFS! It is not "filled with" anything.....We barely even see any other droids on the planet do we? And when exactly did we see a load of wookies?

And why not spend some time on Rey's backstory if she is supposed to be the protagonist? Episode 4 spent plenty of time on Luke's backstory.

For me, one of the issues of TFA is that the Director expects the audiences to care about Rey (if not fall in love with her...) despite not bothering to tell the audience anything about her whatsoever! Oh, except how perfect she is of course. All we know about her is that she is good at...well...everything!

TBH they didn't even needto explain some of these things. If a character had even just expressed surprise at Rey's abilities then that alone would have hinted that there is at least a reason for them. But no...everyone acted like it was normal for her to be able to do all these amazing things which made no sense!

Before claiming loads of plot holes maybe look up on the background info of the film first

Also remember this is part 1 of a 3 part trilogy. We are not meant to have all the answers yet.

As for your 2nd point the reason Han found the Falcon is he had a tracker on it so whenever the Falcon took off he'd be able to locate it, he even said as such in the film.
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Yes but that does not explain why he happened to be right next to the Falcon as soon as it took off, does it?

For goodness sake, think about it! obers complained that Luke bumped into Yoda on Dagobah despite a) knowing Yoda was there and b) knowing that Yoda was psychic and therefore expecting Luke to arrive.

If THAT is a coincidence then how can you explain Han being right next to Jakku when Rey takes off?



"there are loads of humans that can understand Chewbacca."
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That is just plain false. Apart from Han, name one!

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by ツ VertongHєиgу (U9129)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 4 minutes ago
This is explained in the in-universe factbook 'Star Wars: Rey's Survival Guide'.
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Not interested. It was not explained in the film. Anyone can retrospectively apply an explanation via some other medium but that does not exonerate the movie itself.

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Yea really needed to spend an hour on her back story on how a little girl growing up on a planet filled with different aliens and droids got to learn different languages
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The planet is a desert FFS! It is not "filled with" anything.....We barely even see any other droids on the planet do we? And when exactly did we see a load of wookies?

And why not spend some time on Rey's backstory if she is supposed to be the protagonist? Episode 4 spent plenty of time on Luke's backstory.

For me, one of the issues of TFA is that the Director expects the audiences to care about Rey (if not fall in love with her...) despite not bothering to tell the audience anything about her whatsoever! Oh, except how perfect she is of course. All we know about her is that she is good at...well...everything!

TBH they didn't even needto explain some of these things. If a character had even just expressed surprise at Rey's abilities then that alone would have hinted that there is at least a reason for them. But no...everyone acted like it was normal for her to be able to do all these amazing things which made no sense!

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So as a scavenger she's not dealing with other species computer equipment and droids that are coming and going where the falcon was found?

comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 3 minutes ago
Before claiming loads of plot holes maybe look up on the background info of the film first
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Erm....why would I have to do that?

You guys have just been saying that you don't even watch the trailers but for some reason I have to do background research for film to make sense?

deary me.

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 39 seconds ago
As for your 2nd point the reason Han found the Falcon is he had a tracker on it so whenever the Falcon took off he'd be able to locate it, he even said as such in the film.
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Yes but that does not explain why he happened to be right next to the Falcon as soon as it took off, does it?

For goodness sake, think about it! obers complained that Luke bumped into Yoda on Dagobah despite a) knowing Yoda was there and b) knowing that Yoda was psychic and therefore expecting Luke to arrive.

If THAT is a coincidence then how can you explain Han being right next to Jakku when Rey takes off?



"there are loads of humans that can understand Chewbacca."
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That is just plain false. Apart from Han, name one!


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Yoda & Lando

So as a scavenger she's not dealing with other species computer equipment and droids that are coming and going where the falcon was found?
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Explain to me how ripping parts off a spaceship teaches you languages.

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 57 seconds ago
As for your 2nd point the reason Han found the Falcon is he had a tracker on it so whenever the Falcon took off he'd be able to locate it, he even said as such in the film.
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Yes but that does not explain why he happened to be right next to the Falcon as soon as it took off, does it?

For goodness sake, think about it! obers complained that Luke bumped into Yoda on Dagobah despite a) knowing Yoda was there and b) knowing that Yoda was psychic and therefore expecting Luke to arrive.

