comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
2) Ah right it was all one player. Could the same be said about Kane last season?
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Bale would be the better comparison. Kane was good last season but Bale won us game after game, 21 goals from midfield, much like Suarez did for LFC
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Rodgers LFC career.
7th
2nd
6th
10th when sacked.
Never won anything or even made a final.
Poch also hasnt won anything but has a better record than BR and, critically, is improving Spurs season on season, competing at the top end of the most competitive league in the world......Not like BR's record which reads: crap (7th), excellent (2nd), crap (6th), crapper still (10th) & fired....now plying his trade in a tin pot one team pub league.
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But I thought "that no one really cares about finishing 2nd vs 3rd, you don't win the title"?
"but there is some evidence that suarez was a bigger factor than any individual tends to be in a season, namely that as soon as he left you went back to being mediocre"
And the season before, with Suarez, when we finished 7th?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
2) Ah right it was all one player. Could the same be said about Kane last season?
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Bale would be the better comparison. Kane was good last season but Bale won us game after game, 21 goals from midfield, much like Suarez did for LFC
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and the impact of their departures were similar, leading to the manager losing their job quite quickly.....although we never embarrassed ourselves by dropping down to 7th (or worse)
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 48 seconds ago
"but there is some evidence that suarez was a bigger factor than any individual tends to be in a season, namely that as soon as he left you went back to being mediocre"
And the season before, with Suarez, when we finished 7th?
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was when he had a good, but not stunning, season.
we can all remember the claims on here that "we'll be even better without suarez/less reliant on one man/more of a team etc", but they were all nonsense of course.
Look how much Poch transformed Spurs compared to Rodgers.
Spurs had one of the poorest defences in the league and now have one of the best. The high pressing philosophy he's brought to the club and training sessions mean we're one of the fittest teams around and barely ever get bullied anymore. The mentality has improved hugely too. We no longer capitulate when one of the big boys takes the lead against us. So much to appreciate about what Poch has done.
Poch is more like Klopp. Both far better than Rodgers.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
2) Ah right it was all one player. Could the same be said about Kane last season?
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Bale would be the better comparison. Kane was good last season but Bale won us game after game, 21 goals from midfield, much like Suarez did for LFC
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and the impact of their departures were similar, leading to the manager losing their job quite quickly.....although we never embarrassed ourselves by dropping down to 7th (or worse)
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Suarez played in midfield?
"although we never embarrassed ourselves by dropping down to 7th (or worse)"
Short memories these Spurs fans. 8th is our lowest ever finish. How about Spurs?
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
2) Ah right it was all one player. Could the same be said about Kane last season?
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Bale would be the better comparison. Kane was good last season but Bale won us game after game, 21 goals from midfield, much like Suarez did for LFC
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and the impact of their departures were similar, leading to the manager losing their job quite quickly.....although we never embarrassed ourselves by dropping down to 7th (or worse)
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Suarez played in midfield?
"although we never embarrassed ourselves by dropping down to 7th (or worse)"
Short memories these Spurs fans. 8th is our lowest ever finish. How about Spurs?
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Not saying he played midfield, just that he won game after game with his goals.
As for the positions, my reference is to the impact of losing the star player, not our finishes throughout history....post Bale we were 6th, 5th, 3rd
Pochettino is a fabulous manager.
7 years in management, hasnt won a thing.
Will probably stay at Spurs for another season or two, and leave without winning a thing.
Might be a better manager than Rodgers, who knows, but it dont really mean much, as he doesnt win stuff, so who gives a fluck.
"Look how much Poch transformed Spurs compared to Rodgers"
I wouldn't say this is true. We went from Rafa, not the most defensive but not attacking like with Rodgers, to Hodgson, less said the better, to Kenny, started us playing pass and move, to Rodgers we played the fast attacking football not too dissimilar to what we play now, to Klopp who's taken it up a notch.
Don
"Not saying he played midfield, just that he won game after game with his goals"
We scored 101 goals that season, Suarez scored 31. How many of Suarez' goals won us games, well how many times did he score the winner?
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"Look how much Poch transformed Spurs compared to Rodgers"
I wouldn't say this is true. We went from Rafa, not the most defensive but not attacking like with Rodgers, to Hodgson, less said the better, to Kenny, started us playing pass and move, to Rodgers we played the fast attacking football not too dissimilar to what we play now, to Klopp who's taken it up a notch.
