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posted on 12/5/19

Ole and beyond
by manusince52 (U9692) 1 January 2019
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I watched all Ole's goals for us on YouTube recently, he was better than I remember, a great striker. He is a nice bloke and intelligent with it. And what a start he has made.
But, like Robb I have reservations, why? simple really, it's because he doesn't have a record to prove he can do it.

So this will give the board a headache. Firing Jose and getting Ole were both the right decisions, but it only puts off the big decision.
If they get someone lined up now where does that leave Ole if he is a success. Supposing we get last four, or get to the CL final there will be a swell of opinion saying give him the job, and I will be adding my voice. Then what happens to our prenup with the man we have approached.

What I would like is for Ole to keep the momentum going, see where we finish, if it goes well, give him a twelve month contract so we can see over a longer period how he does. To keep contact with man chosen to replace him if that is possible and be up front and explain the situation.

But me wanting it doesn't make it happen. And I am not sure that is the best solution, but I can't think of a better one.

If Ole carries on as he has started he deserves his chance, but it does make a considered appointment difficult.

Anyone with a better idea ? probably loads so fire away.
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That was my view early on. He passed his audition with flying colours, so we gave him the job. So I'm going to back him until he fails, which he may not. He's ours, it's not sentimental, he's bright, wants what we want, he has a chance, give him help and time.

posted on 12/5/19

I just have massive doubts he has what it takes and really don’t understand where all this faith in him comes from

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Where are these declarations of faith? Most of what I see is open-mindedness based on a recognition that Solskjaer hasn't had a chance to demonstrate much of what he can do with the club yet.

By contrast, Robb established on day one that he's judged against OGS a priori, without awaiting such evidence. Based purely on exactly the same internet logic of "player X can't be good because he plays in a weak league".

posted on 12/5/19

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
I just have massive doubts he has what it takes and really don’t understand where all this faith in him comes from

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Where are these declarations of faith? Most of what I see is open-mindedness based on a recognition that Solskjaer hasn't had a chance to demonstrate much of what he can do with the club yet.

By contrast, Robb established on day one that he's judged against OGS a priori, without awaiting such evidence. Based purely on exactly the same internet logic of "player X can't be good because he plays in a weak league".
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Not really internet logic. Just logic full stop. We were in need of something better than came before and we went for a guy who wouldn’t have been in anyone’s top 20 choices before his name came into the equation.

And while people are falling over themselves to give him a get out of jail free card for this season and only really judge him on next some of us have been looking for signs as to what might change next season and those signs have been few and far between.

posted on 12/5/19

Has Ole done a bad job? I think it’s a bit harsh, aren’t you 3rd in the table for expected throw ins?

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posted on 12/5/19

Point is robb you were against him right from the start or from the time he started looking like he might be in the frame for the job

posted on 12/5/19

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 36 seconds ago
Point is robb you were against him right from the start or from the time he started looking like he might be in the frame for the job
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‘Against him’ makes it sound like I dislike the guy or want him to fail which is ridiculous. I just looked at the appointment and based on logic I didn’t think it would be a good appointment. And as I look back on the appointment so far I think it’s not exactly a bad call and I’m sure if we woke up to news Ole had been sacked and Poch was taking over it wouldn’t exactly be the worst news for many people on here.

posted on 12/5/19

The problem is, Rob, that while your concerns are valid and there is fair reason for criticism, you dismiss any mitigating circumstances out of hand because you’ve already set your stall out, so it’s kind of futile discussing the issue with you.

I know the game you’re playing as it’s quite transparent. Just thought I’d make it clear for you.

posted on 12/5/19

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
I just have massive doubts he has what it takes and really don’t understand where all this faith in him comes from

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Where are these declarations of faith? Most of what I see is open-mindedness based on a recognition that Solskjaer hasn't had a chance to demonstrate much of what he can do with the club yet.

By contrast, Robb established on day one that he's judged against OGS a priori, without awaiting such evidence. Based purely on exactly the same internet logic of "player X can't be good because he plays in a weak league".
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Not really internet logic. Just logic full stop. We were in need of something better than came before and we went for a guy who wouldn’t have been in anyone’s top 20 choices before his name came into the equation.

And while people are falling over themselves to give him a get out of jail free card for this season and only really judge him on next some of us have been looking for signs as to what might change next season and those signs have been few and far between.
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It's actually a very good point. Although OGS can't completely stamp his authority and style of play on his side without time and transfer windows, when klopp took over from us, within a month we were playing with higher intensity and players roles were already being molded. Now, it's taken 4 years and backing in the transfer market to get to two CL finals in a row but there has always been a clear direction.
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I look at Leicester under Rodgers and see a major change there already. I would even go out on a limb and suggest Rodgers would actually have been a better appointment for us than Ole but I doubt people on here are ready for such a radical idea like that - no matter how possibly correct I might be on that call.

posted on 12/5/19

we went for a guy who wouldn’t have been in anyone’s top 20 choices before his name came into the equation.

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And most fans are conceited when they believe they have the information or tools to interpret it well when they speculate about best qualified personnel. Was Pochettino on everyone's lists before he came to England?

posted on 12/5/19

comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 45 seconds ago
The problem is, Rob, that while your concerns are valid and there is fair reason for criticism, you dismiss any mitigating circumstances out of hand because you’ve already set your stall out, so it’s kind of futile discussing the issue with you.

I know the game you’re playing as it’s quite transparent. Just thought I’d make it clear for you.
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Whatever game you think I’m playing, doesn’t change the fact that Ole is in charge of a side who’ve won twice in 11 games, have taken less points in our last 6 games than Cardiff and are actually getting worse each week.

