comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 25 minutes ago
Nah Pawl only talks about Starmer
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He's the leader of this country and therefore should be comfortably the most debated person on here.
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So why have you talked about him a lot less since he became PM
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Headshot

There is literally nothing stopping the likes of Pawl, Sat Nav, NPE, Oscar, Clap, SWTN etc having a discussion with each other on here.

They all come on here to 'own the libs' and are straight away combative. Then they get all upset when people disagree with them, hem themselves down in a oneupsmanship debate, throw a tantrum when it doesnt go well and then run off to another thread to moan about it.

Fact is, they like pretending they are an oppressed majority rather than actually being interested in discussions.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Dr Mamba Luther King (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
How much would it cost to offshore 50,000 people per year? How many billions per year would be sent on that? You're literally better off giving them a job and making them pay taxes.
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We don’t have 50,000 unskilled jobs a year available
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There are approx 1.5m cleaners in this country alone. Most jobs are unskilled.

Training in this country, and in fact education as a whole, I’d prohibitively expensive.

There is a national shortage in a number of skills jobs.

We don’t have nearly enough Class 1 HGV drivers for example. This role now pays circa £80k a year so you have to ask why.

It’s because the training is £2k.

We have a national shortage of civil and structural engineers. Why? Because it costs over £50k to be put through University.

I could go on and on about this, because it’s a bit of a national disgrace that no-one talks about.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Dr Mamba Luther King (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
How much would it cost to offshore 50,000 people per year? How many billions per year would be sent on that? You're literally better off giving them a job and making them pay taxes.
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We don’t have 50,000 unskilled jobs a year available
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There are approx 1.5m cleaners in this country alone.Most jobs are unskilled.
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I think he means there aren’t 50,000 unskilled vacancies in the country.

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 3 minutes ago
Oh FFS
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What? What just happened?
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Not interested in him coming on here claiming he wants proper debate when he was bragging about winding everyone up on another thread yesterday

He can have a week off

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Dr Mamba Luther King (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
How much would it cost to offshore 50,000 people per year? How many billions per year would be sent on that? You're literally better off giving them a job and making them pay taxes.
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We don’t have 50,000 unskilled jobs a year available
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There are approx 1.5m cleaners in this country alone.Most jobs are unskilled.
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I think he means there aren’t 50,000 unskilled vacancies in the country.
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There are far more. Cleaners tend to be older demographic and they retire/quit motsly not replaced. Its not a vocation that is attractive to the indengious population. There are always vacanacies in unskilled sectors. Social care for example is teetering because of a lack of workers.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 8 minutes ago
Trump has posted an AI video of 'Trump Gaza' to Truth Social.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ForUnitedStates/s/B80odA6x0k
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Yeah that's grim
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But also amazing
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My favourite bit is the bearded trans belly dancers. I wonder what the MAGA movement make of Trump's pro trans stance on this.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Dr Mamba Luther King (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
How much would it cost to offshore 50,000 people per year? How many billions per year would be sent on that? You're literally better off giving them a job and making them pay taxes.
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We don’t have 50,000 unskilled jobs a year available
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There are approx 1.5m cleaners in this country alone.Most jobs are unskilled.
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I think he means there aren’t 50,000 unskilled vacancies in the country.
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There are far more. Cleaners tend to be older demographic and they retire/quit motsly not replaced. Its not a vocation that is attractive to the indengious population. There are always vacanacies in unskilled sectors. Social care for example is teetering because of a lack of workers.
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Very little of this is true

comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
Training in this country, and in fact education as a whole, I’d prohibitively expensive.

There is a national shortage in a number of skills jobs.

We don’t have nearly enough Class 1 HGV drivers for example. This role now pays circa £80k a year so you have to ask why.

It’s because the training is £2k.

We have a national shortage of civil and structural engineers. Why? Because it costs over £50k to be put through University.

I could go on and on about this, because it’s a bit of a national disgrace that no-one talks about.
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Indeed.