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LFC under Rodgers always had a certain vulnerability to them, which resulted in them being really quite inconsistent, mainly let down by defence. They had that one brilliant season but that was the exception, the defensive issue never really went away, he tried to change it by going 3 at the back but then the goals dried up.
Spurs have for years been a soft touch...."its only Spurs" is the famous Utd quote as they routinely went out and turned us over. No longer. We are a very tight unit, defensively sound, physically tough, very hard to beat, real attacking threat. This season we have added a bit more game intelligence, variation of strategy and some mental strength, possibly laerning from last years experience. The progess is year on year. Compared to Rodgers who (as shown above) was in year 1, 3 and 4 pretty average with continuous defensive problems
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don
"Not saying he played midfield, just that he won game after game with his goals"
We scored 101 goals that season, Suarez scored 31. How many of Suarez' goals won us games, well how many times did he score the winner?
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you're replying to the wrong person...but surely you'd admit that suarez's influence went beyond simply the goals that he himself scored? that he helped the whole team/the other players to play better, in a way that henderson/sterling/sturridge etc don't do?
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
Don
"Not saying he played midfield, just that he won game after game with his goals"
We scored 101 goals that season, Suarez scored 31. How many of Suarez' goals won us games, well how many times did he score the winner?
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look at the facts. Take an inform world class Suarez out of your team and look what happened....you come 6th with half the amount of goals scored. Suarez' contribution was goals but he was critical to the way you played, as Bale was to us
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 22 minutes ago
"but there is some evidence that suarez was a bigger factor than any individual tends to be in a season, namely that as soon as he left you went back to being mediocre"
And the season before, with Suarez, when we finished 7th?
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Love the little gems the internet throws up from time to time.
Brendan's L'pool finishing 7th with Suárez in the squad used to underline how good a manager he actually was for finishing 2nd with Suárez in the squad.
Don
That should've been to Dev not you
There's no doubting the contribution he made that season. I just think it's a lazy cliche to say our second place finish was entirely down to him. It's also used to downplay Rodgers managerial achievement in finishing 2nd.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
Don
"Not saying he played midfield, just that he won game after game with his goals"
We scored 101 goals that season, Suarez scored 31. How many of Suarez' goals won us games, well how many times did he score the winner?
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look at the facts. Take an inform world class Suarez out of your team and look what happened....you come 6th with half the amount of goals scored. Suarez' contribution was goals but he was critical to the way you played, as Bale was to us
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As I said to Don yep no doubting the influence he had. Putting it all on him though isn't right.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 19 seconds ago
Don
That should've been to Dev not you
There's no doubting the contribution he made that season. I just think it's a lazy cliche to say our second place finish was entirely down to him. It's also used to downplay Rodgers managerial achievement in finishing 2nd.
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i do agree with that, i think my original point was something like "it's not entirely clear how much was due to the manager vs the player".
but we all love our lazy cliches, thinking up new points of view all the time is just so much hard work.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 19 seconds ago
Don
That should've been to Dev not you
There's no doubting the contribution he made that season. I just think it's a lazy cliche to say our second place finish was entirely down to him. It's also used to downplay Rodgers managerial achievement in finishing 2nd.
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i do agree with that, i think my original point was something like "it's not entirely clear how much was due to the manager vs the player".
but we all love our lazy cliches, thinking up new points of view all the time is just so much hard work.
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The fact that he's even considered in the same breath as those guys is a joke. He will never ever come close to their quality
Only 20 and will get better. Different type of player to them really. Gerrard was a superb player and leader,Lampard a great goal scorer from his position.
Pointless comparison anyway. Would United like him in the set up,of course they would.
In terms of scoring goals he is way ahead of SG and FL at similar ages, and in their first 50 games (since increased with 4 in 2). He had over double what they had combined after their first 50 PL games.
Neither were bossing anything at 20, not sure why Alli is expected to be
Still a long way to go, but at present on track for 15-20 league goals.
The best person to compare Rodgers with is AVB because they were appointed around the same time and Spurs fans couldn't stop telling us how much better than Rodgers AVB was. By the time AVB got the sack they were waiting to push him to the airport in a shopping cart.
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comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
2) Ah right it was all one player. Could the same be said about Kane last season?