If THAT is a coincidence then how can you explain Han being right next to Jakku when Rey takes off?



"there are loads of humans that can understand Chewbacca."
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That is just plain false. Apart from Han, name one!


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They weren't right next to Jakku though. Han's surprise when they mentioned Jakku illustrates that. There was obviously a time lapse.

And I meant to say characters not humans. Yoda for one understands Chewbacca..

Yoda & Lando
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Evidence?

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 10 seconds ago
So as a scavenger she's not dealing with other species computer equipment and droids that are coming and going where the falcon was found?
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Explain to me how ripping parts off a spaceship teaches you languages.

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Read the book

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 20 seconds ago
Yoda & Lando
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Evidence?
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The films add Ben kenobi too

Yoda for one understands Chewbacca..
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Even if that's true, Yoda (like Han) clearly has Wookie friends. He even says as much, citing that as a reason for going to meet with them on behalf of the jedi in the first place...

comment by ツ VertongHєиgу (U9129)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 20 seconds ago
Yoda & Lando
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Evidence?
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The films add Ben kenobi too
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So you admit that you can't cite any evidence then.

And no, Ben Kenobi cannot understand Chewbacca in the film. He might do in the novel but that is irrelevant.

comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 10 seconds ago
So as a scavenger she's not dealing with other species computer equipment and droids that are coming and going where the falcon was found?
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Explain to me how ripping parts off a spaceship teaches you languages.

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Read the book
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WHY?

How many times do I need to point out that the book is not the film?

The comics are not the film

The internet is not the film

The expanded universe is not the film.

For the last time, we are talking about the films!!!

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ツ VertongHєиgу (U9129)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 20 seconds ago
Yoda & Lando
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Evidence?
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The films add Ben kenobi too
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So you admit that you can't cite any evidence then.

And no, Ben Kenobi cannot understand Chewbacca in the film. He might do in the novel but that is irrelevant.

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Ben speaks to chewbacca in the film

It was not highlighted in Episode 5 that Yoda can predict the future so that is you're logic out the window.

They weren't right next to Jakku though. Han's surprise when they mentioned Jakku illustrates that. There was obviously a time lapse.
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Didn't seem like it to me. They had literally just taken off.

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
They weren't right next to Jakku though. Han's surprise when they mentioned Jakku illustrates that. There was obviously a time lapse.
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Didn't seem like it to me. They had literally just taken off.

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You don't understand films do you ?

comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 7 seconds ago
It was not highlighted in Episode 5 that Yoda can predict the future so that is you're logic out the window.#
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Do you ever get bored of being wrong?

It WAS highlighted in Episode 5, more than once.

E.g.

[Luke has seen a vision of Han, Leia and Chewie being tortured in Cloud City]
Luke: I saw - I saw a city in the clouds.
Yoda: [nods] Friends you have there.
Luke: They were in pain...
Yoda: It is the future you see.
Luke: The future?


And another example just for good measure:-

Luke Skywalker: But Han and Leia will die if I don't.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: [appearing in spirit next to Yoda] You don't know that. Even Yoda cannot see their fate.

Both of these exchanges CLEARLY indicate that Yoda can see the future.

Obers, have you even seen Empire Strikes Back? You seem to know naff all about it!!

"do you ever get tired of being wrong?"

Generally that statement is used when you've proved someone wrong more than once...

comment by ツ VertongHєиgу (U9129)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ツ VertongHєиgу (U9129)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 20 seconds ago
Yoda & Lando
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Evidence?
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The films add Ben kenobi too
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So you admit that you can't cite any evidence then.

And no, Ben Kenobi cannot understand Chewbacca in the film. He might do in the novel but that is irrelevant.

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Ben speaks to chewbacca in the film
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Btw the evidence

Ben is standing next to Chewbacca, an eight-foot-tall savage-looking creature [...] He is a two-hundred-year-old Wookiee and a sight to behold.

Ben speaks to the Wookiee, pointing to Luke several times during his conversation and the huge creature suddenly lets out a horrifying laugh. Luke is more than a little bit disconcerted and pretends not to hear the conversation between Ben and the giant Wookiee.