The ending of apprenticeships was a significant factor in this along with the drive to have practically everyone given the “opportunity” to further education. The rise in the varying degrees which are effectively useless when it comes to preparing for life and learning real skills that the country actually needs.

Add to that the ease of mobility in more recent times which means investment in real training and the passing on of skills isn’t as justifiable when those trainees can up sticks and leaves] ode a few dollars more. I do believe it is now illegal to reviver the cost of training should an apprentice not “serve his time”.

Furthermore, the lack of real affordable house building means that those tradespeople are a rarity and in high demand now but it will take 3-5 years of concerted effort just to plug the gaps coming up through retirement and the like.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Dr Mamba Luther King (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
How much would it cost to offshore 50,000 people per year? How many billions per year would be sent on that? You're literally better off giving them a job and making them pay taxes.
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We don’t have 50,000 unskilled jobs a year available
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There are approx 1.5m cleaners in this country alone.Most jobs are unskilled.
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I think he means there aren’t 50,000 unskilled vacancies in the country.
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There are far more. Cleaners tend to be older demographic and they retire/quit motsly not replaced. Its not a vocation that is attractive to the indengious population. There are always vacanacies in unskilled sectors. Social care for example is teetering because of a lack of workers.
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Sorry but research indicates that is just not the case.

And as for social care vacancies I believe pay is the barrier to those jobs being unfilled. And that’s before the increasing cost arrive through ENIC.

Ginger;

Hold onto your hat here, but I’m going to give the stories credit for something. Their push on apprenticeships was by far and away the best thing they ever did. It was an excellent push and engagement on both candidates and employers.

You could argue about the pro and cons of the levy, which has put a certain amount of pressure on employers, but as a whole is was an excellent part of legislation that had demonstrable and immediate benefits.

Tories not stories

Even my phone doesn’t like typing it

comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Dr Mamba Luther King (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
How much would it cost to offshore 50,000 people per year? How many billions per year would be sent on that? You're literally better off giving them a job and making them pay taxes.
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We don’t have 50,000 unskilled jobs a year available
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There are approx 1.5m cleaners in this country alone.Most jobs are unskilled.
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I think he means there aren’t 50,000 unskilled vacancies in the country.
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There are far more. Cleaners tend to be older demographic and they retire/quit motsly not replaced. Its not a vocation that is attractive to the indengious population. There are always vacanacies in unskilled sectors. Social care for example is teetering because of a lack of workers.
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Very little of this is true
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https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-industries-worker-shortages-why-cleaning-staff-hgv-drivers-2364377

"Severe staff shortages have been afflicting the cleaning, hygiene and waste industry since 2020, according to the British Cleaning Council (BCC). Its latest survey found 225,000 cleaning and hygiene vacancies."

Luigi Magione's lawyer has filed a motion for unlawfully obtained evidence. Apparently the police didn't read him his rights when they first detained him and they took his backpack out of sight to unpack and repack it. They then didn't claim to find the evidence in the backpack until at the station.

If this motion passes, all the evidence the police found will be inadmissible.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’... (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
Training in this country, and in fact education as a whole, I’d prohibitively expensive.

There is a national shortage in a number of skills jobs.

We don’t have nearly enough Class 1 HGV drivers for example. This role now pays circa £80k a year so you have to ask why.

It’s because the training is £2k.

We have a national shortage of civil and structural engineers. Why? Because it costs over £50k to be put through University.

I could go on and on about this, because it’s a bit of a national disgrace that no-one talks about.
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I’m in training to be a driving instructor and it’s set me back about £3k and counting so far

Jenius;

That article mentions nothing about age (because that simply isn’t true) and actually blames Brexit.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
Tories not stories

Even my phone doesn’t like typing it
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I’ll,take it nonetheless.

I started an apprenticeship programme some years back in my main business much to the shaking of certain investors heads. (No return on investment for 3 years)

Those early ones are some of our best performers by far and so very loyal I’m presenting our 3 year strategy to the City tomorrow and within that is a doubling of our regular apprentice intake. Hope it gets the nod but no reason why not.

