Aye, the Slovakia game was pretty poor, their game plan actually worked better ours IMO, they wanted a 0-0, allowed England to have the ball, presumably confident we would struggle to break them down, and got what they wanted.
To beat the team who topped the group but finish behind them after three games is tragic, I said before the tournament that Hodgson would be the death of England and nothing I've seen during this competition has persuaded me to think otherwise.
Brilliant stuff from Wales btw, made Russia look like a League One team and comfortably put them away, none of this last minute, "two points dropped but didn't we play well" bs
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 2 minutes ago
Could they not do a drawer after the group stages? I don't see it being that much harder logistically.
Also Portugal have been shocking so far. Would fancy plenty of teams over them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could look at any tournament and see teams that haven't played well in their first two games but gone far (and even won) the competition
Am I missing something?
How have Italy won the group already. Can't Belgium finish above if win 2-0 and Italy lose to Rep? (I know, unlikely).
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 24 seconds ago
Am I missing something?
How have Italy won the group already. Can't Belgium finish above if win 2-0 and Italy lose to Rep? (I know, unlikely).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes you are
H2H
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 3 seconds ago
Am I missing something?
How have Italy won the group already. Can't Belgium finish above if win 2-0 and Italy lose to Rep? (I know, unlikely).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i think in a tie within a group the first decisive factor is head to head, and GD only counts after that
what we can say for sure is that if england had won their group they could look at the tournament and think that they have a real chance of winning it. as it is i would guess we're set for a plucky defeat to france in the QFs...sigh.
Hopefully we will have learnt how to finish by the QF so it shouldn't matter who we play.
There's going be another Greece 2004 eh
Still I suppose it makes a change to the bigger teams getting 'protection' from each other often witnessed at World Cups....
I've actually preferred some of the games featuring teams from the level below anyway.
comment by TheTuesdayClubinNZ#arrolite🍷🍻🍹🍸 (U14109)
posted 1 minute ago
There's going be another Greece 2004 eh
Still I suppose it makes a change to the bigger teams getting 'protection' from each other often witnessed at World Cups....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
but if a "lacking in quality but plucky underdog" is going to win it why couldn't it be england for once?
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ditto, I haven't liked the balance at all so far.
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
Don
I just think we lack the intelligence to keep it tight & play on the counter as we probably think we can go toe to toe with any team
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not a chance. Wales played like an allardyce team against fergies utd.
Same wakes in other matches played with more freedom. TBH I couldn't believe the way they played against england after the hype. Was expecting a thrashing for england.
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not a chance. Wales played like an allardyce team against fergies utd.
Same wakes in other matches played with more freedom. TBH I couldn't believe the way they played against england after the hype. Was expecting a thrashing for england.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So suddenly we're as bad as Russia are?
You don't think you're overrating Wales just a tad? A great result against a poor Russia team who dared to come out their own half, does not make them the tournament favourites.
England are better than Wales 99 times out of 100.
Croatia have a massive chance to get to the final..... glad I have a £20 bet at 24/1
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not a chance. Wales played like an allardyce team against fergies utd.
Same wakes in other matches played with more freedom. TBH I couldn't believe the way they played against england after the hype. Was expecting a thrashing for england.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So suddenly we're as bad as Russia are?
You don't think you're overrating Wales just a tad? A great result against a poor Russia team who dared to come out their own half, does not make them the tournament favourites.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Serious question do you think England have been that much better than Russia?
My point is England have been poor and wales played different against them than they did in their other games
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not a chance. Wales played like an allardyce team against fergies utd.
Same wakes in other matches played with more freedom. TBH I couldn't believe the way they played against england after the hype. Was expecting a thrashing for england.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So suddenly we're as bad as Russia are?
You don't think you're overrating Wales just a tad? A great result against a poor Russia team who dared to come out their own half, does not make them the tournament favourites.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Serious question do you think England have been that much better than Russia?
My point is England have been poor and wales played different against them than they did in their other games
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your point is absolutely stupid.
If Wales went into their shell against England it's because England made them go into their shells. And yet you act like England are as bad as Russia.
Wow
comment by Robb Hodgson (U20351)
posted 12 minutes ago
England are better than Wales 99 times out of 100.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Robb I am speaking of just these games so far. I am not saying Wales are suddenly in with a chance to win the euros.
What I am saying is the way wales played against england was different to how they have played other games so far. They simply looked frightened
Again my main point is I don't see the positives I have been reading. England have been poor and underwhelming so far and I see them getting into the knock out phases as a chance to get their act together or lose
comment by Robb Hodgson (U20351)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not a chance. Wales played like an allardyce team against fergies utd.
Same wakes in other matches played with more freedom. TBH I couldn't believe the way they played against england after the hype. Was expecting a thrashing for england.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So suddenly we're as bad as Russia are?
You don't think you're overrating Wales just a tad? A great result against a poor Russia team who dared to come out their own half, does not make them the tournament favourites.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Serious question do you think England have been that much better than Russia?
My point is England have been poor and wales played different against them than they did in their other games
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your point is absolutely stupid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't doubt you think that tbh. But then again we are speaking about football and its not really your forte
Sign in if you want to comment
Knockout Stages
Page 2 of 4
posted on 21/6/16
Aye, the Slovakia game was pretty poor, their game plan actually worked better ours IMO, they wanted a 0-0, allowed England to have the ball, presumably confident we would struggle to break them down, and got what they wanted.
To beat the team who topped the group but finish behind them after three games is tragic, I said before the tournament that Hodgson would be the death of England and nothing I've seen during this competition has persuaded me to think otherwise.