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Bale would be the better comparison. Kane was good last season but Bale won us game after game, 21 goals from midfield, much like Suarez did for LFC
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
Rodgers LFC career.
7th
2nd
6th
10th when sacked.
Never won anything or even made a final.
Poch also hasnt won anything but has a better record than BR and, critically, is improving Spurs season on season, competing at the top end of the most competitive league in the world......Not like BR's record which reads: crap (7th), excellent (2nd), crap (6th), crapper still (10th) & fired....now plying his trade in a tin pot one team pub league.
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But I thought "that no one really cares about finishing 2nd vs 3rd, you don't win the title"?
posted on 5/1/17
"but there is some evidence that suarez was a bigger factor than any individual tends to be in a season, namely that as soon as he left you went back to being mediocre"
And the season before, with Suarez, when we finished 7th?
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
2) Ah right it was all one player. Could the same be said about Kane last season?
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Bale would be the better comparison. Kane was good last season but Bale won us game after game, 21 goals from midfield, much like Suarez did for LFC
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and the impact of their departures were similar, leading to the manager losing their job quite quickly.....although we never embarrassed ourselves by dropping down to 7th (or worse)
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 48 seconds ago
"but there is some evidence that suarez was a bigger factor than any individual tends to be in a season, namely that as soon as he left you went back to being mediocre"
And the season before, with Suarez, when we finished 7th?
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was when he had a good, but not stunning, season.
we can all remember the claims on here that "we'll be even better without suarez/less reliant on one man/more of a team etc", but they were all nonsense of course.
posted on 5/1/17
Look how much Poch transformed Spurs compared to Rodgers.
Spurs had one of the poorest defences in the league and now have one of the best. The high pressing philosophy he's brought to the club and training sessions mean we're one of the fittest teams around and barely ever get bullied anymore. The mentality has improved hugely too. We no longer capitulate when one of the big boys takes the lead against us. So much to appreciate about what Poch has done.
Poch is more like Klopp. Both far better than Rodgers.
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
2) Ah right it was all one player. Could the same be said about Kane last season?
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Bale would be the better comparison. Kane was good last season but Bale won us game after game, 21 goals from midfield, much like Suarez did for LFC
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and the impact of their departures were similar, leading to the manager losing their job quite quickly.....although we never embarrassed ourselves by dropping down to 7th (or worse)
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Suarez played in midfield?
"although we never embarrassed ourselves by dropping down to 7th (or worse)"
Short memories these Spurs fans. 8th is our lowest ever finish. How about Spurs?
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 second ago
2) Ah right it was all one player. Could the same be said about Kane last season?
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Bale would be the better comparison. Kane was good last season but Bale won us game after game, 21 goals from midfield, much like Suarez did for LFC
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and the impact of their departures were similar, leading to the manager losing their job quite quickly.....although we never embarrassed ourselves by dropping down to 7th (or worse)
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Suarez played in midfield?
"although we never embarrassed ourselves by dropping down to 7th (or worse)"
Short memories these Spurs fans. 8th is our lowest ever finish. How about Spurs?
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Not saying he played midfield, just that he won game after game with his goals.
As for the positions, my reference is to the impact of losing the star player, not our finishes throughout history....post Bale we were 6th, 5th, 3rd
posted on 5/1/17
Pochettino is a fabulous manager.
7 years in management, hasnt won a thing.
Will probably stay at Spurs for another season or two, and leave without winning a thing.
Might be a better manager than Rodgers, who knows, but it dont really mean much, as he doesnt win stuff, so who gives a fluck.
posted on 5/1/17
"Look how much Poch transformed Spurs compared to Rodgers"
I wouldn't say this is true. We went from Rafa, not the most defensive but not attacking like with Rodgers, to Hodgson, less said the better, to Kenny, started us playing pass and move, to Rodgers we played the fast attacking football not too dissimilar to what we play now, to Klopp who's taken it up a notch.
posted on 5/1/17
Don
"Not saying he played midfield, just that he won game after game with his goals"
We scored 101 goals that season, Suarez scored 31. How many of Suarez' goals won us games, well how many times did he score the winner?
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"Look how much Poch transformed Spurs compared to Rodgers"
I wouldn't say this is true. We went from Rafa, not the most defensive but not attacking like with Rodgers, to Hodgson, less said the better, to Kenny, started us playing pass and move, to Rodgers we played the fast attacking football not too dissimilar to what we play now, to Klopp who's taken it up a notch.