To be honest when I started the programme, the buy in from customers and their clients (they can use it for ESG points) was rewardingly of high interest.

I’m quite proud of it as I’m sure you can tell.

comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’... (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
Training in this country, and in fact education as a whole, I’d prohibitively expensive.

There is a national shortage in a number of skills jobs.

We don’t have nearly enough Class 1 HGV drivers for example. This role now pays circa £80k a year so you have to ask why.

It’s because the training is £2k.

We have a national shortage of civil and structural engineers. Why? Because it costs over £50k to be put through University.

I could go on and on about this, because it’s a bit of a national disgrace that no-one talks about.
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I’m in training to be a driving instructor and it’s set me back about £3k and counting so far
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We pay all training costs including university fees which the latest addition to the business costing over £22k over 4 years and 2 days a week studying. Then there are her wages and the like. It’s just the cost these days but imo well worth it.

I’m going to double down on this actually. They also implemented that you either had to be in employment or education at 16.

This was a move that has to a great degree worked, and again is linked to apprenticeships.

Where they have failed is in funding the unemployed not just through benefits, but also training.

Traineeships worked, but they scrapped them due to cost… incredibly short sighted.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’t like woke (U6374)
posted 2 seconds ago
Jenius;

That article mentions nothing about age (because that simply isn’t true) and actually blames Brexit.
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Cleaning jobs tend to be older women working part time. I don't have time at the moment to dig up national statistics for you. It is not a 'career'.

However, my point was concerning unskilled labour shortages in general, which the article very aptly describes. I wasn't really discussing the reason for it, but sure, brexit is a very big contributory factor.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
Tories not stories

Even my phone doesn’t like typing it
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I’ll,take it nonetheless.

I started an apprenticeship programme some years back in my main business much to the shaking of certain investors heads. (No return on investment for 3 years)

Those early ones are some of our best performers by far and so very loyal I’m presenting our 3 year strategy to the City tomorrow and within that is a doubling of our regular apprentice intake. Hope it gets the nod but no reason why not.

To be honest when I started the programme, the buy in from customers and their clients (they can use it for ESG points) was rewardingly of high interest.

I’m quite proud of it as I’m sure you can tell.
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Very good, see you in the Ned for elevenses

comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’... (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m going to double down on this actually. They also implemented that you either had to be in employment or education at 16.

This was a move that has to a great degree worked, and again is linked to apprenticeships.

Where they have failed is in funding the unemployed not just through benefits, but also training.

Traineeships worked, but they scrapped them due to cost… incredibly short sighted.
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Massively so.

To obtain apprenticeship funding, the opportunity is so restrictive to certain roles and/or functions and is a measly £2-4k at best. It’s pathetic and makes no sense when compared with paying someone not to have that opportunity.

That money comes nowhere near the cost of an apprenticeship and doesn’t even touch the sides of their salary requirements, to the point I can’t be rsed having our training manager understate the laborious paperwork to firstly obtain the money and even less to sit in regular meetings with absolute clowns who know sweet Phanny Adams about our industry.

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I call everything I don’... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
Tories not stories

Even my phone doesn’t like typing it
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I’ll,take it nonetheless.

I started an apprenticeship programme some years back in my main business much to the shaking of certain investors heads. (No return on investment for 3 years)

Those early ones are some of our best performers by far and so very loyal I’m presenting our 3 year strategy to the City tomorrow and within that is a doubling of our regular apprentice intake. Hope it gets the nod but no reason why not.

To be honest when I started the programme, the buy in from customers and their clients (they can use it for ESG points) was rewardingly of high interest.

I’m quite proud of it as I’m sure you can tell.
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Very good, see you in the Ned for elevenses
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Great venue. Went there for a pre Xmas treat with the good lady and a couple of my biggest customers.

Some bill though