Brilliant stuff from Wales btw, made Russia look like a League One team and comfortably put them away, none of this last minute, "two points dropped but didn't we play well" bs
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 2 minutes ago
Could they not do a drawer after the group stages? I don't see it being that much harder logistically.
Also Portugal have been shocking so far. Would fancy plenty of teams over them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could look at any tournament and see teams that haven't played well in their first two games but gone far (and even won) the competition
posted on 21/6/16
Am I missing something?
How have Italy won the group already. Can't Belgium finish above if win 2-0 and Italy lose to Rep? (I know, unlikely).
posted on 21/6/16
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 24 seconds ago
Am I missing something?
How have Italy won the group already. Can't Belgium finish above if win 2-0 and Italy lose to Rep? (I know, unlikely).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes you are
H2H
posted on 21/6/16
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 3 seconds ago
Am I missing something?
How have Italy won the group already. Can't Belgium finish above if win 2-0 and Italy lose to Rep? (I know, unlikely).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i think in a tie within a group the first decisive factor is head to head, and GD only counts after that
posted on 21/6/16
what we can say for sure is that if england had won their group they could look at the tournament and think that they have a real chance of winning it. as it is i would guess we're set for a plucky defeat to france in the QFs...sigh.
posted on 21/6/16
Hopefully we will have learnt how to finish by the QF so it shouldn't matter who we play.
posted on 21/6/16
There's going be another Greece 2004 eh
Still I suppose it makes a change to the bigger teams getting 'protection' from each other often witnessed at World Cups....
posted on 21/6/16
I've actually preferred some of the games featuring teams from the level below anyway.
posted on 21/6/16
Ah ok, cheers.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by TheTuesdayClubinNZ#arrolite🍷🍻🍹🍸 (U14109)
posted 1 minute ago
There's going be another Greece 2004 eh
Still I suppose it makes a change to the bigger teams getting 'protection' from each other often witnessed at World Cups....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
but if a "lacking in quality but plucky underdog" is going to win it why couldn't it be england for once?
posted on 21/6/16
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ditto, I haven't liked the balance at all so far.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
posted on 21/6/16
Don
I just think we lack the intelligence to keep it tight & play on the counter as we probably think we can go toe to toe with any team
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not a chance. Wales played like an allardyce team against fergies utd.
Same wakes in other matches played with more freedom. TBH I couldn't believe the way they played against england after the hype. Was expecting a thrashing for england.
posted on 21/6/16
Wales not wakes
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not a chance. Wales played like an allardyce team against fergies utd.
Same wakes in other matches played with more freedom. TBH I couldn't believe the way they played against england after the hype. Was expecting a thrashing for england.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So suddenly we're as bad as Russia are?
You don't think you're overrating Wales just a tad? A great result against a poor Russia team who dared to come out their own half, does not make them the tournament favourites.
posted on 21/6/16
England are better than Wales 99 times out of 100.
posted on 21/6/16
Croatia have a massive chance to get to the final..... glad I have a £20 bet at 24/1
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not a chance. Wales played like an allardyce team against fergies utd.
Same wakes in other matches played with more freedom. TBH I couldn't believe the way they played against england after the hype. Was expecting a thrashing for england.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So suddenly we're as bad as Russia are?
You don't think you're overrating Wales just a tad? A great result against a poor Russia team who dared to come out their own half, does not make them the tournament favourites.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Serious question do you think England have been that much better than Russia?
My point is England have been poor and wales played different against them than they did in their other games
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not a chance. Wales played like an allardyce team against fergies utd.
Same wakes in other matches played with more freedom. TBH I couldn't believe the way they played against england after the hype. Was expecting a thrashing for england.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So suddenly we're as bad as Russia are?
You don't think you're overrating Wales just a tad? A great result against a poor Russia team who dared to come out their own half, does not make them the tournament favourites.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Serious question do you think England have been that much better than Russia?
My point is England have been poor and wales played different against them than they did in their other games
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your point is absolutely stupid.
posted on 21/6/16
If Wales went into their shell against England it's because England made them go into their shells. And yet you act like England are as bad as Russia.
Wow
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Robb Hodgson (U20351)
posted 12 minutes ago
England are better than Wales 99 times out of 100.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Robb I am speaking of just these games so far. I am not saying Wales are suddenly in with a chance to win the euros.
What I am saying is the way wales played against england was different to how they have played other games so far. They simply looked frightened
Again my main point is I don't see the positives I have been reading. England have been poor and underwhelming so far and I see them getting into the knock out phases as a chance to get their act together or lose
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Robb Hodgson (U20351)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redd Foxx (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Have tbh and say Wales bottled it against England for whatever reason and played "scared" if they hadn't Wales would have hammered England IMO.
England need to sort themselves out because I really don't see the positives some are highlighting, they have been poor
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They would not be hammered by Wales. If they had been more open it probably would have gone more in England's favour if anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not a chance. Wales played like an allardyce team against fergies utd.
Same wakes in other matches played with more freedom. TBH I couldn't believe the way they played against england after the hype. Was expecting a thrashing for england.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So suddenly we're as bad as Russia are?
You don't think you're overrating Wales just a tad? A great result against a poor Russia team who dared to come out their own half, does not make them the tournament favourites.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Serious question do you think England have been that much better than Russia?
My point is England have been poor and wales played different against them than they did in their other games
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your point is absolutely stupid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't doubt you think that tbh. But then again we are speaking about football and its not really your forte
Page 2 of 4