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LFC under Rodgers always had a certain vulnerability to them, which resulted in them being really quite inconsistent, mainly let down by defence. They had that one brilliant season but that was the exception, the defensive issue never really went away, he tried to change it by going 3 at the back but then the goals dried up.
Spurs have for years been a soft touch...."its only Spurs" is the famous Utd quote as they routinely went out and turned us over. No longer. We are a very tight unit, defensively sound, physically tough, very hard to beat, real attacking threat. This season we have added a bit more game intelligence, variation of strategy and some mental strength, possibly laerning from last years experience. The progess is year on year. Compared to Rodgers who (as shown above) was in year 1, 3 and 4 pretty average with continuous defensive problems
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don
"Not saying he played midfield, just that he won game after game with his goals"
We scored 101 goals that season, Suarez scored 31. How many of Suarez' goals won us games, well how many times did he score the winner?
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you're replying to the wrong person...but surely you'd admit that suarez's influence went beyond simply the goals that he himself scored? that he helped the whole team/the other players to play better, in a way that henderson/sterling/sturridge etc don't do?
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
Don
"Not saying he played midfield, just that he won game after game with his goals"
We scored 101 goals that season, Suarez scored 31. How many of Suarez' goals won us games, well how many times did he score the winner?
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look at the facts. Take an inform world class Suarez out of your team and look what happened....you come 6th with half the amount of goals scored. Suarez' contribution was goals but he was critical to the way you played, as Bale was to us
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 22 minutes ago
"but there is some evidence that suarez was a bigger factor than any individual tends to be in a season, namely that as soon as he left you went back to being mediocre"
And the season before, with Suarez, when we finished 7th?
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Love the little gems the internet throws up from time to time.
Brendan's L'pool finishing 7th with Suárez in the squad used to underline how good a manager he actually was for finishing 2nd with Suárez in the squad.
posted on 5/1/17
Don
That should've been to Dev not you
There's no doubting the contribution he made that season. I just think it's a lazy cliche to say our second place finish was entirely down to him. It's also used to downplay Rodgers managerial achievement in finishing 2nd.
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
Don
"Not saying he played midfield, just that he won game after game with his goals"
We scored 101 goals that season, Suarez scored 31. How many of Suarez' goals won us games, well how many times did he score the winner?
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look at the facts. Take an inform world class Suarez out of your team and look what happened....you come 6th with half the amount of goals scored. Suarez' contribution was goals but he was critical to the way you played, as Bale was to us
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As I said to Don yep no doubting the influence he had. Putting it all on him though isn't right.
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 19 seconds ago
Don
That should've been to Dev not you
There's no doubting the contribution he made that season. I just think it's a lazy cliche to say our second place finish was entirely down to him. It's also used to downplay Rodgers managerial achievement in finishing 2nd.
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i do agree with that, i think my original point was something like "it's not entirely clear how much was due to the manager vs the player".
but we all love our lazy cliches, thinking up new points of view all the time is just so much hard work.
posted on 5/1/17
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 19 seconds ago
Don
That should've been to Dev not you
There's no doubting the contribution he made that season. I just think it's a lazy cliche to say our second place finish was entirely down to him. It's also used to downplay Rodgers managerial achievement in finishing 2nd.
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i do agree with that, i think my original point was something like "it's not entirely clear how much was due to the manager vs the player".
but we all love our lazy cliches, thinking up new points of view all the time is just so much hard work.
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posted on 5/1/17
The fact that he's even considered in the same breath as those guys is a joke. He will never ever come close to their quality
posted on 5/1/17
Only 20 and will get better. Different type of player to them really. Gerrard was a superb player and leader,Lampard a great goal scorer from his position.
Pointless comparison anyway. Would United like him in the set up,of course they would.
posted on 5/1/17
In terms of scoring goals he is way ahead of SG and FL at similar ages, and in their first 50 games (since increased with 4 in 2). He had over double what they had combined after their first 50 PL games.
Neither were bossing anything at 20, not sure why Alli is expected to be
Still a long way to go, but at present on track for 15-20 league goals.
posted on 6/1/17
The best person to compare Rodgers with is AVB because they were appointed around the same time and Spurs fans couldn't stop telling us how much better than Rodgers AVB was. By the time AVB got the sack they were waiting to push him to the airport in a shopping cart.
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