I have no impact on that at all even though I’m certain some people on here think I’m to blame for our poor form.

posted on 12/5/19

comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
The problem is, Rob, that while your concerns are valid and there is fair reason for criticism, you dismiss any mitigating circumstances out of hand because you’ve already set your stall out, so it’s kind of futile discussing the issue with you.

I know the game you’re playing as it’s quite transparent. Just thought I’d make it clear for you.
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Basically this

posted on 12/5/19

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 10 seconds ago
we went for a guy who wouldn’t have been in anyone’s top 20 choices before his name came into the equation.

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And most fans are conceited when they believe they have the information or tools to interpret it well when they speculate about best qualified personnel. Was Pochettino on everyone's lists before he came to England?
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Moot point because Poch didn’t go straight into a top role before he went to Spurs

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Indeed, but that’s not relevant to my point.

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No against him just means against him getting the job nowhere did I infer you disliked him or wanted him to fail.

But you had your heart set on poch despite there being nothing to indicate him wanting the job. Your initial narrative was against ole getting the job but you then started to change your mind when oles run continued culminating in the PSG game. Obviously you reverted back to your original stance given the form of the last couple of months

posted on 12/5/19

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 10 seconds ago
we went for a guy who wouldn’t have been in anyone’s top 20 choices before his name came into the equation.

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And most fans are conceited when they believe they have the information or tools to interpret it well when they speculate about best qualified personnel. Was Pochettino on everyone's lists before he came to England?
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Moot point because Poch didn’t go straight into a top role before he went to Spurs
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But that only indicates there is risk involved in an unproven manager. Pochettino had his innate qualities at Espanyol. Unproven managers can be gems. You decided that Solskjaer isn't a gem before you had evidence, and since then have jumped joyfully at every opportunity to point out any hint that you might have called it right.

posted on 12/5/19

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 10 seconds ago
we went for a guy who wouldn’t have been in anyone’s top 20 choices before his name came into the equation.

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And most fans are conceited when they believe they have the information or tools to interpret it well when they speculate about best qualified personnel. Was Pochettino on everyone's lists before he came to England?
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Moot point because Poch didn’t go straight into a top role before he went to Spurs
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But that only indicates there is risk involved in an unproven manager. Pochettino had his innate qualities at Espanyol. Unproven managers can be gems. You decided that Solskjaer isn't a gem before you had evidence, and since then have jumped joyfully at every opportunity to point out any hint that you might have called it right.
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Who? Rob? Doesn't sound like something Rob would do.

posted on 12/5/19

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 10 seconds ago
we went for a guy who wouldn’t have been in anyone’s top 20 choices before his name came into the equation.

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And most fans are conceited when they believe they have the information or tools to interpret it well when they speculate about best qualified personnel. Was Pochettino on everyone's lists before he came to England?
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Moot point because Poch didn’t go straight into a top role before he went to Spurs
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But that only indicates there is risk involved in an unproven manager. Pochettino had his innate qualities at Espanyol. Unproven managers can be gems. You decided that Solskjaer isn't a gem before you had evidence, and since then have jumped joyfully at every opportunity to point out any hint that you might have called it right.
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‘Joyfully’? Cmon Russian, you’re smarter than that - smarter than to think this is personal.

And yes, there are risks in unproven managers. We are Manchester United and the job is absolutely massive and what needs doing is the work of a top manager who has a clear plan and ideally a clear history of building something special. Just because a couple of proven managers have failed here in recent years it would seem people haven’t got the stomach to keep having faith in proven managers even though they’re best qualified to oversee what needs to be done.

I love Manchester United - I take absolutely no glee in potentially being right about Ole. But each week it becomes more clear that he’s out of his depth. It would seem every opposition fan on here can see it. I get called the guy making emotional statements but I think a lot of the United fans on here are letting sentimentality cloud their judgment and are the ones being contrarian in the face of overwhelming logic.

posted on 12/5/19

We are Manchester United and the job is absolutely massive and what needs doing is the work of a top manager who has a clear plan and ideally a clear history of building something special.
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Such as?

posted on 12/5/19

Never has the word 'logic' been so terribly butchered in the last few days.

Bring back Stretty.

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And while people are falling over themselves to give him a get out of jail free card for this season and only really judge him on next some of us have been looking for signs as to what might change next season and those signs have been few and far between.
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This from you robb I think after the PSG game

"How are people feeling now about Ole getting the job? I did doubt the guy but I have to admit, he has surpassed a lot of my expectations"

posted on 12/5/19

comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 37 seconds ago
We are Manchester United and the job is absolutely massive and what needs doing is the work of a top manager who has a clear plan and ideally a clear history of building something special.
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Such as?
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Right now if not Poch I’d imagine Simeone is better qualified to oversee the job at United than Ole. Ticks a lot of boxes and while the football ain’t great, I don’t think it will matter if a competent team is being built.

Even if someone amazingly special isn’t an obvious choice there are countless more qualified managers than Ole out there to do what needs to be done. Even someone like Marcelino out here who is doing a great job.

posted on 12/5/19

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 34 seconds ago

And while people are falling over themselves to give him a get out of jail free card for this season and only really judge him on next some of us have been looking for signs as to what might change next season and those signs have been few and far between.
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This from you robb I think after the PSG game

"How are people feeling now about Ole getting the job? I did doubt the guy but I have to admit, he has surpassed a lot of my expectations"


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As was said earlier, it was an emotional night and not a time for emotional decisions to be made by the decision makers at the top. As we’ve seen since - relegation form

posted on 12/5/19

Yeah and before that it was Championship winning form.

posted on 12/5/19

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
Never has the word 'logic' been so terribly butchered in the last few days.

Bring back Stretty.
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Bless. The only argument you had is that list of tough games we played in a short space of time. Please add two relegated sides to that list of no wins. Any more excuses babes?

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